I suspect by the time it we all found out about it, it was too late anyway. Many people suspect they had something as far back as November 19. The world only started caring when the Chinese started welding people inside their own apartment blocks
SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)
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Wales have moved to weekly reviews. I expect them to require Covid passes for all hospitality soon. I’d prefer this over “Rule of six” though, which basically ruins Xmas socialising.
Now would be a good moment to stop all trains outbound from London and close the motorways...
OK, maybe we won't do that perhaps we should drop those window-dressing international border controls now.
OK, maybe we won't do that perhaps we should drop those window-dressing international border controls now.
Can anyone explain to me why there is no mask mandate at football matches?
Because it's outside?
Ok. Honestly didn't know that hordes of people standing shoulder to shoulder and screaming and shouting for about 90mins are safe just because they are in an outdoor setting.
Twitter reporting that the NHS England booking system is accepting booster bookings from 30+ group now (even though the message says 40+) It was expected to change on the 13th but it's not unusual for the system to change before the message does. May not be working in every region yet or offering nearest test centre etc.
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There's also an exception to the mask rules at events etc to say that you can remove a mask to sing. As things stand that applies to audiences at pantomimes etc as well. Not sure if it covers people singing along with the Christmas songs in supermarkets
Yes, it was. I checked yesterday but did not book the booster because I was unsure about why it let me. I will wait until they announce it properly.
There's also an exception to the mask rules at events etc to say that you can remove a mask to sing. As things stand that applies to audiences at pantomimes etc as well. Not sure if it covers people singing along with the Christmas songs in supermarkets
Really worried about this thing spreading like mad not just for healthcare sector but also small businesses, hospitality etc especially if no sign of furlough schemes returning
Although you can book, I believe it won’t let you book for a date sooner than your actual due date in relation to your last jab. I’m in the 40+ and booked just before that sector was opened up but the first date I was allowed to book was in direct relation to my last jab. Not sure mind you but that was the case for me.
Outdoor transmission is rare but you are right I think packed like sardines and also congregating in less ventilated areas + in certain areas then using public transport etc with this variant is asking for super spreader events to happen.
Unfortunately I think there will be pragmatic approaches regardless of how bad this things get to avoid the kinds of lockdown we've seen before because quite simply I don't see the public appetite for them, nor do the government have moral authority anymore on this.
Got mine booked in just now for before Xmas. Thanks for sharing this.
It's precisely why I think mask mandates are important. Much easier to make people wear masks and keep every activity open rather than no masks and then be forced to shut things down.
Thanks. Just booked. I got AZ back in March so was feeling very unprotected!
Cheers. Got one for this Wednesday a mile down the road.
Incidentally reddit are running updates on walk-in sites. Some walk-in sites are still only accepting 40+/6months+ whereas others are accepting 18+, those jabbed 3 months+ ago, and various permutations in between.
https://www.reddit.com/r/GetJabbed/
Postcode lottery, and maybe an element of luck about what you find on the day - which could be set by queue length and capacity. London in particular has options.
https://www.reddit.com/r/GetJabbed/
Postcode lottery, and maybe an element of luck about what you find on the day - which could be set by queue length and capacity. London in particular has options.
Just managed to book mine. Thanks.
Thanks Jo!
Cases have risen 50% since yesterday
A huge thank you for posting this @jojojo . I booked mine earlier and let all my mates know too.
Why are two jabs now seemingly useless - but a third shot of the same vaccine a game changer?
Is it just because of the timescale?
Is it just because of the timescale?
3 jabs are 75% affective at best.
2 Jabs especially the AZ ones are deemed to offer very little protection against the new mutation according to the earliest of data.
In terms of protection from infection the timing matters. Circulating antibodies aren't supposed to just stay at high levels forever - they're supposed to kill an infection then fade away. The booster helps keep circulating antibodies high, because that helps us right now.
However initial results (test tube, clinical trials and early deployment) say that it doesn't just get you back where you were after dose two, it does better. You get higher circulating antibodies, but you also improve the number and variety of the immune system memory cells that respond to the covid virus.
Again that's a normal immune system response. If we see a threat keep coming back, the immune system assumes it will happen again and prepares accordingly. The immune system also has a, "and things like that," kind of response, that helps it start turning out modified antibodies when it sees a new variant.
It's those memory cells that help to protect us from severe disease even if we catch it.
It's sad to think so many people have done the right thing in last 18 months. Had to work from home/shield and not socialise and see friends or family for long periods and got the two jabs when required yet if they've had AZ on both occasions it's basically all for nothing if exposed to the variant and then it's pot luck.
Just shows what a bugger this virus actually is. Surely it can't just keep coming back and back and back every 6 months, by 5th-6th wave it must be massively reducing in impact? Perhaps Omicron will turn out to be that wave in around three months time.
I think I put in this thread a while ago how my partner’s mum wouldn’t get the vaccine. Fast forward to now, she’s in the hospital and didn’t even tell my partner. She only found out because she hadn’t received any messages for a few days and rang a neighbour, who knew but was asked not to say anything.
I’m assuming it’s down to shame/embarrassment as they’ve had big arguments about it over the last year, but it really just feels like we’ve been waiting for this to happen for the last 12 months. You can’t help but be really angry at the anti vaxxers, who influence otherwise sane people and have massively negative impact on other people’s lives.
I’m assuming it’s down to shame/embarrassment as they’ve had big arguments about it over the last year, but it really just feels like we’ve been waiting for this to happen for the last 12 months. You can’t help but be really angry at the anti vaxxers, who influence otherwise sane people and have massively negative impact on other people’s lives.
That's really sad. Hopefully her mum will soon be on the mend and they'll have plenty of time to get over the arguments and enjoy talking together again.
The cruel thing is that it won't be the con artists and grifters who drove the misinformation campaigns who it kills and injures, it'll be the people who got confused or scared because of them.
I had to AZ jabs which both times (especially the 2nd time) made me feel ill for 3 weeks after.
I'm gonna have the booster, but if its the AZ again, I'm not sure how much protection that offers overall.
Which country are you in?
UK.
Some of my friends had Pfizer both times as did my parents.
Myself and my brother had AZ.
I'm fairly sure nowhere is using AZ as a booster. Also, I'm sure a few pages back it said the best combo was 2 AZ and 1 Pfizer, so once you've had your booster, you'll be optimal.
You'll get Pfizer or Moderna, unless you know you're allergic to one of the ingredients.
AZ + Pfizer looks like a good combination in trials.
Fingers crossed
Two weeks a go cases averaged around 43,000 a day, similar to where cases were towards end of December 2020. With the delay of severe symptoms, hospitalisations and deaths this is what has happened 2 weeks after both dates (28/12/20 and 28/11/2021)
Taking a look at the comparison of the situation 2 weeks on from each date:
11th Jan 2020 (Today's data*)
Daily COVID Hospital Admissions: 3045 (839)
Patients in hospital with COVID: 36,751(7,413)
On mechanical ventilation beds 3,363 (900)
*I've used the most recent data available. Of course the major difference is the vaccine. It will be interested to see what impact Omicron has on those numbers as cases climb.
Taking a look at the comparison of the situation 2 weeks on from each date:
11th Jan 2020 (Today's data*)
Daily COVID Hospital Admissions: 3045 (839)
Patients in hospital with COVID: 36,751(7,413)
On mechanical ventilation beds 3,363 (900)
*I've used the most recent data available. Of course the major difference is the vaccine. It will be interested to see what impact Omicron has on those numbers as cases climb.
Hmm, I was one of the early under 30s to get vaccinated (spares at the end of a day) - and it's been almost 6 months since I had my 2nd one. Is it already open for everyone who had it 6+ months ago (regardless of age?)
And this is why I can't dance on the graves of dead people.
I had AZ twice then Pfizer. Felt crap for a week after the first AZ shot, nothing for the second, then really crap for a week for the Pfizer booster. I'm in the minority though, most people I know have had very little reaction to the booster other than some fatigue and a sore arm.
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They’ve reduced the timeframe between 2nd dose and booster from 6 months to 3 months.