Hope all goes well mate.
SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)
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Thoughts are with you and the family buddy.
Sorry to hear this. Must be very stressful. I would focus on the positive that chemo can really knock someone for six and would have made it much tougher to recover from whatever else she’s going through now. So in a way, it’s for the best that this picked up in time to delay the chemo. If it’s pushed out a few weeks that shouldn’t make a big difference to how effective it is. Chemo often needs to be delayed due to side effects (low blood count etc)
I wish you all the very best.
Sorry to hear that, wishing her luck in her treatment and a full recovery. Chin up mate
Really sorry to read that. Really hope it all comes back negative and she can get her treatment asap.My mum got turned away from the hospital for her last chemotherapy session because she has a temperature of 38 and a slight cough. She had a PCR test yesterday but the results haven't got back to the hospital yet (FFS). Her treatment has been put on hold until at least next week. I understood that the main symptoms of delta and Omicron for fully vaxxed (and boosted) weren't a temperature or a slight cough. If she's got it it's going to be a fecking disaster. feck sake. We are now arranging for us all to have a PCR and I did a lateral flow test earlier today which came back negative.
Any best wishes I have, your mums got them! Hope it all turns out ok.
Lowest same day figure for number of patients on mechanical ventilation for more than two months
Interesting thread (although you should replace CFR with CHR from the get go)
Thanks much, tis getting there
Getting harder and harder to argue against it being less severe be it due to immunity or just the virus itself.
The doomsday models are looking just as stupid as the originals not that will stop the media hounding down peoples throats everyday.
Its simply become a problem that society's have a far too small buffer in hospital beds at all times in the year especially winter.
The doomsday models are looking just as stupid as the originals not that will stop the media hounding down peoples throats everyday.
Its simply become a problem that society's have a far too small buffer in hospital beds at all times in the year especially winter.
@subotai Well said. This thread is my go to place on the pandemic, so many people contributing tons of helpful information and explanations.
Has it not been 28 days yet? I just watch the death numbers daily as that's all my intelligence can handle. Still 172 on one of the busiest catch up day (Tuesday). Was expecting this to be constantly over 200 at the very least, if not many hundreds.
It’s still to early to say but it’s looking promising. I don’t think there is anything wrong with being cautious though considering the fact that being blasé about it and being wrong could have cost tens if not hundreds of thousands of lives.
Not even close to being that trivial right now. Thinks could still go very badly wrong. As it stands, we’re basically relying on all these signals about potential lower severity holding true in Europe and the wave peaking lower than you’d expect based on the unbelievably rapid early spread.
I’m optimistic both these things will happen but there’s still a hell of a lot of doubt about each of them individually, never mind both as a pair. If one or other turns out not to be the case then the hospitals will be screwed in a way that is not remotely comparable to any prior winter in the last 100 years.
At what point would you suggest we will know how many weeks in are we now in the UK coming up to 4? (not sure myself)
Personally from all the data gathered so far be it from Denmark, London, UK or South Africa how this suddenly deviates to an absolute disaster looks improbable with the current variant anyway.
I'm optimistic this is the way out of this whole thing.
I’m not sure either. But the experts seem to be fairly confident that SA won’t be getting any more curveballs from omicron as of these last couple of days. Which is about four weeks (I think?) since their first case. So that means 3 weeks from now until we’re similarly confident.
DISCLAIMER: I didn’t check any of those dates so could easily be a week or two out, in either direction!
Happy for you my friend. Enjoy your time together and happy holidays.He got back on the 13th after 101 weeks away. Not that we were counting
Amazingly we all managed not to blub but it was close although I am tearing up slightly now for some reason. Loving having him home although low key so far as he is in a training camp for the national team until Christmas Eve, then flies back to Uni on the 3rd of Jan.
Hope everything goes well. Such things are incredibly sad to read. Stay strong brother.
Fair when i say the UK i'm explicitly talking about England (English arrogance and all that) its a given we are further along in this whole thing.
When this is all said and done, i'm most interested in the fall out in the trust of the news media and government i think this may be the start of a fundamental change, has there been a point in modern society where the trust in these things has been lower, i suppose thats a topic for another thread!
When you look at all of the numbers now and look at the measures we have in place and are considering, which I broadly support, that initial Alpha wave in the UK was absolutely crazy.
I haven't read this report properly and I'm hoping someone will dissect it properly for me, just in case. But, looks like good news.
Good sign. I do think we’d be seeing an increase in hospitalisations and deaths by now if the worse case scenarios projected had any merit.
While I think worse case scenarios should always be modelled I expect and hope that SAGE etc also model the most likely and best case scenarios. I think the media fear monger by writing only about the worse case models and this actually reduces trust from the public in the credibility of these groups as most people won’t think the media might be cherry picking what models they write about. For all we know for every 6000 daily deaths model there might also be a no increase in deaths, and a reduction in death model.
If decisions are made solely on worse case models, despite the daily data not showing any likelihood of them coming true as is currently the case then it leads to people really losing trust.
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hi guys
I'm quite ill at the moment after a wedding on saturday and isolating. taken antigen tests sat morning, sunday, monday and today, and will take one tomorrow, all negative. very hard to get a pcr test in dublin at the moment and result might take a couple of days anyway.
the gf is going home to her dad (70 years old) at some stage this week. Has also passed multiple antigen tests now but also can't get a pcr test easily.
what is the play for her here? be ultra cautious and potentially not get home until christmas eve or christmas day, even though i will have passed 8 antigen tests in 5 days tomorrow and even though she has no symptoms (last saw me on sunday). Does anyone know what odds are of passing 8 antigen tests while you have symptoms and getting 8 false negatives? symptoms are just cold like stuffiness, sore throat.
as i said, cautious route is for her to do nothing until i am able to get pcr slot & hear back results
I'm quite ill at the moment after a wedding on saturday and isolating. taken antigen tests sat morning, sunday, monday and today, and will take one tomorrow, all negative. very hard to get a pcr test in dublin at the moment and result might take a couple of days anyway.
the gf is going home to her dad (70 years old) at some stage this week. Has also passed multiple antigen tests now but also can't get a pcr test easily.
what is the play for her here? be ultra cautious and potentially not get home until christmas eve or christmas day, even though i will have passed 8 antigen tests in 5 days tomorrow and even though she has no symptoms (last saw me on sunday). Does anyone know what odds are of passing 8 antigen tests while you have symptoms and getting 8 false negatives? symptoms are just cold like stuffiness, sore throat.
as i said, cautious route is for her to do nothing until i am able to get pcr slot & hear back results
Yeah, it’s all good news.
The more negative among us (including yer man from the FT, weirdly) are looking at the risk of progressing to severe disease once hospitalised and concluding it’s the same as delta (which is bad news, if true) But the results of that analysis are a classic example of when failure to demonstrate a difference doesn’t mean there is no difference. The study was obviously underpowered to test that hypothesis with very wide confident intervals on this outcome. The risk might be the same, it might be less. These data tell us nothing useful, one way or the other.
Really tough call. Shit that you’re in this situation. Would you consider splashing out on a private PCR for one or other of you? The public system is completely overwhelmed at the moment.
I have tried today to find a slot, my understanding is the private capacity is fulfilling a lot of the public overflow anyway right now, and as fast as they release times they are getting snapped up. going to try again at midnight tonight to get a slot for weds or thurs but may end up making a decision based on 1000x antigen tests
I'd like to second this, the expertise and info have been invaluable, a massive thank you and happy holidays to you all. Also an extra special shout out to @Wolverine and all those working to get us all through this. Thank you all so very much.@Pogue Mahone
@jojojo
@Wolverine
@golden_blunder
@Wibble
@Arruda
A nice message from a newbie. I particularly like how they appended my name to the bottom of the list before they asked me to pass it on.Nice words all the same which I’m pleased to pass on.
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I don’t think decisions are made on worst case. Decisions will be made on the most probable case, with a view on the pessimistic scenarios to look for indicators that those pessimistic scenarios are coming to fruition. It is more important of course to factor in worst case rather than best case, because the nature of Covid means that if the worst case is realised and you don’t move early enough, it is calamitous. But they won’t just look at those in isolation.
The problem with the media though is more inherent than Covid specific. Media gets money, ultimately, by traffic on its websites. To get traffic it needs, broadly speaking, either unique and informative content which draws in readers on a more consistent basis as their “go to” news outlet. Or it needs splashing headlines to draw in the casual browser. A headline which stuns by saying “thousands could die per day” is obviously going to get more clicks than something more factual. The second issue is then that many people will actually just read that headline and that’ll be that. So even if that article does go on to say it’s a worst case scenario and not the most probable, it’s irrelevant.
Hard to say as the rapid tests have a high incidence of false negatives so can't bexrelied upon in your circumstances. Pogue's suggestion is probably your best bet.
Thanks - it is great to have him home home.
Fingers crossed it is "just" the clot. As if chemo isn't hard enough without covid to think about.
Based on data Omicron really isn't as deadly as the previous variants. The spike in infection really is troublesome though... it's going to be a long long arduous journey because of this virus. I fecking hate it.
Source : https://ourworldindata.org/explorer...on=true&Align+outbreaks=false&country=GBR~ZAF
I wish everyone here and members of their family who got infected by Covid to recover quickly.
Source : https://ourworldindata.org/explorer...on=true&Align+outbreaks=false&country=GBR~ZAF
I wish everyone here and members of their family who got infected by Covid to recover quickly.
Thank you @Wibble @BlueHaze @Volumiza @golden_blunder @Acole9 @Pogue Mahone @rpitroda @Lewnited @FireballXL5 and @djembatheking for the kind words and helpful information.
Your first few words are “I’m quite ill” so personally I’d be erring on the side of caution. I really don’t trust those antigen tests
If Corbyn was PM now, his own crazy brother would be his downfall
So apparently the isolation period has been reduced to 7 days assuming you can produce a negative LFT on day 6 and 7.
I'm due to be out of isolation on Christmas Day (fully recovered now) and have tested negative this morning. Does that mean if I produce another negative LFT tomorrow I'm out of the woods? Or do this new reduced restrictions only apply to new cases and I'm still obliged to do my 10 days?
I'm due to be out of isolation on Christmas Day (fully recovered now) and have tested negative this morning. Does that mean if I produce another negative LFT tomorrow I'm out of the woods? Or do this new reduced restrictions only apply to new cases and I'm still obliged to do my 10 days?
I swear that for the more I read about covid, the stupider I think I am. I simply don't understand half this crap.
you're at least in the top 10% for simply recognizing that this is too difficult to comprehend fully as a layman. Stupid people won't see that. So, my guess is, you're not stupid at all, you're just not educated in this particular field. Reality is very complex and to really fully understand these things, you not only have to spend some hours (more like days now with covid) reading about it, but you need the fundamental education. And even then you might not be able to truely comprehend everything about it.
I do not (not even remotely) think that I am able to comprehend and truely understand everything law-related, yet here I sit and advise people (in specific fields).