SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)

Does anyone know where you can easily compare the different vaccination uptakes for each borough in London?
 
Pexbo said:
Without Omicron there’s no way we would have had any Christmas restrictions imo.
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Europe was already having restrictions and lockdowns, the murmurings started here with some scientist talking about action being needed. IMO, this has just expedited it by a month or 2. I even asked on here what people thought, funnily enough a new variant was something I mentioned.
 
Ferguson’s Hairdryer said:
Europe was already having restrictions and lockdowns, the murmurings started here with some scientist talking about action being needed. IMO, this has just expedited it by a month or 2. I even asked on here what people thought, funnily enough a new variant was something I mentioned.
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Are you talking about the UK? We started to flatten to Delta curve?
 
We wouldn’t have any Christmas restrictions if it wasn’t for Omicron.
 
Pexbo said:
Are you talking about the UK? We started to flatten to Delta curve?
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Yes I was talking about the U.K. around the time east and some Western European countries started putting in restrictions a month or 2 ago. I noticed more talk here about a hard winter, things being on a knife edge, the need for plan B etc. This was before Omicron.
 
BluesJr said:
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There will be a lot of people who simply won't comply if it happens to be honest, especially given the uptake in vaccine/suggestion that it's less severe with boost/vaccine/past infection. People gave up their Christmases last year in part to protect the NHS but equally in part because we still didn't know the fatality/serious illness rates, nor did we have a vaccine.

As much as a circuit breaker is needed, good luck getting enough people on-side this time round, especially given this government's past-record.

But all that is sort of secondary to the main issue, which is/always will be whilst this thing is circulating in whatever form it currently takes, the fecking antivaxxers. They've been the idiots largely filling hospitals with Delta lately, and they'll be the idiots that tip the NHS over the edge again too.

Just feck em.
 
BluesJr said:
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The exact text from the front page is:

As the Government's scientific advisers called for an immediate "curtailment" of indoor mixing to combat the spread of omicron, the Prime Minister was considering a range of potential measures, from new guidance on restricting social contact, to a third national lockdown.

The headline is just Torygraph clickbaiting - it sounds like all options are still on the table.

But knowing Boris' track record, he won't lockdown before the 25th. I think a circuit breaker the following week is most likely.

Johnson will want to give businesses the chance to cash in on January sales, so a full lockdown is unlikely.
 
Ferguson’s Hairdryer said:
Yes I was talking about the U.K. around the time east and some Western European countries started putting in restrictions a month or 2 ago. I noticed more talk here about a hard winter, things being on a knife edge, the need for plan B etc. This was before Omicron.
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Where are you going with this? It sounds intriguingly mental.
 
Is there any real benefit to Germany doing this 2 week quarantine? Feels a bit silly and who else got added to their red list?
 
calodo2003 said:
What was the gist?
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Ah sorry. It must be a locked account.

Just a silly joke tweet from one of the maths mob on there, it just amused me at the time. I'll delete the post.
"It's amazing how each new COVID variant seems worse than the last, but you knuckle down and gradually get to tolerate it, before the next one comes along and is so bad you almost find yourself longing for the previous one. I've only ever previously had that with Westlife singles."
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Pogue Mahone said:
Where are you going with this? It sounds intriguingly mental.
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intriguingly mental what you find mental. I’m just mentioning a previous post were I asked if people thought we’d go into lockdown. Is thoughtful observation based on what was happening in Europe and what our scientists were saying mental?
 
Ferguson’s Hairdryer said:
intriguingly mental what you find mental. I’m just mentioning a previous post were I asked if people thought we’d go into lockdown. Is thoughtful observation based on what was happening in Europe and what our scientists were saying mental?
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It is if you’re intent on ignoring the role that omicron is playing in what’s happening right now.

Seriously, though. Enough rhetorical questions. What’s your point? What are you suggesting?
 
LARulz said:
Is there any real benefit to Germany doing this 2 week quarantine? Feels a bit silly and who else got added to their red list?
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Same benefit as the UK adding South Africa to the red list a few weeks ago. It's a political signal to reassure people they're taking steps to limit the spread of a variant of concern. The fact those steps will inevitably fail and cause harm to others in the process is just baked into the idea. It's just a calculated political decision. It's politically risky to not look like you're doing all you can, even when that's not enough in the first place.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
It is if you’re intent on ignoring the role that omicron is playing in what’s happening right now.
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How is saying Omicron bought it forward by a month or 2 ignoring the role that Omicron is playing? You’ve clearly read that post. Honestly that’s why I don’t really like dealing with extremist on either end of the covid spectrum, because they are intellectually dishonest and find offence when there is none. So discussion and debate is impossible.
 
Is it bad to want some of these crazy fecking antivaxxers to succumb to COVID?
 
langster said:
My first day out of isolation today.

I am double jabbed with AZ and tested positive early last week. I've had strange symptoms, the first day just felt wiped out tired. Then a few days of random coughing, loss of appetite and just awful aches and muscle pains and tiredness.

My daughter who is 9 had it too and three nights in a row her temperature spiked to 40.5 and had to have the paramedics out twice for her. She's much better now.

My sister has it and has the same symptoms as me, she's double jabbed but not sure which vaccine. Her son who is 15 had it really bad too, he was really poorly. Yet his brother who has isolated with them hasn't caught it. And my partner who has shared the bed with our daughter for the last 10 days hasn't caught it either. She's double Pfizer jabbed.

Like many places, it's ripped through our town and area. I've known so many with it and many with little or no symptoms and many like me who suffered like a nasty flu symptoms. I am yet to speak to anyone other than younger kids who have had it and have not been vaccinated, but it appears the vaccines are definitely working to lessen the impact of the virus.

All the stats seem to indicate this too. Cases rising but hospitalisations and deaths appear to be roughly the same and at the moment (touch wood) not rising exponentially like the cases seem to be.

Although it's cost me enough with the lockdowns, I had to close last weekend ( we were fully booked each night) as I didn't have enough staff and didn't want to risk the ones who didn't have it getting it or if they had it, spreading it to customers. So that cost a fortune. I had tickets for me and my lad to see Bill Bailey on Monday we had to cancel and we were due to fly to Finland, Lapland on Tuesday and then had tickets for United Brighton today, so all in all I went from having the best week ever planned to having the actual nightmare before Christmas.

On the bright side though, none of us got severely Ill or worse with Covid, but now we have to once again face the prospect of uncertainty and having to close the pub again during the busy holiday period that usually gets us through the lean winter and early spring months.

I'm just now more disillusioned and confused about how I feel about the whole scenario. I'm not sure how many businesses can cope with more shut downs or how many more people can cope either. Especially teenagers like mine and his cousins in their final years at school. They are suffering awfully and struggling to catch up for their exams and the schools just seem lost and unable to cope or help support then.

Covid causes far more damage than just those sick or dying. It really is a fecking nightmare and there doesn't seem to be an end in sight either.

Sorry for the long meandering post, just needed to get all that out.
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I’m glad to hear that you and your family are in the mend fella
 
jojojo said:
Ah sorry. It must be a locked account.

Just a silly joke tweet from one of the maths mob on there, it just amused me at the time. I'll delete the post.
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Funny, but very true. If we still had Wuhan Covid kicking around as the main strain it would seem like barely a big deal at all with our current vaccination rates, including boosters. We had Alpha down to 2k cases a day in May, and that was far more infectious than the original
 
PoTMS said:
Is it bad to want some of these crazy fecking antivaxxers to succumb to COVID?
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You may have the benefit of an education, some others aren't so lucky - and many innocent 'bystanders' get drawn in by bullshit on the internet. How often do you see an older auntie or uncle sharing dubious statistics or quotes on social media? They may not be equipped with the savvy to consider fact checking that something on of their friends has posted. Some people just aren't bullshit savvy.
 
Droid_Repairs said:
You may have the benefit of an education, some others aren't so lucky - and many innocent 'bystanders' get drawn in by bullshit on the internet. How often do you see an older auntie or uncle sharing dubious statistics or quotes on social media? They may not be equipped with the savvy to consider fact checking that something on of their friends has posted. Some people just aren't bullshit savvy.
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I can get that. What I don’t get is their utter stubbornness when people do try and tell them differently. They just ignore it. That’s the infuriating thing.
 
One thing that's always puzzled me is the lack of treatment protocol once diagnosed with COVID.

It seems that once diagnosed with COVID, you need to isolate. You're essentially isolating at home unless conditions worsen to the point where you need to go to the hospital. It seems that from the moment you've got a + PCR test until you've got trouble breathing there's nothing to do (but sit in isolation and terror). Surely with other infections/respiratory illnesses the earlier you start treatment, the better. Why is the treatment of COVID different?
 
Suedesi said:
One thing that's always puzzled me is the lack of treatment protocol once diagnosed with COVID.

It seems that once diagnosed with COVID, you need to isolate. You're essentially isolating at home unless conditions worsen to the point where you need to go to the hospital. It seems that from the moment you've got a + PCR test until you've got trouble breathing there's nothing to do (but sit in isolation and terror). Surely with other infections/respiratory illnesses the earlier you start treatment, the better. Why is the treatment of COVID different?
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I believe you need a few days for the microchip to start working, if you go to the hospital too soon then its 5G capabilities won't work. At least that's what I read on myface.com
 
Brwned said:
Same benefit as the UK adding South Africa to the red list a few weeks ago. It's a political signal to reassure people they're taking steps to limit the spread of a variant of concern. The fact those steps will inevitably fail and cause harm to others in the process is just baked into the idea. It's just a calculated political decision. It's politically risky to not look like you're doing all you can, even when that's not enough in the first place.
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Same as the UK first bringing in a PCR by day 2 with self isolation upon entering the UK to “slow omicron” which made absolutely zero sense whatsoever. A few weeks later they only then added the requirement to take a test before travelling the UK.
Now you’re left with this bizarre scenario where the European country with the most omicron, has the toughest entry requirements to stop it coming in, despite it now being everywhere. Ridiculous, but there you go, so much is political as you say.
 
Regulus Arcturus Black said:
Same as the UK first bringing in a PCR by day 2 with self isolation upon entering the UK to “slow omicron” which made absolutely zero sense whatsoever. A few weeks later they only then added the requirement to take a test before travelling the UK.
Now you’re left with this bizarre scenario where the European country with the most omicron, has the toughest entry requirements to stop it coming in, despite it now being everywhere. Ridiculous, but there you go, so much is political as you say.
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France and Germany have effectively banned British tourists. Entry requirements aren't just about tests. Ireland specify a test before entry and daily for 5 days on arrival - there are no inbound tests for people entering the UK from Ireland.

Everyone hopes they can buy time, and if a week or so can do something in a particular area - boosters perhaps - then maybe they can. Once the week or so has passed they should go again, but seldom do.
 
Suedesi said:
One thing that's always puzzled me is the lack of treatment protocol once diagnosed with COVID.

It seems that once diagnosed with COVID, you need to isolate. You're essentially isolating at home unless conditions worsen to the point where you need to go to the hospital. It seems that from the moment you've got a + PCR test until you've got trouble breathing there's nothing to do (but sit in isolation and terror). Surely with other infections/respiratory illnesses the earlier you start treatment, the better. Why is the treatment of COVID different?
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With most other respiratory viral illnesses there’s no treatment either. You might sometimes give an antiviral for flu but they don’t work very well.

With covid the really difficult bit is knowing who/when to treat. With the vast majority of infections mild or asymptomatic you’d be wasting a lot of drugs (and exposing a lot of people to unnecessary side effects)

Having said that there are a lot of covid treatments being trialled. The Pfizer one looks most promising. And should be available soon.
 
In the queue for my booster. Around 10% of people not wearing masks in this massive, packed queue.

Also special mention to the woman a few people ahead who has spent the hour chain smoking and shouting into the phone to various people about how she won’t let people talk to her like that and listing all of the things she’s going to refuse to do if asked etc. I wonder what poor cnut, apart from those of us in the queue, is having to listen to that at 8 in the morning.

Still a solid 7/10.
 
Must admit I'm surprised they have not announced new years eve measures (closing pubs and clubs for example)

Seems inevitable that will have to happen but the later they leave it the harder it will be to enforce... Monday really must be the deadline with some additional sector specific support

Otherwise I can only imagine the plan is to pop up for a 10 minute announcement just after boxing day

I'm also wondering when we run out of pcr and lat flow tests... if every country in Europe is going to be hit with a civil spike in January then at some point demand is going to outstrip supply capacity ... on top of xmas production constraints and an already stretched global logistics crisis.

New year cancelled
Schools closed in January
Not enough tests so having to rely more on hospital data.

I'm stocking up on toilet rolls while the shops are still open

As unpopular as it would be surely the right thing to do is to go back to reduced (or zero) household mixing ASAP

The Xmas parties of the government from last year really do seem to have undermined their ability to propose this though.

Tldr... buy toilet rolls and tests whilst you can
 
It’ll happen once hospital admission rise exponentially. If they do. It’s a stick or twist scenario. Many European countries aren’t going same way as Germany or Netherlands yet which suggest there’s at least some political hesitation
 
Brophs said:
In the queue for my booster. Around 10% of people not wearing masks in this massive, packed queue.

Also special mention to the woman a few people ahead who has spent the hour chain smoking and shouting into the phone to various people about how she won’t let people talk to her like that and listing all of the things she’s going to refuse to do if asked etc. I wonder what poor cnut, apart from those of us in the queue, is having to listen to that at 8 in the morning.

Still a solid 7/10.
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Infuriating, isn't it! When I was in my queue on Friday they came out and said that nobody would be allowed in without a mask, and they only had 20 they could give people who didn't have one. Cue loads of moaning!

We're almost 2 years into this and the need to wear a mask while having a medical procedure is taking people by surprise!
 
decorativeed said:
Infuriating, isn't it! When I was in my queue on Friday they came out and said that nobody would be allowed in without a mask, and they only had 20 they could give people who didn't have one. Cue loads of moaning!

We're almost 2 years into this and the need to wear a mask while having a medical procedure is taking people by surprise!
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That's proper weird, it's completely unthinkable that anyone would show up for his jab without a mask in Germany, and even worse, expect to be allowed entry.
 
decorativeed said:
Infuriating, isn't it! When I was in my queue on Friday they came out and said that nobody would be allowed in without a mask, and they only had 20 they could give people who didn't have one. Cue loads of moaning!

We're almost 2 years into this and the need to wear a mask while having a medical procedure is taking people by surprise!
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Tbf the centre I went to was excellent... everybody had masks queues were kept outside but undercover where possible and the queue maintained fairly good social distancing

That said with so many centres I'm sure there are good and awful examples
 
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