We still apparently have the rule here in shops but I've seen lots of people not bother for weeks now. It needs reinforcing how much of a hardship is it really in the big picture?
SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)
- Thread starter Don't Kill Bill
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Vaccine passports weren't used at Cop26
To be fair, the whole WFH seems a decent question. It seems so unnecessary at times to have people at an office during this season when a lot of them could do exactly the same job at home.
So we’re essentially rooting for the devil we know in the Delta Variant to defeat omicron’s invasion? But if the science tells us Omicron is weaker then we’ll be switching sides to Omicron
one of the greatest posts of all time!
Also, I feel your dad. It's annoying as feck, but much better than not have any vaccine at all. It's the best we can do, even if it is tiring. My problem is mainly that I don't see how we should overcome the current situation at all. We simply float from an okay summer to a horrible winter (this year will be even worse) and we keep repeating mistakes that should be pretty easy to avoid. I don't think it will end anytime soon...somehow thew new normal really will be the new normal for many years. Absolutely depressed by this thought.
Does this mean I'm bollocksed for the United game on Thursday?
My flight is 6:30 in the morning. Game at 8pm.
My flight is 6:30 in the morning. Game at 8pm.
I was going to go into an office to interview someone about a book I'm working on....probably will have to leave it until May/June.....2023 at this rate.
Vallance estimates about 100 days for possible vaccine tweak but taking up booster jab more important given it's in play which is fair enough for what is known so far.
I think with England dropping the legal framework for enforcement, the rest of the UK and individual shops etc were trying to push water uphill. I think when the rule returns, the majority will comply and then almost everyone will again - a lot of people just stopped because "no one else is doing it."
Probably take a mask and wear it. I get the feeling BCD will become a thing at some point in next two months, hopefully not for all of the season.
Yes I think you are right there.
I've been guilty with that. Religiously wore mask on a train for pretty much 12 months when day to day life restarted but been a bit more lax with it since getting double jabbed in early August especially if there's only 2-3 other people in the train carriage.
Not going to take chances this time so just have to respect the state of play again for 2-3 months and perhaps things will calm down again in March.
I’ve been at home since March 2020, no issue with it and company made it mandatory for most of that. There are people who have to go to a building and unfortunately businesses that are pushing staff to… if people have the option, no idea why going in and waiting for the Govt to tell them what to do.
My point was More about having an opportunity to ask a question/raise a public concern and itv guy raised two points same as BBC. I think both organisations coverage generally throughout this has been negative/glass half empty. The UK has double jabbed almost 70% of the population… amazing result from a standing start. And some of the 30% are people who could have had and said no.
That last guy said should the govt have acted sooner. What from finding out Thursday to today?! Idiot
I'm absolutely fine to wear a mask. But Boris is saying I'm going to have to quarantine for 2 days?
Tbf, pre the news of the new variant I’ve noticed a significant increase in mask wearing on public transport and in shops. Probably due to news of restrictions in Europe.
Where are you coming from?
If it's Ireland the answer is we'll have to wait and see. The rules for Ireland to UK were different to those for the rest of the world - basically there were no requirements for tests. If they stick to that philosophy then they might not introduce any rules, or might go halfway and ask for vaccinations.
Ah right, you coming from over the water? Sorry didn't hear/read that. Possibly contact club and attempt refund if you don't fancy coming to game given how short term this has all become again.
Yeah sorry, flying over from Dublin with a mate, then I'm taking the train down to London and the missus was supposed to be flying over on Friday morning for a dirty weekend and some Christmas shopping etc.
Already spent a fortune on hotels and the usual nonsense. This is going to be a bloody nightmare.
Would have to go back nearly 2 years for that!
It was his last ever post. He vanished after his right to having a pub Sunday roast with like minded individuals was indeed taken away
I liked the personal judgement and self responsibility of the past 4 months which I think a lot didn’t understand. I have a mask, or scarf etc at all times. If the train/bus is not busy and I can keep my distance then I didn’t wear it, if it’s busy and I have to be near people then i wear it or cover my mouth with my scarf. But sadly a lot of people missed that and so often on busy busses/trains No one would be wearing masks or covering
Well, the hospitals wouldn't be overburdened. There are only 19k active cases in the whole country.
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Where's "affluent"?
I think he edited the post, maybe @Damien can see.
He did but the edit history has been removed. Might be an automatic thing which happens after a period of time.
Not having affluent in it is like Caesar saying "I came. I saw."
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Was thinking about that earlier. A variant that is much more infective and causes much less serious disease is our golden ticket. Could end this pandemic quicker than vaccination.
I take your point with it being early to tell. With delta though it became obvious soon not just how transmissible it was but how much sicker people were in general with it, and in higher proportions of population being unwell in addition to increased hospital stays/ITU requirements so we'll see how this one behaves.
With transmissibility high, it should be easier and quicker to start clinically extrapolating from its cases. Which I guess might guide policy. With delta it was borderline criminal how slow we were to react to high number of cases in terms of border control etc.
Sarah Gilbert said a while back (after Delta was established) that newer variants would likely be less able to evade vaccines and less likely to cause severe illness.
https://inews.co.uk/news/covid-vari...-more-severe-oxford-jab-sarah-gilbert-1212744
https://inews.co.uk/news/covid-vari...-more-severe-oxford-jab-sarah-gilbert-1212744
If I remember correctly, I think part of the reason for the slow response to quarantine/travel restrictions with Delta was Boris was trying to get the trade deal done with India so didn't want to jeopardise that - in the end they introduced the travel restrictions with India weeks later than they should've. There's no such politics at play this time round so they've actually managed to take the necessary precautions without delay.
It’s amazing how things have changed so significantly in like 3 days. Not the rules, but general concern and outlook re. Covid. Here’s hoping that upon further data we aren’t talking about a complete game changer.
The reason this variant has so many experts spooked is that it’s a sudden, radical change. Twice the number of mutations as Delta. Which is basically what she predicted wouldn’t happen.
Still, though. I’m going to cling to the idea that this might cause less severe illness than Delta. That would be amazing news and the possibility will help me sleep at night.
Whilst it may have played a factor I do think it’s probably a bit OTT to suggest this really drove decisions I think? I think the concern overall about Delta was significantly less at the time, because of the nature of the changes compared to this one. I also think they just got it wrong and this time they’ve finally learnt. Maybe I’m being too generous to the clown.
I got told off for calling her a dick head for saying that. Seemed like a stupid prediction at the time and still does now.
Why do people believe in these so-called experts?
I think another reason to be positive is that whilst it is expected that vaccine ability to prevent infection may well be impacted, even significantly, there is a lot of people saying that they still expect vaccines to do a good job at preventing serious illness. It’s not ideal - but still potentially good news because whilst we may say cases rise (if indeed the worst fears are realised, there may not be an equally corresponding impact on hospitalisation and death rates.
I have a question for any vaccine experts. If the mRNA vaccines require tweaking to better target this new variant, what does that really mean in a practical sense? To what extent does that “change” the vaccine? I ask because for example the flu vaccine is changed each year but doesn’t go through trials and approvals before use, right (correct me if wrong?) to the same degree as a new vaccine each time. And I presume that has something to do with the underlying “base” of the vaccine remaining consistent? Obviously I know it’s a different type of vaccine to mRNA, but I guess my question is how extensive is the change?
The clue is in the dictionary definition of the word “expert”.
Here in Italy, mask-wearing has never stopped and I'd say there's 100% compliance where I live. You'd be challenged if you didn't wear one.
The government is putting some regions back in yellow measures (masks have to be worn outside too), but the main push is the new Super Green Pass - you basically can't do anything fun unless you've been vaccinated or have recently had Covid. The option to take a test to get a short-lasting Green Pass is being removed, except for going to work.