Have the government there done the same as they did here and basically said not to request a test and just assume you have Covid if you're unwell?
SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)
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Pretty much. 8-39 year olds are only allowed a PCR if they have a positive LFT first.
All good ta. My experience of This variant is proving what they said… very transmissible and (generally) less severe symptoms. Fortunate only had now (this variant/triple jabbed) as opposed to start of ‘21 or even ‘20.
Started Wednesday, felt like a very bad flu and Friday/Saturday worst… did a LFT this evening and negative. Will hopefully do the same for next two then I’m free of this fecking room
(Ps. Ain’t Sweden cool place?)
I contracted covid while everyone still called it corona and the vaccine was a dream. Actually in Sweden while I was working
. Attended a presentation where no one wore a mask (except me) for 7 hours in a small room with shitty ventilation. They didn't want to hold the meeting through a computer because it was so 'boring and unpersonal'. 14 of us attended, all contracted the virus.Was in bed for a week with a mild-ish fever and later ended up in the hospital because a freak allergic reaction while infected (even though I don't have allergies). But I never experienced the real bad symptoms thankfully.
This an issue in other countries? First I’ve heard of this…
Modelling is not a tool. It's an art.
Any half decent A Level Maths student can do the statistics. The tricky bit is having the pyschological insight of the public at large.
If the modellers in the headlines have consistently shown that they're too disconnected to be able to make those judgements, they deserve to be criticised.
Any half decent A Level Maths student can do the statistics. The tricky bit is having the pyschological insight of the public at large.
If the modellers in the headlines have consistently shown that they're too disconnected to be able to make those judgements, they deserve to be criticised.
I neither confirm nor deny these allegations.It is the toll on social distancing when drinking that it often the issue
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If you’d just shared the story and asked people to guess where it was happening I suspect many people would have corrected said Florida.
Modelling is exactly like weather forecasting, and with current AI technology weather forecasts are good to about 4 days out. Beyond that it's just guessing and a significant contributor to why people think the whole thing is just guessing. When its so wrong its almost better not to do it at all.
No, most of us live in a least semi-normal places.
The normal would be that opportunist criminals take advantage of the pandemic which they do in most countries I assume.
Ah, the good old days, when 500 cases seemed like the end of the world.
The analogy sounds good, but in reality, weather forecasts are actually much much more reliable, unsurprisingly. Yet that said, the further out they attempt to predict the weather, the more and more unreliable they become. With a pandemic, guessing 2 weeks into the future is useless; put it this way, you wouldn't climb Everest on a weather forecast 6 weeks into the future, you'd only trust a very short term forecast, 1-2 days into the future, and then you'd get hourly forecasts before making any significant climb from camp to camp.
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When its a forecast for the next day, top two, then yes, its reliable. A weather forecast in 3-4 days or more are just educated guesswork.
Exactly, and the further out you go, the bigger the guesses and the more unreliable the forecast/prediction.
This thread hasn't changed in about 2 years has it, despite all the lessons learned
You will get it if someone there has it - most likley.
Unless you keep the 2 mtrs and wear a good mask
If you wear an FFP2/N95 mask you will be reasonably well protected. Needs to be fitted very well and taken on and off carefully.
That’s going to be a huge pain in the arse though. These masks are not comfortable. If you’re vaccinated, in reasonable overall health, young(ish) and in an omicron dominant area I wouldn’t bother.
Interested in your take- what is young(ish) age range?
Depends on how healthy you are. An obese, sedentary 40 year old would have more to worry about than a very fit and active 50 year old.
If you’re vaccinated, boosted and under 50 I would say omicron poses very little threat. Push that out to 60 for the very fit and healthy.
Not a great bunch of lads after all.
Fathers got a very high fever - 102f, cough and tiredness. Booked a test for tomorrow. He’s 70 years old. Oxygen levels normal. I should just wait right?
he’s had two doses of Az, second dose 9 months ago.
he’s had two doses of Az, second dose 9 months ago.
Keep monitoring the Oxy Sat level and keep some hospital options in mind.
This thread hasn't changed in about 2 years has it, despite all the lessons learned
#Oleout ?
Omicron does have some individual brilliance as a mutation tbf.
Some NYC students protested their city's dysfunctional response which is encouraging case spread. They are now in detention, in a closed space with other students.
This is interesting and goes against the slightly hysterical obsession about ventilation and HEPA filters that groups like Sage have moved on to now they’re finally admitting defeat over zero covid.
Omicron is very infectious but apparently loses 90% of its ability to infect within 5 mins in the air. So distancing and masks are even more important than ever.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...ty-to-infect-within-five-minutes-in-air-study Edit: just noticed that Pogue on line linked to this article in the post above.
I've also switched from cloth/surgical masks to P2 ones as it looks like they give far better protection in both directions.
https://www.theguardian.com/austral...ian-guide-to-face-masks-in-the-age-of-omicron
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...ty-to-infect-within-five-minutes-in-air-study Edit: just noticed that Pogue on line linked to this article in the post above.
I've also switched from cloth/surgical masks to P2 ones as it looks like they give far better protection in both directions.
https://www.theguardian.com/austral...ian-guide-to-face-masks-in-the-age-of-omicron
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The beginning of the end of omicron? It has to be said, apart from the delayed initial lockdown history will show that the UK got most of the big calls about restrictions more or less spot on. Not to say that what worked for them would have worked everywhere else but they certainly got more criticism (including from me!) than they deserved, after navigating recent waves pretty well.
Yeah I think its hard to look past the delta wave legacy which was devastating. And the tiered system too. Plus wider questions around government behavious in that time, strain on health services in a non-covid context too etc. But that's more public perception and I think its hard to quantify the exact barometers of doing "well" during this pandemic.
But mostly focus on vaccine drives - both procurement and delivery - I think with a bit of luck surrounding omicron, population immunity, possibly extended intervals between the mRNAs in terms of immunity wanes helped massively.
We're not ones for the precautionary principle thats for sure. I think in the aftermath though we'll probably judge countries on balances of mortality, morbidity vs economic damage sustained and there's this axiomatic belief surrounding the countries being on the zero-covid end of spectrum/philosophy sustaining more economic damage, which I think is true for some but not all maybe. And also economic damage suffered by ourself and the States for example despite being a bit more lax than say Australia, New Zealand in addition to the deaths maybe muddies the waters legacy-wise
Yeah, it’s going to be extremely complicated unpicking all the details about who did “best”. Especially with each country being unique in lots of important and relevant ways. My main point is that the UK seems to have done better than most at maintaining relative normality for the (wo)man on the street while also avoiding the health service getting overwhelmed. And as someone who incorrectly predicted that this wasn’t possible (with delta, anyway) I have to hold my hand up.
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I know Tories are beating boys and so they should be, the cnuts, but is it fair to say they have sort of followed medical advice nearly all the way through? Obviously with their economical impact hat on?
They went for forced herd immunity during alpha stage and got it horribly wrong, but tried to keep the medical experts on side and this thing was new for everybody. It didn't work so they held the experts even closer, going greedily full in for a variety of vaccines. They learned some lessons and tried to get on top of delta. Finally, they continued listening-ish to the experts and chanced their hand that Omicron was perfect for herd immunity - their holy grail.
I just don't see how that can be said.
- Most cases in Europe - https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries
- Most deaths in Europe - https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries
Yet:
- One of the youngest populations in Europe - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_median_age
- One of the lowest percentages of OAPs in Europe - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_age_structure
And:
- Slowest recovery from Covid in the G7 - https://edition.cnn.com/2021/11/11/business/uk-gdp-growth-g7/index.html
They did keep restrictions light touch, despite a lot of flip flopping, but compared to the other major nations there were more cases, more deaths, and at the end it hasn't paid off with a lighter economic impact. I don't see how that can be considered successful.
Welcome to the dark side
I have a lot of complaints about the 2020 approach and complained a lot - mostly about things I still moan about, from taking action too late, to pointless travel restrictions, to poor sick pay etc. The tiers were ill conceived and more or less irrelevant - as demonstrated when London was reopened just as Alpha was kicking off and cases were rising.
On the broad approach in 2021, I didn't see much wrong with it. Life does have to go on, even for school kids and young adults. It's an ugly truth but once we put all the eggs in the (extremely effective) vaccine basket, we basically define a level of deaths and hospitalisations that was deemed acceptable to society, despite being agony for the people involved.
We could have waited for better antivirals - now expected mid 2022 in useful quantity, but still anyone's guess when Delta hit. We could wait for a variant specific vaccine - maybe Q3 2022, but of what variant?
Reopening is a tough game. Harder for some countries than others. Miserable for those who remain clinically vulnerable, who see the world moving on without them. But yeah, if the UK gets away with it, without crashing the NHS for months - I reckon we'll have done ok - even if it cheers up our neighbours (including those with similar death rates and hospitalisations) to think we're plague Island.
Thanks for the apology.
(I jest, it probably would've been a shitshow with the HSE)
We can basically ignore economic comparisons because of the spectacular act of self-harm that was Brexit, mid-pandemic.
They have fewer deaths/cases per million than Italy, who you seem to think handled the pandemic pretty well.
Highest cases per capita in the world. And that’s with relatively strict restrictions (although not as strict as a number of other EU countries) Don’t think the HSE would bear sole responsibility if we’d had a shitshow. Plus they deserve at least some credit for our vaccine/booster rollout going much better than most other countries.
I know, I know, but a lot of that should be (and has been) offset by close to the highest vaccination rate in the world! I'd hazard a guess that despite that case count we are nowhere near the highest in hospital/ICU per capita? We also have a relatively young population by western standards.
Not quite. Cases per capita are far above and the way it's going they're a few days away from overtaking on the deaths front too. All whilst having a far more favourable population demographic.
Anyway, when you have to compare yourself to the most disorganised country in Europe to try and look good, you know things are not going well.