SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)

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The only conspiracy theory I have regarding the lableak is that it relates to optogenetics which is indeed about as conspiratorial as it gets but I don't see why else you'd be messing around with adenoviruses (or SARSs, which is not an adenovirus but in optogenetic terms, isn't a million miles away (kind of stuff they test on rats to then see if blue light/green light signals work)). It's all very cloak and dagger but I'd like to see a report on the state of Chinese optogenetics as of 2019. Could be complete nonsense but using an inhalation device rather than direct injection to the bloodstream (in rats) has been done, is being done, etc., and if you're talking about serious credibility of lableaks, then it's not out of range to consider what the feck biological warfare type labratories are doing the first place. Other than that, I've always, too, optogenetics aside, (niche enough), considered this was a human made virus that spilled into the public domain.

What's the wave situation like now? I was infected a year or so ago for the last time. A nasty bastard of an infection despite innoculation.
 
neverdie said:
The only conspiracy theory I have regarding the lableak is that it relates to optogenetics which is indeed about as conspiratorial as it gets but I don't see why else you'd be messing around with adenoviruses (or SARSs, which is not an adenovirus but in optogenetic terms, isn't a million miles away (kind of stuff they test on rats to then see if blue light/green light signals work)). It's all very cloak and dagger but I'd like to see a report on the state of Chinese optogenetics as of 2019. Could be complete nonsense but using an inhalation device rather than direct injection to the bloodstream (in rats) has been done, is being done, etc., and if you're talking about serious credibility of lableaks, then it's not out of range to consider what the feck biological warfare type labratories are doing the first place. Other than that, I've always, too, optogenetics aside, (niche enough), considered this was a human made virus that spilled into the public domain.

What's the wave situation like now? I was infected a year or so ago for the last time. A nasty bastard of an infection despite innoculation.
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Adenovirus’s are the most commonly used vehicles for virus delivered gene therapy. We (scientists) have been “messing around” with these guys for decades. The rest of this post is better left unaddressed.
 
WI_Red said:
Adenovirus’s are the most commonly used vehicles for virus delivered gene therapy. We (scientists) have been “messing around” with these guys for decades. The rest of this post is better left unaddressed.
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Yes, that's the point. It's a lableak post. Entirely speculative but then the entire issue is speculative. No one knows, is the short answer, as to how the virus was released. That's why we have lableak theories competing with bat to human (or whatever) transmission. It is within the remit of biological warfare labs, and so on, to "mess around" with such things for all sorts of reasons (as you'd know) and none of them might be for gene therapy (beneficient as in your field, which, I'm assuming now, is not biological warfare).

Anyway, I think lableak. As to how/when/why/who, it'll come to be known in time. Rest of the interchange is indeed best left unaddressed. As someone who's had the virus, like most, and innoculations, like most, I do not do conspiracies (but lableak seems less conspiratorial by the week).
 
neverdie said:
Yes, that's the point. It's a lableak post. Entirely speculative but then the entire issue is speculative. No one knows, is the short answer, as to how the virus was released. That's why we have lableak theories competing with bat to human (or whatever) transmission. It is within the remit of biological warfare labs, and so on, to "mess around" with such things for all sorts of reasons (as you'd know) and none of them might be for gene therapy (beneficient as in your field, which, I'm assuming now, is not biological warfare).

Anyway, I think lableak. As to how/when/why/who, it'll come to be known in time. Rest of the interchange is indeed best left unaddressed. As someone who's had the virus, like most, and innoculations, like most, I do not do conspiracies (but lableak seems less conspiratorial by the week).
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But that’s the point, even if it was a lab leak that does not mean it was an engineered virus, much less a bio weapon. Infectious disease labs store, and analyze, hundreds of variants of any given pathogen for basic research. My lab in grad school did this with a respiratory pathogen, not from zoonotic specimens, but from patient and environmental samples. We’d receive them, culture them, and then sequence specific parts of their genome that we used for typing. We often would follow this up with genetic manipulation (insertion of an antibiotic resistance gene for example) to assist in further research. The point is that even if this was a lab leak, which I still am not convinced of, it is most likely that the virus was being studied or banked and the leak was accidental and not at all nefarious.
 
WI_Red said:
that the virus was being studied or banked and the leak was accidental and not at all nefarious.
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Not saying it was meant to be leaked, I mean it was likely nefarious, if we use that term at all, insofar as they were experimenting with it. Does anyone know Chinese protocol regarding such things? I do not believe it was intentionally released, at all, and do believe it was - if leak is true - experimentation of the precise kind you're speaking about.

Infectious disease labs store, and analyze, hundreds of variants of any given pathogen for basic research. My lab in grad school did this with a respiratory pathogen, not from zoonotic specimens, but from patient and environmental samples.
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But for whatever reason - it just leaked. Zoonotic experimentation in China, you'd know more, but I'm guessing it's relatively normal in bio-labs given the presence of Coronavirus (bat reservoires).

Anyway, not trying to get bogged down into conspiracy theories. Just do think it will be revealed as lableak in years to come very conclusively (no point speculating on it now, for my part, until it is confirmed or denied as such).

There are all kinds of reasons Chinese researchers would (were as it goes) be interested in studying strains of this virus. It's just not insane to think it leaked. I won't say it is a lableak, conclusively, becuase I cannot prove it, but it isn't impossible (and many scientists, mostly not Chinese it has to be said, think likely). Could just be news is not giving me the full scientific value, you, again, might know better (or Wibble here). I initially said it was a species barrier issue. Removal of bat habitats and then viral jump (wet-market or whatever).
 
WI_Red said:
But that’s the point, even if it was a lab leak that does not mean it was an engineered virus, much less a bio weapon. Infectious disease labs store, and analyze, hundreds of variants of any given pathogen for basic research. My lab in grad school did this with a respiratory pathogen, not from zoonotic specimens, but from patient and environmental samples. We’d receive them, culture them, and then sequence specific parts of their genome that we used for typing. We often would follow this up with genetic manipulation (insertion of an antibiotic resistance gene for example) to assist in further research. The point is that even if this was a lab leak, which I still am not convinced of, it is most likely that the virus was being studied or banked and the leak was accidental and not at all nefarious.
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I see a mistake being the most likely cause, in letting a natural virus which was studied get out. In that sense the risk is always there, as long as the studies are ongoing and loads of countries do that.

What I do see as nefarious and unconscionable is the direct lie by the Chinese Govt that they had no reason to believe it was human to human transmissible, when they had plenty of evidence that it was. Countless lives lost world wide because of that deliberate and very stupid decision.

From early January as events unfolded.
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Chinese officials say there have been no cases of the virus spreading from one person to another.
Instead they say the virus has crossed the species barrier and come from infected animals at a seafood and wildlife market in Wuhan.
Prof Ferguson argues: "People should be considering the possibility of substantial human-to-human transmission more seriously than they have so far.
"It would be unlikely in my mind, given what we know about coronaviruses, to have animal exposure, be the principal cause of such a number of human infections."

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LilyWhiteSpur said:
How did u feel? I have no headache just like a fever, hot and cold and ache all over. Also feel a few palpitations, and very hard to get to sleep.
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Slight headache, tiredness and the chills for a couple of days. Knew I had it though before I did the test as I’m rarely poorly.
 
Somewhere between interesting and no shit Sherlock. Or perhaps both simultaneously.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...care-workers-covid-transmission-rhinotillexis

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I’ve got it again, feel absolutely horrendous. I saw there’s a new variant going around, and that cases are ramping up. I went out yesterday to get a couple of covid tests and the first two pharmacies I went to had sold out of tests, I was told by both that there had been a massive increase in people buying them this week. Wondering if I picked this up at the game on Monday night.
 
El Zoido said:
I’ve got it again, feel absolutely horrendous. I saw there’s a new variant going around, and that cases are ramping up. I went out yesterday to get a couple of covid tests and the first two pharmacies I went to had sold out of tests, I was told by both that there had been a massive increase in people buying them this week. Wondering if I picked this up at the game on Monday night.
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Imagine going watching that shite and it catching covid for your troubles on top of it all! Hope you feel better soon.
 
El Zoido said:
I’ve got it again, feel absolutely horrendous. I saw there’s a new variant going around, and that cases are ramping up. I went out yesterday to get a couple of covid tests and the first two pharmacies I went to had sold out of tests, I was told by both that there had been a massive increase in people buying them this week. Wondering if I picked this up at the game on Monday night.
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I seem to catch it late August every year. Just started feeling under the weather so suspecting it's the 'vid again.
 
El Zoido said:
I’ve got it again, feel absolutely horrendous. I saw there’s a new variant going around, and that cases are ramping up. I went out yesterday to get a couple of covid tests and the first two pharmacies I went to had sold out of tests, I was told by both that there had been a massive increase in people buying them this week. Wondering if I picked this up at the game on Monday night.
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Ahh don’t tell me that, I picked up a cough in the last 2 days of my holiday and it’s just got chestier as time has gone on. I’m now on antibiotics. Didn’t take a covid test as we don’t have any left in the house
 
My mother who has cancer and is going through chemo has caught COVID. She tested positive today and she does not have a stock of the antiviral tablets. They are still prescription only and the local chemists have to order them in so the earliest she can get them apparently is Monday. I believe the hospitals have a stockpile of them but we have no means of contacting the right people there who can get these to us tomorrow. I really don't know what to do in this situation - it seems that if you are vulnerable and contract the virus on a Friday you're just left stranded for a few days.
 
I've just been told she has a temperature of 38.5. feck
 
P-Ro said:
I've just been told she has a temperature of 38.5. feck
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I know this probably won’t make you feel much better but the benefits of those antivirals are pretty marginal. Make sure she’s taking regular paracetamol to take the edge off her temperature but don’t worry too much about the fever. Main thing is to keep an eye on her breathing. If she’s not too chesty (and most covid cases these days are just bad head colds) then there’s nothing to worry about. Even though she’ll feel like crap. Did her oncology team give you an out of hours contact number?
 
Pogue Mahone said:
I know this probably won’t make you feel much better but the benefits of those antivirals are pretty marginal. Make sure she’s taking regular paracetamol to take the edge off her temperature but don’t worry too much about the fever. Main thing is to keep an eye on her breathing. If she’s not too chesty (and most covid cases these days are just bad head colds) then there’s nothing to worry about. Even though she’ll feel like crap. Did her oncology team give you an out of hours contact number?
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Okay thanks for the info. I believe we do have a contact for the Marsden and my Dad's trying to get through as we speak. She sounded wheezy when I spoke to her earlier. She's in bed and not answering her phone so I can't speak to her at the moment about her symptoms until my dad finishes his call.
 
Well wishes to your mum @P-Ro

I tested negative the other day from one of my old lateral flow tests but feel like I've been rolled over by a train. Constant exploding migraines which barely abate with tramadol+paracetamol, and a nose that runs faster than McTominay away from the ball. Can barely stand. Bought some benacort from Amazon fresh despite the ridiculous fee, which seems to have worked for a few hours but now I've woken and am a mess again. Headache less now but weird sneezing and coughing from one size of the body which obviously doesn't help the sore through. Pain in the ass whether its flu or covid or whatever.
 
New Omicron sub-variants spreading fast in Australia.

Time for me to get a booster methinks.
 
Tested positive last night :( feeling pretty rough from whatever this variant is.
 
I caught it late November, tested negative on Dec 5th but didn't really feel properly back to normal until about 21st/22nd December. Piece of shit illness.
 


What do more informed people on here make of this? Doctors or other health care professionals, or people who have witnessed these things in their environment?
 
Bastian said:


What do more informed people on here make of this? Doctors or other health care professionals, or people who have witnessed these things in their environment?
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Witnessed what? People treating randoms on the internet, like I don't know... a funeral director, as experts in areas they have no training?

The fringe antivax lunatics were always a dangerous nuisance, but the cover they were given by politicians who used the COVID vaccine as an election issue has spurred them, and their new conspiratorial conscripts, to wildly dangerous heights.

The damage done to people's faith in medical science is abominable and I fear that revolutionary strides in therapeutic and prophylactic mRNA based treatments may be stunted, if not killed.
 
Bastian said:


What do more informed people on here make of this? Doctors or other health care professionals, or people who have witnessed these things in their environment?
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That guy in the video is a total crank. An interesting case study of someone who started off well intentioned and had some relevant training but the lure of the YouTube grift took him more and more out of his depth. To the point where he was consistently talking ill informed conspiratorial bollox on topics he knew nothing about. I’ll watch this video later but it’s a safe bet it’s more of the same.
 
WI_Red said:
Witnessed what? People treating randoms on the internet, like I don't know... a funeral director, as experts in areas they have no training?

The fringe antivax lunatics were always a dangerous nuisance, but the cover they were given by politicians who used the COVID vaccine as an election issue has spurred them, and their new conspiratorial conscripts, to wildly dangerous heights.

The damage done to people's faith in medical science is abominable and I fear that revolutionary strides in therapeutic and prophylactic mRNA based treatments may be stunted, if not killed.
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Pogue Mahone said:
That guy in the video is a total crank. An interesting case study of someone who started off well intentioned and had some relevant training but the lure of the YouTube grift took him more and more out of his depth. To the point where he was consistently talking ill informed conspiratorial bollox on topics he knew nothing about. I’ll watch this video later but it’s a safe bet it’s more of the same.
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OK, I get your default position. But can you speak to the actual information. Why is there a rise in excess mortality, especially young people. Why are huge blood clots being found that weren't before? I'm just interested in people's take on that, not the messengers really.
 
Bastian said:
OK, I get your default position. But can you speak to the actual information. Why is there a rise in excess mortality, especially young people. Why are huge blood clots being found that weren't before? I'm just interested in people's take on that, not the messengers really.
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If you’re interested in learning about disease epidemiology and public health there’s a load of medical journals you can wade through. Here’s one, for starters. These are where you find legitimate research on any meaningful new morbidity or mortality trends.

What I definitely would not recommend is watching a YouTube video hosted by a known crank, in which the “expert” he’s asking about this supposed public health crisis is a fecking funeral director!
 
Pogue Mahone said:
If you’re interested in learning about disease epidemiology and public health there’s a load of medical journals you can wade through. Here’s one, for starters. These are where you find legitimate research on any meaningful new morbidity or mortality trends.

What I definitely would not recommend is watching a YouTube video hosted by a known crank, in which the “expert” he’s asking about this supposed public health crisis is a fecking funeral director!
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Amen. Cheers for the link, interesting reading.
 
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