SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)

Woodzy said:
Right, help me out with a situation here lads…

Basically, I got my booster on the 22nd, felt like shit for a number of days and then on 26th I felt a whole lot worse, with a sore throat and minor cough added to my fever and headache.

Since I had nowhere to go in Boxing Day anyway, I decided to just wait it out and see how I felt the next day but I’d already decided that I probably actually had covid.

Felt the same the next day, had no LFTs available but I had pretty much self diagnosed myself with covid at this point so I didn’t see the need for a PCR and just decided to isolate anyway.

Since then, I’ve discovered friends who I saw on the 23rd have had symptoms over Xmas and they have had PCR tests confirmed positive and have to isolate till Jan 4th. It’s likely we all got it at the same time.

Myself on the other hand, I now feel fantastic with just a slight tickle in my throat. My plan tomorrow providing I feel as if I hadn’t have had a virus in the first place, is to take some LFTs and if all is well I will stop isolating.

Question is, am I being a dick? I don’t want to isolate longer than I have to tbh and I feel like that although I’m not following the rules, I’m not really breaking any rules either as I’ve never tested positive in the first place.

The grey area is I don’t really know when my symptoms started because of my booster.
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Sounds like you'd be a day early of the 7 days at worst(taking the 26th as your first day of symptoms). Do an LFT tonight and then tomorrow and you're probably good to go, as per UK rules.
 
Here's something a bit beyond anecdata, preprint of study in the Lancet regarding hospital outcomes - compared to beta and delta variants- for patients in the omicron wave recently in South Africa which found reduction in percentage hospitalised, reduction in median length of stay in hospital, reduced percentage of patients needing supplemental oxygen and ICU admission, reduced severe disease - with outcomes such as respiratory distress, death considered.

https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3996320
 
Mickeza said:
Nothing wrong with Vit D so this isn’t a response to that but having loved his videos at the start of the pandemic you can’t help notice the subtle red flags recently that he wouldn’t look out of place on the Tory backbench. Constantly pushing ivermectin, slating the EU, having underhanded digs at Fauci and Biden, loving what Scott Morrison had to say a few days back about getting on with it, thinks the Public Health organisations are overstating omnicron and lying to us…been some little undertones I haven’t liked recently from him. I still watch because he’s good at breaking down data but definitely not as balanced as he used to appear.
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Totally agree. I've stopped watching him as I no longer trust him to be impartial.
 
Woodzy said:
Right, help me out with a situation here lads…

Basically, I got my booster on the 22nd, felt like shit for a number of days and then on 26th I felt a whole lot worse, with a sore throat and minor cough added to my fever and headache.

Since I had nowhere to go in Boxing Day anyway, I decided to just wait it out and see how I felt the next day but I’d already decided that I probably actually had covid.

Felt the same the next day, had no LFTs available but I had pretty much self diagnosed myself with covid at this point so I didn’t see the need for a PCR and just decided to isolate anyway.

Since then, I’ve discovered friends who I saw on the 23rd have had symptoms over Xmas and they have had PCR tests confirmed positive and have to isolate till Jan 4th. It’s likely we all got it at the same time.

Myself on the other hand, I now feel fantastic with just a slight tickle in my throat. My plan tomorrow providing I feel as if I hadn’t have had a virus in the first place, is to take some LFTs and if all is well I will stop isolating.

Question is, am I being a dick? I don’t want to isolate longer than I have to tbh and I feel like that although I’m not following the rules, I’m not really breaking any rules either as I’ve never tested positive in the first place.

The grey area is I don’t really know when my symptoms started because of my booster.
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You seem sure you have/had it and you think you got it at the same time as people who got tested and have to isolate until Jan 4th. You still have symptoms so you will be infectious so it isn't about following the rules, it is about not infecting others. And bear in mind LFT's have a high false negative rate so a negative when you are almost certain to have covid means little.
 
Woodzy said:
Right, help me out with a situation here lads…

Basically, I got my booster on the 22nd, felt like shit for a number of days and then on 26th I felt a whole lot worse, with a sore throat and minor cough added to my fever and headache.

Since I had nowhere to go in Boxing Day anyway, I decided to just wait it out and see how I felt the next day but I’d already decided that I probably actually had covid.

Felt the same the next day, had no LFTs available but I had pretty much self diagnosed myself with covid at this point so I didn’t see the need for a PCR and just decided to isolate anyway.

Since then, I’ve discovered friends who I saw on the 23rd have had symptoms over Xmas and they have had PCR tests confirmed positive and have to isolate till Jan 4th. It’s likely we all got it at the same time.

Myself on the other hand, I now feel fantastic with just a slight tickle in my throat. My plan tomorrow providing I feel as if I hadn’t have had a virus in the first place, is to take some LFTs and if all is well I will stop isolating.

Question is, am I being a dick? I don’t want to isolate longer than I have to tbh and I feel like that although I’m not following the rules, I’m not really breaking any rules either as I’ve never tested positive in the first place.

The grey area is I don’t really know when my symptoms started because of my booster.
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Why not just book a PCR for tomorrow? We didn't have any trouble getting one done on the same day. It doesn't take much effort to just do that.
 
Would appreciate some thoughts on this one please! Had a small get together on 28th. Someone who was there tested positive on the morning of the 30th on lateral flow. The gathering was indoors, for several hours. Certainly was near this person (I.e within 2M) for cumulatively at least an hour. That person was exposed to Covid on 27th. I.e that’s when they got it, and subsequently tested positive on 30th. What are my chances of being fecked? I’ve been negative on LFT each day so far. But suppose if I had it, based on the above, I’d remain negative until at some point today or tomorrow.
 
rpitroda said:
Would appreciate some thoughts on this one please! Had a small get together on 28th. Someone who was there tested positive on the morning of the 30th on lateral flow. The gathering was indoors, for several hours. Certainly was near this person (I.e within 2M) for cumulatively at least an hour. That person was exposed to Covid on 27th. I.e that’s when they got it, and subsequently tested positive on 30th. What are my chances of being fecked? I’ve been negative on LFT each day so far. But suppose if I had it, based on the above, I’d remain negative until at some point today or tomorrow.
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We are being told 25% of infections don't test positive until more than 7 days after exposure.
 
Wibble said:
We are being told 25% of infections don't test positive until more than 7 days after exposure.
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Thanks. I guess the question really is, how quickly do you go from contracting covid, to then being infectious, to then being positive? I guess there is no one set guaranteed answer, but any advice would be super useful!

The person definitely caught it on 27th since the people they were with on the 27th have also tested positive. Which means it would have to be unless the people there all caught it at a similar time seperately?
 
rpitroda said:
Thanks. I guess the question really is, how quickly do you go from contracting covid, to then being infectious, to then being positive? I guess there is no one set guaranteed answer, but any advice would be super useful!

The person definitely caught it on 27th since the people they were with on the 27th have also tested positive. Which means it would have to be unless the people there all caught it at a similar time seperately?
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We don't know the stats for Omicron. It looks shorter than for Delta but even that's not certain.

For risk assessment you could be looking at exposure to infectious timelines something like: 0-24 hours unlikely, 24-48 getting steadily more possible, 48+ very possible.
 
Cases in The Netherlands are slowly going down since we first lockeddown in the evening at the start of december and more completely now. Very weird to me to see the full stadiums in English football form my locked down part of the world. Especially with the soaring cases.
 
jojojo said:
We don't know the stats for Omicron. It looks shorter than for Delta but even that's not certain.

For risk assessment you could be looking at exposure to infectious timelines something like: 0-24 hours unlikely, 24-48 getting steadily more possible, 48+ very possible.
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Thanks buddy.
 
KirkDuyt said:
Cases in The Netherlands are slowly going down since we first lockeddown in the evening at the start of december and more completely now. Very weird to me to see the full stadiums in English football form my locked down part of the world. Especially with the soaring cases.
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Countries have done different things but usually by and large have been quite aligned holistically in approach (apart from the odd exception). It seems now though, different countries are taking very different paths.
 
Big-Red said:
Imagine if you increase the exposure people have then besides the usual Christmas stuff.
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It won’t be on top of the usual Christmas stuff. It will be instead of it. Most people basically stop socialising in January. That should offset the impact of schools opening. It seems as though omicron’s been ripping through school age kids during the holidays anyway. Can’t be many more not yet exposed.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
It won’t be on top of the usual Christmas stuff. It will be instead of it. Most people basically stop socialising in January. That should offset the impact of schools opening. It seems as though omicron’s been ripping through school age kids during the holidays anyway. Can’t be many more not yet exposed.
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That's my thinking on it. Both my sons classes were riddled in December. Three local schools in fact where empty of kids relatively in the run up to Christmas.
 
McGrathsipan said:
That's my thinking on it. Both my sons classes were riddled in December. Three local schools in fact where empty of kids relatively in the run up to Christmas.
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Yeah, it was rife towards the end of last term and just as rife during the holidays. The numbers are so insane right now it’s not sustainable. I fully expect them to peak within a week or two of schools reopening.
 
Woodzy said:
Right, help me out with a situation here lads…

Basically, I got my booster on the 22nd, felt like shit for a number of days and then on 26th I felt a whole lot worse, with a sore throat and minor cough added to my fever and headache.

Since I had nowhere to go in Boxing Day anyway, I decided to just wait it out and see how I felt the next day but I’d already decided that I probably actually had covid.

Felt the same the next day, had no LFTs available but I had pretty much self diagnosed myself with covid at this point so I didn’t see the need for a PCR and just decided to isolate anyway.

Since then, I’ve discovered friends who I saw on the 23rd have had symptoms over Xmas and they have had PCR tests confirmed positive and have to isolate till Jan 4th. It’s likely we all got it at the same time.

Myself on the other hand, I now feel fantastic with just a slight tickle in my throat. My plan tomorrow providing I feel as if I hadn’t have had a virus in the first place, is to take some LFTs and if all is well I will stop isolating.

Question is, am I being a dick? I don’t want to isolate longer than I have to tbh and I feel like that although I’m not following the rules, I’m not really breaking any rules either as I’ve never tested positive in the first place.

The grey area is I don’t really know when my symptoms started because of my booster.
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I had the same, I felt a little feverish before having my booster but decided to have it anyway, just about recovered now, I’m guessing I had covid topped up by the booster.
 
Also I’ve had covid twice, first time full of lethargy, this time felt like when I last got the flu about 5 years ago but obviously boosted by the booster.

Interesting to see how English hospitals cope over the next fortnight if it’s okay then I’m assuming it’s basically over.
 
rpitroda said:
Thanks. I guess the question really is, how quickly do you go from contracting covid, to then being infectious, to then being positive? I guess there is no one set guaranteed answer, but any advice would be super useful!

The person definitely caught it on 27th since the people they were with on the 27th have also tested positive. Which means it would have to be unless the people there all caught it at a similar time seperately?
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I wouldn't say that they definitely caught it on the 27th, as it could be coincidence, given the massive number of cases. Incubation period is likely longer than 3 days. Previously it was said to be 7-10 days.
 
decorativeed said:
I wouldn't say that they definitely caught it on the 27th, as it could be coincidence, given the massive number of cases. Incubation period is likely longer than 3 days. Previously it was said to be 7-10 days.
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7-10 is typical longest incubation. Shortest was typically around 4 days for Delta, and looks like it may be shorter for Omicron.

It's difficult to calculate for Omicron due to the combination of how infectious it is - people often don't know when they caught it, and the fact that cases can remain asymptomatic or with only vague symptoms (like fatigue) for days after they become infectious.
 
Just got my home PCR test this morning did it sent it away and then did another lateral flow test just after which still said positive so will be interesting to see if it's the same result
 
McGrathsipan said:
They all were so can't be again so soon.
That's the hope anyway
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I think they are banking on it plus he fact that so many have got it over Christmas. But look we had ten teachers out in the last week sick, I’m not sure what kind of schooling they will receive in the first week or 2 anyway. Especially since the government has released the students to fill in
 
decorativeed said:
I wouldn't say that they definitely caught it on the 27th, as it could be coincidence, given the massive number of cases. Incubation period is likely longer than 3 days. Previously it was said to be 7-10 days.
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When pretty much all but a couple of people there got it, and they call came positive on a lateral flow within a 12 hour period, I’d say it’s a very safe prediction to make.

Anyway much less stressed out now, we’ve cancelled our NYE plans although still showing negative on lateral flow just to be safe for others!
 
golden_blunder said:
I think they are banking on it plus he fact that so many have got it over Christmas. But look we had ten teachers out in the last week sick, I’m not sure what kind of schooling they will receive in the first week or 2 anyway. Especially since the government has released the students to fill in
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Reading there on RTE that Tony is keeping the school thing under review. We'll see what happens soon enough
 
We know of a family in our crèche who got positives a few days after Christmas and we saw them all in our local Tesco this morning, the kids running around touching everything with their little Covidy hands. Merry Christmas, ya filthy animals.
 
Brophs said:
We know of a family in our crèche who got positives a few days after Christmas and we saw them all in our local Tesco this morning, the kids running around touching everything with their little Covidy hands. Merry Christmas, ya filthy animals.
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I think a reasonable response would have been to punch the children in the face and then sanitise your hands
 
If you only start testing positive 5/6 days after symptoms, will you still have a high viral load for the normal amount of time? i.e. you could be isolating for upwards of 2 weeks?
 
The guidance around testing seems so crazy to me. If you have a positive LFT, you have covid. Behave accordingly. You do not need a PCR to confirm the diagnosis. PCR should be reserved for people who have covid symptoms and don’t test positive on an LFT.

The whole testing infrastructure will probably be overwhelmed regardless but the current guidance is making a bad situation worse.
 
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