Is it likely that boosters will be required 6 monthly and if so will vaccine passes only be valid if you keep getting boosted ?
SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)
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https://edition.cnn.com/2022/01/04/...-booster-vaccines-feasibility-intl/index.html
Professor Andrew Pollard said:
Dr. Anthony Fauci said:
The message from the experts is that it's too early to tell.
But if I had to guess, I would think not.
Thanks, I don’t think people will keep getting boosted anyway.
Sh*t. What a terrifying experience dude. Completely cements my phobia of wasps.I'm anaphalactic to paper wasps or rather I was.
I have always had a slightly bad swelling reaction to wasps in general. However a few years ago I was driving a 4x4 along the beach on Fraser Island QLD when wasp the size of a sparrow came through the air vent and stung me on the arm. It looked looked like I had half a golf ball under the skin for a few days but I didn't think anything of it.
A few weeks later I was moving the lawn on a hot day and after putting g the mower back in the garage I also put a ladder back in that I'd left out earlier.
I must have bumped a paper wasp nest as I put the ladder back (they love garge entrances and the eves of houses). I got stung about 20 times on the shoulder and they are far worse than European wasps. I squished most of them while swearing vigorously. I then went inside to get bug spray tobfinish them off. I sprayed the nest and legged it to avoid getting stung again and after a few steps felt a bit light headed. I sat down on the steps and then got back up azfew mins later when I felt fine. I then felt far from fine and as I went unconscious I managed to roll down the lemon my side.
The next thing I remember was fighting to stand up despite the best efforts of the paramedics.
My wife and son were out at the shops so I lay on the lawn for an unknown length of time in extreme heat and direct sunlight. My son's mate from across the road saw me, came over and prodded me with his foot and then ran over to tell his folks. Initially his folks didn't believe him as he had a rep for tall tales but eventually they came out and rang an ambulance.
As the ambulance arrived my wife and son arrived home and my wife though I'd had a heart attack as a work colleagues so husband had dropped dead at 50 axfew days earlier.
After the paramedics got me in to the ambulance they gave me plasma and I recovered fast. I got checked out at the hospital and was discharged soon after but not before my wife posted a picture of me asleep in emergency on Facebook :-)
The hospital told me it was dehydration combined with getting stung on the virus nerve so I had a good night's sleep and carried on
A couple of weeks later my wife was telling the story to a neighbour who she met on the commuter train in to Sydney. The neighbour was a nurse at a hospital allergy centre and immediately thought I had experienced an anaphalactic event and I should get tested.
Long story short, I was seriously anaphalactic to the point the next time might have been fatal and had 6 months of immunotherapy treatment and now carry an epipen.
Crab and prawns give me an anaphylactic reaction too so I know how scary and sudden it is.
That sounds horrifying. Sorry to hear about this - at the very least you can take some sort of measure now in case such an event re-occurs with the epipen. Also demonstrates the importance of A&E services that a lot of us take for granted.I'm anaphalactic to paper wasps or rather I was.
I have always had a slightly bad swelling reaction to wasps in general. However a few years ago I was driving a 4x4 along the beach on Fraser Island QLD when wasp the size of a sparrow came through the air vent and stung me on the arm. It looked looked like I had half a golf ball under the skin for a few days but I didn't think anything of it.
A few weeks later I was moving the lawn on a hot day and after putting g the mower back in the garage I also put a ladder back in that I'd left out earlier.
I must have bumped a paper wasp nest as I put the ladder back (they love garge entrances and the eves of houses). I got stung about 20 times on the shoulder and they are far worse than European wasps. I squished most of them while swearing vigorously. I then went inside to get bug spray tobfinish them off. I sprayed the nest and legged it to avoid getting stung again and after a few steps felt a bit light headed. I sat down on the steps and then got back up azfew mins later when I felt fine. I then felt far from fine and as I went unconscious I managed to roll down the lemon my side.
The next thing I remember was fighting to stand up despite the best efforts of the paramedics.
My wife and son were out at the shops so I lay on the lawn for an unknown length of time in extreme heat and direct sunlight. My son's mate from across the road saw me, came over and prodded me with his foot and then ran over to tell his folks. Initially his folks didn't believe him as he had a rep for tall tales but eventually they came out and rang an ambulance.
As the ambulance arrived my wife and son arrived home and my wife though I'd had a heart attack as a work colleagues so husband had dropped dead at 50 axfew days earlier.
After the paramedics got me in to the ambulance they gave me plasma and I recovered fast. I got checked out at the hospital and was discharged soon after but not before my wife posted a picture of me asleep in emergency on Facebook :-)
The hospital told me it was dehydration combined with getting stung on the virus nerve so I had a good night's sleep and carried on
A couple of weeks later my wife was telling the story to a neighbour who she met on the commuter train in to Sydney. The neighbour was a nurse at a hospital allergy centre and immediately thought I had experienced an anaphalactic event and I should get tested.
Long story short, I was seriously anaphalactic to the point the next time might have been fatal and had 6 months of immunotherapy treatment and now carry an epipen.
Prof Andrew Pollard, wow, nice to see a expert with an actual sense of reality, concentrating on vaccinating risk groups (as with do with influenza) every 6 months should have always been the main goal.
It’s taken two years but we may finally be getting to the place where we accept the inevitability and understand the costs involved that will massively affect our future if we continue along current paths.
The UK for example has already borrowed 300 billion quid during the pandemic, it simply cannot continue to spend 15 billion or so (likely to rise significantly now the pharma companies want more) every 6 months to vaccinate 90% of the population. Spend some of that money on paying doctors and nurses more and bolstering their facilities instead.
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Wow! I always knew it, wasps are the true enemies of humansI'm anaphalactic to paper wasps or rather I was.
I have always had a slightly bad swelling reaction to wasps in general. However a few years ago I was driving a 4x4 along the beach on Fraser Island QLD when wasp the size of a sparrow came through the air vent and stung me on the arm. It looked looked like I had half a golf ball under the skin for a few days but I didn't think anything of it.
A few weeks later I was moving the lawn on a hot day and after putting g the mower back in the garage I also put a ladder back in that I'd left out earlier.
I must have bumped a paper wasp nest as I put the ladder back (they love garge entrances and the eves of houses). I got stung about 20 times on the shoulder and they are far worse than European wasps. I squished most of them while swearing vigorously. I then went inside to get bug spray tobfinish them off. I sprayed the nest and legged it to avoid getting stung again and after a few steps felt a bit light headed. I sat down on the steps and then got back up azfew mins later when I felt fine. I then felt far from fine and as I went unconscious I managed to roll down the lemon my side.
The next thing I remember was fighting to stand up despite the best efforts of the paramedics.
My wife and son were out at the shops so I lay on the lawn for an unknown length of time in extreme heat and direct sunlight. My son's mate from across the road saw me, came over and prodded me with his foot and then ran over to tell his folks. Initially his folks didn't believe him as he had a rep for tall tales but eventually they came out and rang an ambulance.
As the ambulance arrived my wife and son arrived home and my wife though I'd had a heart attack as a work colleagues so husband had dropped dead at 50 axfew days earlier.
After the paramedics got me in to the ambulance they gave me plasma and I recovered fast. I got checked out at the hospital and was discharged soon after but not before my wife posted a picture of me asleep in emergency on Facebook :-)
The hospital told me it was dehydration combined with getting stung on the virus nerve so I had a good night's sleep and carried on
A couple of weeks later my wife was telling the story to a neighbour who she met on the commuter train in to Sydney. The neighbour was a nurse at a hospital allergy centre and immediately thought I had experienced an anaphalactic event and I should get tested.
Long story short, I was seriously anaphalactic to the point the next time might have been fatal and had 6 months of immunotherapy treatment and now carry an epipen.
Good job the neighbours little kid saw you!
Funnily enough I wasn't bothered much at the time or since.
I should be more concerned and a) stop trying to kill wasps with my bare hands(it drives my wife nuts) and b) carry my epipen more often.
The chances are that the immunotherapy treatment means I wouldn't have another anaphalactic event, although only doing the main 6 month regime and not doing the 4.5 year follow up - it was knocking me out for 2/3 days a week - may mean I'm still susceptible.
New ‘IHU’ Covid Variant With 46 Mutations Discovered In France
I thought we were using the greek aphabet .. where has IHU come from?
oh apparently the IHU made it up
Another variant, I'm bored of this now. 
That quote kind of says it all, it appeared nearly 3 months ago and has registered 12 cases in total. Nothing to worry about. For a new variant to displace Omicron it needs to be capable of the millions of cases a day Omicron is doing.
No follow up PCR needed in the UK from next Tuesday if you are positive on a lateral flow but asymptomatic.
https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19...k-as-testing-rules-set-to-be-relaxed-12509316
https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19...k-as-testing-rules-set-to-be-relaxed-12509316
My mother had a paper wasp get stuck between her eyeball & her eyeglass lens while she was driving a car on the highway. Skin-crawling story.I'm anaphalactic to paper wasps or rather I was.
I have always had a slightly bad swelling reaction to wasps in general. However a few years ago I was driving a 4x4 along the beach on Fraser Island QLD when wasp the size of a sparrow came through the air vent and stung me on the arm. It looked looked like I had half a golf ball under the skin for a few days but I didn't think anything of it.
A few weeks later I was moving the lawn on a hot day and after putting g the mower back in the garage I also put a ladder back in that I'd left out earlier.
I must have bumped a paper wasp nest as I put the ladder back (they love garge entrances and the eves of houses). I got stung about 20 times on the shoulder and they are far worse than European wasps. I squished most of them while swearing vigorously. I then went inside to get bug spray tobfinish them off. I sprayed the nest and legged it to avoid getting stung again and after a few steps felt a bit light headed. I sat down on the steps and then got back up azfew mins later when I felt fine. I then felt far from fine and as I went unconscious I managed to roll down the lemon my side.
The next thing I remember was fighting to stand up despite the best efforts of the paramedics.
My wife and son were out at the shops so I lay on the lawn for an unknown length of time in extreme heat and direct sunlight. My son's mate from across the road saw me, came over and prodded me with his foot and then ran over to tell his folks. Initially his folks didn't believe him as he had a rep for tall tales but eventually they came out and rang an ambulance.
As the ambulance arrived my wife and son arrived home and my wife though I'd had a heart attack as a work colleagues so husband had dropped dead at 50 axfew days earlier.
After the paramedics got me in to the ambulance they gave me plasma and I recovered fast. I got checked out at the hospital and was discharged soon after but not before my wife posted a picture of me asleep in emergency on Facebook :-)
The hospital told me it was dehydration combined with getting stung on the virus nerve so I had a good night's sleep and carried on
A couple of weeks later my wife was telling the story to a neighbour who she met on the commuter train in to Sydney. The neighbour was a nurse at a hospital allergy centre and immediately thought I had experienced an anaphalactic event and I should get tested.
Long story short, I was seriously anaphalactic to the point the next time might have been fatal and had 6 months of immunotherapy treatment and now carry an epipen.
Wow I don't think I can agree with a single word. The caller expressly said that she has a 13 year work experience but never ever experienced something like this.
Also your sentence about the full lockdown is simply wrong. It worked very well in Austria. Brought numbers down massively and a huge relieve to NHS.
It pulled down Austria's delta surge. It looks like their Omicron wave is starting now and that's with another set of restrictions in place. We know we can slow it down with lockdowns, we know we can "flatten the curve" if the controls are strong enough, they have to be a lot stronger than before to slow down omicron though and everything we've seen says it will return as soon as the controls are released. Unless we're talking about a lockdown until the other side of an omicron modified vaccine booster perhaps.
We don't know how to live with covid yet. I don't think the NHS has the resources to live with it. I can suggest a whole bunch of mitigations that could have prepared us better, from clean ventilation in schools, hospitality and workplaces to proper sick pay for people who need to isolate. But I don't think lockdowns offer a way out - a way of stalling it perhaps, but not a painless or easy option - which does mean the timing comes down to crude calculations about "what's the worst caseload we can handle." Which will vary from country to country and lots of calculations around vaccine coverage and number of people who can't go into work.
Looks like London already peaked 11 days ago, per ONS. And admissions going down for last couple of days also.
I do agree with your points. But at a certain point a lockdown is the only working wavebreaker to release the pressure on NHS. It's certainly not a longterm solution but needed if NHS capacities are at a tipping point.
And make no mistake. From all the noises we hear here in Austria we will go into another lockdown soon enough because of Omicron. Seems this is our strategy going forward. If that's economically sensible is a different matter but short term it does release pressure on NHS and their capacities. To straight out dispute that effect (not you but the poster II quoted) is nonsense. It seems UK is going a different way though. Might lead to a quicker end of the Omicron wave but at big costs and the detriment of people working for the nhs.
https://thehill.com/policy/international/china/588305-china-infections-plummet-after-xian-lockdown
1 death as a direct consequence of the lockdown.
1 death as a direct consequence of the lockdown.
It certainly means a massive strain on NHS staff and on care workers (paid or unpaid). For the rest of the impact I think this image gives an idea of why the UK and Austria aren't necessarily at the same point, and why country comparisons don't always help:
A very different risk profile really, particularly when it comes to vaccination rates in the over 65s.
Ended up barely stinging her eyelid. She said that it swelled up a bit, but nothing bad.Oh my, I would literally drive my car into a ditch with panic
Was she ok?
She said she didn’t realize what it was at first. She had flicked her cigarette out the window & figured it was that which came back into her eye & she expected it to fall out pretty quick. She was then startled when the wasp started to go berserk between her eye & the lens. In all it lasted about three seconds.
Typing this is literally giving me goosebumps recalling the story.
I have a question about immunity
I started testing negative about 6/7 days ago and I'm 95% certain my case was Omicron. I've had two jabs but no booster.
I had arranged to stay with a girl in London this weekend before I fly back to Australia. She just tested positive today after first showing symptoms a few days ago, but her case is mild. She suspects it's Omicron too but like me can't be certain
Do I need to avoid meeting her in case of reinfection or do I have enough immunity to crack on?
I started testing negative about 6/7 days ago and I'm 95% certain my case was Omicron. I've had two jabs but no booster.
I had arranged to stay with a girl in London this weekend before I fly back to Australia. She just tested positive today after first showing symptoms a few days ago, but her case is mild. She suspects it's Omicron too but like me can't be certain
Do I need to avoid meeting her in case of reinfection or do I have enough immunity to crack on?
When it comes to giving the ‘rona to each other there’s no denying we are absolute legends.@Massive Spanner
(During school holidays too!
)I used to use a nasal spray called Omnaris (ciclesonide) but stopped in November. I had used it for about 10 years. I seem to be ok now so going to see how long I can go without any bad symptoms.
The swallowing problem could be an esophageal condition. Does she have trouble swallowing things like bread, pasta, etc., or does it only present with her allergy?
Yes she does, but not just that kinda stuff. We think but could be completely wrong that it’s allergy related. None of the consultants or GP have come up with any other suggestions
@Massive Spanner
(During school holidays too!
we socialize on a whole other level. It’s beautiful.Flurona is a thing?
It means they've managed to catch flu and covid at the same time. It's not an exotic new variant or anything fancy like that. It's just an example of that effect where you catch a virus and then while your defences are busy working on that, you catch something else on top of it. It means you get confusing symptoms and test results.
It is not a dramatic escalation in the covid mutation family tree.
On a more serious note I saw some data showing that our booster roll-out and take-up was the best in the EU. Seems to have done absolutely feck all to keep cases down. All our eggs are in the “prevents serious illness” basket right now.
The NHS from the inside. In London it looks like things are improving and they aren't going to see the hospital system collapse. Meanwhile, in the rest of the country the hospitalisations are rising and in many places there's no contingency left in the system to cash in on.
Ooh, that's dirty.
Makes you wonder. I'd definitely do some allergy tests (food based) to see if that's it. I have a mild shellfish allergy and my body refuses to swallow mussels, clams, etc.
I've read some complaints about a possible 4th jab. My own feeling is I don't have an issue with it should it be advised. I got the first two several months ago. Booster in December. I've been working all of 2021 back in person with people and wear a mask when needed on public transport and in shops requiring them. Before Omicron it did feel like we were getting back to normality. Hopefully the news that is a mild variant is true. I don't think another lockdown will be followed when we have the vaccines and people in general having a limit. A lot of us cannot do our jobs remotely and if we're vaccinated and follow all the guidelines in terms of public health it's a different scenario in 2022 than when lockdowns were used in 2020. I would prefer vaccine passports than lockdown. Most adults are vaccinated and if you haven't at this point that's on you.
Eesh. I guess the big worry here is that London is “protected” by prior infections in the same way that SA was and vaccines alone won’t replicate their experience.
London has a younger population demographic as well.
Some of the worst affected areas in the northern regions have lower life expectancy and poorer health outcomes generally. Combine that with under-resourced hospitals and a smaller pool of agency staff outside the big cities (like the ones dealing with high case rates in Cumberland) - losing 10/15% of your staff to covid quarantine stops everything.
Meanwhile Manchester has jumped from 349 patients (20 Dec) with covid to 1020 (Jan 3) - that's roughly a quarter of Manchester's hospital beds. More than 700 of those patients tested positive after admission (I've not seen that split between hospital acquired and community acquired). Some of the issue is the sheer logistic hit of running covid wards that contain patients who are in for a different reason. There's just no contingency in the system.
Manchester also think that they have 650+ patients who they can't discharge because they have no after care option available for them. That tends to be a problem for hospitals looking after large numbers of older people or people who need daily support - again, that proportion varies as you move across the country, but generally lower in London.
My son is at another UC and rapid and PCR tests are free for all staff and students. No vending machines as far as I know though. So I doubt that UCSD are motivated by the gathering of data as much as protecting themselves from lawsuits for failing to protect their staff and students.
You need to be double vaxxed and boostered to attend campus although the first 2 weeks are back online. Athletes have to get regular rapid tests but I suspect regular testing for all will return very soon.