I think he knows my thoughts on it.it’s disgusting that this wasn’t taken into account by the minister. Conveniently it’s just released today eh
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I think he knows my thoughts on it.it’s disgusting that this wasn’t taken into account by the minister. Conveniently it’s just released today eh
I’ll never not bite!
Those figures have outbreaks at home way out in front, then schools and places of work coming in without about half as many. Which basically covers all the places people spend time together indoors and outbreaks can accurately be tracked.
We’re just not going to pick up outbreaks that started in other indoor environments because of the delay between exposure and diagnosis. If you catch covid when out and about (in pubs or the homes of friends) you’re inevitably going to test positive on a day while at work (adult) or at school (kid) and that’s when the contact tracing starts.
The outbreak won’t be tracked back to the pint you had three days before that, or the coffee shop last week. And we all know the chances of your contacts at those places ever being identified are zero. Do you know anyone contacted by public health to notify them about being a close contact of a case after an evening out socialising? As you well know the “customer tracking” going on in the hospitality industry is a farce. I was asked for my contact details at one pub once over the whole Christmas period!
In schools and workplaces its so much easier to identify, test and trace contacts so those environments are going to consistently throw up much more “outbreaks” that are alleged to have started in those settings, even though they were probably seeded somewhere else entirely.
Schools have been closed for two weeks and we have 200,000 cases now.
I'm also not surprised that schools account for more cases than work places seeing as everyone's been working from home.
There doesn't seem to me that there is a huge amount of conclusions that can be drawn from that article.
I'm also not surprised that schools account for more cases than work places seeing as everyone's been working from home.
There doesn't seem to me that there is a huge amount of conclusions that can be drawn from that article.
That's simply not true, I was in the pub over Christmas and the barman specifically checked if we were having an outbreak of absolute craic. And we were.
Honestly whenever I go on RTE and see something negative about schools I just decide to tag you on it because we've come too far to stop now and I'm bored.
That’s it lads just bundle your virus attractors up and drop them off in those cesspits of illness
That's what I was referring to - the pregnant woman was mentioned in my article. She probably wouldn't have died without the strict lockdown.
Sorry - thought you was going the other way. Agreed on your point here.
There should really be some HSE portal where you can register positive antigen tests without needing to do a PCR as it’s impossible to get one, for one that you are in the system as a positive case and won’t have to isolate in the future.
He’s not wrong but what he says isn’t much more notable than Katie Price. Not sure elevating the views of a celeb because they get their norks out, host a chat show, appear on reality TV or analyse a flat back four has done wonders for the level of discourse.
What I particularly like about the story is that from what we've been told by NHS hospital managers, the overload is hitting areas outside London hardest at the moment. London having more beds, more flexibility to move staff and more agency workers are supposed to be coping better.
Which is incredible given how terrible coffee is in Ireland and the UK. Nearly as bad as in the US.
Hearing exactly the same from friends working in hospital in Ireland. Used to regularly see patients come in on 2L 02 who would suddenly fall of a cliff and need 90% via arvo and this seems to have stopped completely.
By far the biggest problem now is staff off sick. That and the logistical headaches around isolating covid inpatients.
Coffee has gotten really good in Ireland lately. The scene has exploded. Still nothing on Australia though, from what I hear from people who lived there. Especially Melbourne.
Is there an argument that scrapping the need for isolation if they aren’t actually sick would lead to better outcomes?
But then who judges that? If a person isn’t sick but is shedding the virus couldn’t a more vulnerable person catch it from them?
Not scrapping but shortening it right down, definitely. It would be also be good to make it less “one size fits all”. It just doesn’t make any sense to keep vaccinated and boosted doctors/nurses stuck at home for 10-14 days when they’ve had a mild head cold that lasted 48 hours (or no symptoms at all)
I’m sure they could. It would obviously lead to more infections but I’m just wondering if the staff shortages cause worse outcomes than the increase in cases.
That’s a problem that’s been around for decades, with illnesses like influenza or various vomiting bugs. One of the (very few) upsides of this pandemic is that it’s made most people a hell of a lot more considerate on this issue than they ever were before. The issue now is how much longer we keep making these lengthy isolation periods for covid mandatory. Especially when there’s loads of indirect harm caused by hospitals unable to run their usual services due to staff shortages.
I suppose it will take a brave person to make that call.
A third of staff including many clinical are off sick too at my GP practice. On-call shifts are a nightmare. There are many in general pubic whose expectations regarding business-as-usual level of care is something I find annoyingly odd too at this stage. I'm not the only one annoyed at having to live like a hermit to avoid catching the damn thing now with self-inflicted lockdown to prop up a cog in our collapsed healthcare system.
Many countries are already doing this, or at least reducing the isolation time down significantly.
And unvaccinated staff?
I wonder how much of this is due to people isolating after getting symptoms and how much is actual virus shedding ability. It’d be interesting to see a similar graph once isolation isn’t required any longer.Many countries are already doing this, or at least reducing the isolation time down significantly.
At this point in time, it seems like it's the restrictions themselves that are causing the problems.
We can't unring the Omicron bell. But we can loosen the isolation rules to get staff back into hospitals as soon as they're fit to do so.
We can't unring the Omicron bell. But we can loosen the isolation rules to get staff back into hospitals as soon as they're fit to do so.
They won't exist in the UK within a couple of months and I imagine the same will be the case across most of Europe too.
Any medical/CV educated posters...
Felt ill, did a home test, positive. Just done walk through PCR and should get result soon (though being a Friday afternoon may not help). Isolating
If I'm feeling rough and assuming +ve is accurate, where am I in the process in terms of passing it on? Is that before symptoms, during or after?
Felt ill, did a home test, positive. Just done walk through PCR and should get result soon (though being a Friday afternoon may not help). Isolating
If I'm feeling rough and assuming +ve is accurate, where am I in the process in terms of passing it on? Is that before symptoms, during or after?
I think you’re most infections within the first few days apparently from the onset of symptoms.
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We'll need to be patient with these people once they leave school. Horrible conditions to grow up in, and I think it's the same in the majority of the world.
I'm more impressed that was posted by someone in school studying, i would of been absolutely buzzing if none of my teachers were in and i could literally do as i please back in my school days.
Before even mentioning remote learning my instant thought would of been a giant long holiday.
Before even mentioning remote learning my instant thought would of been a giant long holiday.
It’s grim but if they were forced to study remotely you could write a similar rant about on the dystopian cruelty of forcing kids to be separated from their peers and spend all day staring into a laptop on endless video conferences. I’m willing to bet that the vast majority of students (and their parents) would prefer the situation described here to shutting that school down again.
There’s such a crazy culture war going on right now about covid and the exaggerated sense of threat felt by a minority (like the kid who wrote that blog, his peers staying home and, presumably, their parents) is as unhelpful as the “just a flu” crew in early 2020.
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Yeah, 100%. It makes no sense that the onset of symptoms makes you less infective. The exact opposite is much more likely.
Although, having said that I’m sure a lot of that data comes from intra-household spread where proper isolation isn’t really possible.
It's not about the coffee. Regardless of the beans, it's always served too hot. The cup is an accessory, best paired with a dry robe.
That said we are not the coffee wastelands of 20 years ago.
He explicitly talks about not liking remote learning, but finding it preferable to the current chaos. There's a teacher in the replies expanding on his point.
I don't doubt that it's true that parents don't like remote, but it may not be true for students in these circumstances, and very probably isn't true of teachers.