SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)
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At around 0:40 the video tries to frame anti vax protests as people simply worried about lockdowns measures and a sign of healthy democracy.
At around 0:40 the video tries to frame anti vax protests as people simply worried about lockdowns measures and a sign of healthy democracy.
Hardly. There have been lots of protests against lockdowns. In lots of countries. Which are distinct from anti-vax protests. Lockdowns (and variants thereof) are obviously a measure that is unpopular with a significant proportion of the population.
I’m sure there are many in China who find their anti-covid measures harsh or unfair. If we’re not seeing any form of public protest at all then that doesn’t exactly speak of a free country, does it?
Rise in Covid cases in England as reinfections are included for the first time | Coronavirus
Just to make clear - that's not an extra 92,000 extra cases yesterday compared to the day before, that's yesterday's total including reinfections. A total of around 588k additional cases were added to the overall cases stat yesterday, that's pushed the pandemic total for the UK up to 14,845,382.
On a specimen date basis, you can see what that means at:
https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/cases?areaType=nation&areaName=England
Where the "Cases by episode of infection and specimen date" shows people testing positive for the first time and reinfections for each day. Omicron has seen a lot more reinfections than previous waves and around 1 in 9 positives are reinfections at present.
I certainly will. In a weird way Ive grown to kind of like it.
I have done early this morning, I walked the dog on the common behind our street for a couple of miles.
I’ve had to be careful because I can’t afford a fine and we strongly suspect our neighbour of calling the police on other neighbours (three separate houses) when they had visitors during the lockdown before Christmas 2020. His front door is right next to ours so he’d have seen the note I put on it last week warning the Tesco delivery driver that I was isolating but I’m now at the point where legally I can stop isolating if I have two negative tests (they’re not though).
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-60215200
Quite surprised that they're the first EU country to remove face masks. I know we've eased almost everything here in Ireland apart from them so maybe it's the same in a lot of other countries.
Quite surprised that they're the first EU country to remove face masks. I know we've eased almost everything here in Ireland apart from them so maybe it's the same in a lot of other countries.
As a parent of a 6 year old lad as well, they miss the social aspect. He’s not missing much educationally. Nothing you can’t do at home with him, practising his writing, reading a few short stories and talking about them
It’s easy to understand why companies might want to enforce vaccination across their staff Anecdotal I know but my employer has nearly 40 staff of which 3 are unvaccinated. All 3 of them had covid in the summer and were off for 2-4 weeks with it plus a few days here and there in the following months due to long covid (fatigue mostly).
All three are now off sick at the same time and have been for the last 8-10 days. All three, despite working remotely are not fit enough to work. In comparison those that have been vaccinated have missed 1-3 days at the most before returning to work remotely.
All three are now off sick at the same time and have been for the last 8-10 days. All three, despite working remotely are not fit enough to work. In comparison those that have been vaccinated have missed 1-3 days at the most before returning to work remotely.
How is it madness? Even if he feels ok he can pass it on to other kids and teachers if he attends school, who may not have such a good outcome and they in turn could infect others.
Do you still have to take a (pre-booked) lateral flow test on arrival in England, even if you only stay for ~24h (weekend of Feb 19)? Lots of websites with contradicting information.
Life got in the way of going for a 5 minute shot according to his partner - after a year of the shot being available. I wonder how many times he managed to find the time for a pint or to pick up a quick cup of coffee.
She said: "He's not an anti-vaxxer at all, he wanted to get the vaccine but life gets in the way and you think 'I'll do it tomorrow, do it the next day'."
Yeah, right. There's literally vaccinations in nearly every street in the country. I bet life (aka downing beers with his mates) kept getting in the way.
I suppose she had to say the not anti vax part to avoid the ensuing "he deserved it" vitriol.
Yes but where does it stop, given the risks are so minimal and most of everyday life is now almost back to normal.
People won’t care soon, most people will soon pass it off as flu/cold like, whether that be ignorant or not.
I'm intrigued on China's plan now most places are coming out of the pandemic due to vaccinations and natural infections, where do they intend to go from here from what i remember reading the chinese vaccine which has been predominately used hasn't been great since we have moved away from the original virus and the new variants.
Do they intend to keep the zero covid policy then rejab the whole nation again with a more up to date vaccine.
What was considered an excellent outcome at the beginning is now looking like a big problem.
England now looks in one of the most promising positions and lets be honest we have just made it up as we have gone along.
Do they intend to keep the zero covid policy then rejab the whole nation again with a more up to date vaccine.
What was considered an excellent outcome at the beginning is now looking like a big problem.
England now looks in one of the most promising positions and lets be honest we have just made it up as we have gone along.
It's getting to the time where we have to look at hospitalisation and fatality rates for a fully vaccinated person infected with Omicron, and compare that to traditional viruses like Influenza to see if Covid restrictions still make sense. Some governments are beginning to do that and remove their restrictions, at least for vaccinated people.
Why would keeping your kid off school when they are sick stop? Just like we did before or should have done.
And the risk is far from minimal especially for the teachers who are an aging occupation.
You don't get the equivalent to long covid in fairly large numbers with flu. We all want to go back to normal but if we were sensible that would take years and would be contingent on far higher levels of immunisation and third shots.
This gives an interesting glimpse into how things are changing. Multiple influences in there of course - including disease severity, reinfection/infection despite vaccination, boosters, behaviour patterns in different age groups etc. Broadly though, it's getting closer to flu.
I think the difference is that currently we're asking kids to stay home even when they aren't sick. Setting quarantine minimums and using infection driven testing (rather than symptomatic illness) means we aren't asking people just to keep kids off school when sick, we're keeping them off school because they might be infectious - that's not a standard we previously applied to colds or flu.
Given that we're asking people to meet a new standard it is worth asking how they get supported to do that - whether that means reminding employers of the need to facilitate home working or it means financial or other support. Which also means asking how long we plan to do that for.
You probably do. It’s just never been something anyone worried about much. Post-viral fatigue, M.E, or even just being a bit beat up for a month or two after a bad dose of flu. These have been round forever.
1st day of in-person lab teaching: 2 covid absences, 2 substitutions from other sessions who missed theirs (unknown covid status), and 1 person released from covid quarantine this morning (5 days after a positive test).
Let's hope that booster is worth something and that double masking works...
Let's hope that booster is worth something and that double masking works...
Some studies suggest you might actually but nobody ever cared before. Its also too early to know if Omicron does cause long Covid as all we know so far is the faster recovery times in normal cases.
Even if you can get long covid, what is the probability? 1 in 10 warrants restrictions on daily life. 1 in 1 million doesn't.
Are those 2022 figures cumulative over the 2 years Covid has been around, or a snapshot of a time period?
The 2022 image is essentially a snapshot of omicron (and tailend of delta) in the UK. It uses the ONS (populated balanced) measure for covid infections and the ONS death stats. They've built a lag into the case-death analysis, so we'll see further updates to the stat over the next couple of months.
The broad picture is probably fair though - at least for the UK, where most people are double or treble vaxxed and most of the others have had at least one infection.
Got my booster just now. Fully vaxxed and vexed, but the latter is chronic 
They are infectious and they are meant to stay home when infectious with other illnesses like chickenpox, measles and mumps etc. They are meant to keep kids home when potentially sick or infectious even with colds or flu but few parents do as most prioritise their inconvenience over the wellbeing of the other kids and their teachers.
With employers what new standard is required? If you are sick (and infectious is sick) stay home and stop making your fellow workers sick. That is what sick leave is for. The problem comes with the casualisation of the workforce and we idiots voted for that.
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Or parents of kids with asymptomatic/presymptomatic colds, flus, chicken pox simply don't know their kids are "sick" and infectious. Potentially infectious kids means literally every kid.
https://amp.washingtontimes.com/news/2022/jan/31/lockdowns-had-little-or-no-impact-covid-19-deaths-/
Paper: https://sites.krieger.jhu.edu/iae/f...ffects-of-Lockdowns-on-COVID-19-Mortality.pdf
What a surprise, I’ll take all your apologies now innit. And the real shitty thing, the true price of these devastating policies is still to come.
Paper: https://sites.krieger.jhu.edu/iae/f...ffects-of-Lockdowns-on-COVID-19-Mortality.pdf
What a surprise, I’ll take all your apologies now innit. And the real shitty thing, the true price of these devastating policies is still to come.
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Economists stay winning
Covid is pretty much endemic now. If we're not already at the point of no longer needing to worry about spread, it won't be long. Everyone in the UK is either vaccinated or has natural immunity or both.
But I expect a lot of people are going to take time readjusting to the old normal. Getting off the high horses they've been sat on for two years won't be easy.
But I expect a lot of people are going to take time readjusting to the old normal. Getting off the high horses they've been sat on for two years won't be easy.
Economists stay winning
Good bit of whataboutism there like.
The idea that lockdowns didn't prevent deaths is unmitigated bollocks. There are lots of countries where it worked very well, usually when they did it properly - early, hard and border restrictions included.
Half arsed or after the horse had bolted attempts, as typified by UK, Europen and US attempts less so.
Well they are only talking about the US and Europe in fairness, and my argument was always that Europe was fecked after Italy because of exactly that, the horse had bolted, and they were not a fecking island on the other side of the planet. And that the Imperial model was an utter piece of trash.
The devastating consequences of these policies were so fecking obvious from day one.
The case of Israel shines a shit load of doubt on this. Nothing was half arsed about their approach, they just once again, were not an island in the middle of an ocean. Despite being miles ahead of everyone with mass vaccination, an excess mortality of almost 90 /100,000, very much in line with many EU countries with a similar population size.
Kids exposed to siblings with chickenpox should isolate at home - somewhat obviously. Even more obviously nobody expects parents to be telepathic. There may be a time in the future where twice weekly testing of school kids isn't required (the current standard here) but until then kids isolating if testing positive or exposed to infected family members is a no brainer.
Teachers have a hard enough job for feck all money without exposing them further and unnecesary risk.
Even in Europe lockdowns still saved a huge number of lives just as anything that reduced infections did. Just nowhere near as many as could have been saved if politicians had been brave enough to take bolder decisions.
Ah, so the John Hopkins paper there is making it all up?
Bollox
Plenty of European countries took what you call brave, but I call reckless decisions.
They just weren’t an isolated country in the middle of an ocean.