SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)
- Thread starter Don't Kill Bill
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the circle might not, but death numbers do
But death will surely just keep increasing if we can't get this under control?
Wouldn’t common sense tell you to keep to yourselves at least till you get a negative from the PCR test? How will you feel if it comes back positive and you’ve been mixing?
Saying the rules didn’t change till Friday is like getting off a charge on a technicality
If I had to guess I’d put my money on there being still a reason to wear masks. Covid will unfortunately still be here, it just keeps evolving. So the basic etiquettes won’t go away. I think we should all get used to it and get our Manchester United masks
https://apnews.com/article/coronavi...ca-amsterdam-1b344a86ff359a552aa5a64899a57ff7
Looks like this has been spreading for some time if these are the new variant.
Looks like this has been spreading for some time if these are the new variant.
if you make it impossible to spread, this will all go away in weeks
I suspect the horse has already bolted
What are you on about? I think you understood my message in this context. Is this some kind of sophistic bullshitting?
I don’t see how that can be done. You’re talking coordinated lockdowns across the globe with borders closed - and even then you can’t actually close borders because of essential goods being required. Zero COVID seems almost impossible with delta - if this is even more contagious and is already in numerous countries then we have no chance. We just have to hope vaccines stop serious disease which is likely - provided that is the case the strategy hasn’t changed.
Just requires discipline and co-operation, maybe a spoonfull of inscentive
My alcohol level
Going back to your comment in possibly not reaching the peak I wonder if we'll ever hit a peak. Like we'll have constant waves of this forever due to vaccine evasive mutations of this virus. So each wave will hit a peak of death then drop off then rinse and repeat etc.
I'm not bullshitting I'm just frustrated and worried about the inevitable consequences that are going to happen. Maybe this is only the start of it.
this is my fear as well...I guess we need antiviral medication and a lot more travel bans than we do have now. We won't get through it if we keep on doing what we did so far. We must rethink our strategy so far completely. Honestly I really fear that my 1 y o daughter will ever live life remotely close to what I had before covid. If this is "the new normal", it can't stay like this for years to come.Maybe not so bad .
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-59442141
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-59442141
I’ve booked for Cape Town and Umhlanga in December, not sure whether I should cancel - do you think Cyril will ban interprovincial?
I’d cancel if I were you, why risk it?
Nope, I don't think so. We need all the tourism income we can get. Alcohol will be banned though.
We couldn't un-ring the bell back in February 2020 when the very first two cases were found in the UK. It'll be the same with Omicron in November 2021.
Get ready for a bumpy Christmas. Or, more likely, New Years - since the government won't want to hurt the commercial sector too much over the next month.
Get ready for a bumpy Christmas. Or, more likely, New Years - since the government won't want to hurt the commercial sector too much over the next month.
Looks like they may now be asking anyone who has arrived from one of the red list countries to self-isolate for ten days in addition to the PCR test. No clarification from the government website yet.
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Might not
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Can anyone find the post about how the guy wasn't worried about Covid because he lived in a nice middle class area and eats Sunday lunch at fancy pubs ?
That was on here wasn't it ? One of the all time great posts.
That was on here wasn't it ? One of the all time great posts.
Think it's already been said but how quickly can existing vaccines be tweaked to deal with new strains?
Pretty sure it was said at outset it could be done in 6 weeks-two months but guess that was a bit over optimistic like most of the strategy in early 2020.
Was speaking to my Dad yesterday who had his booster a few weeks ago and he's getting tired of having to go to get a jab every few months so vaccine fatigue could become big problem if a new one has to be created from scratch to deal with this variant if outbreak gets really bad.
Pretty sure it was said at outset it could be done in 6 weeks-two months but guess that was a bit over optimistic like most of the strategy in early 2020.
Was speaking to my Dad yesterday who had his booster a few weeks ago and he's getting tired of having to go to get a jab every few months so vaccine fatigue could become big problem if a new one has to be created from scratch to deal with this variant if outbreak gets really bad.
Would have to go back nearly 2 years for that!
"like minded affluent individuals" or something. I'm pretty sure he did a Glaston style posting retreat after that but could be wrong.Worth noting how low hospital admissions are compared to 12 months ago. Shows how effective vaccination generally has been on the whole.
Let's hope the scientists can do their thing quickly again if this really is serious strain.
Let's hope the scientists can do their thing quickly again if this really is serious strain.
Boris announcing "temporary, precautionary measures" to slow down seeding of the new Omicron variant and to allow time for more boosters/vaccines to go out.
Case rates are fairly stable or rising slowly in the UK (mostly in school age children) but falling in the over 60s as boosters go out. Hence hospitalisations and deaths continue to fall.
New measures will include changes to testing following international travel (PCR test at day 2 and self isolate until you get a negative result). Masks will become mandatory in more places - presumably public transport and shops.
Case rates are fairly stable or rising slowly in the UK (mostly in school age children) but falling in the over 60s as boosters go out. Hence hospitalisations and deaths continue to fall.
New measures will include changes to testing following international travel (PCR test at day 2 and self isolate until you get a negative result). Masks will become mandatory in more places - presumably public transport and shops.
If I've understood him, then day 2 PCR testing for all arrivals & self-isolation until you get a negative result, face masks being re-introduced in shops & public transport & mandatory 10 day self-isolation for Omicron being implemented (even if you're double vaxxed). Booster roll-out also being expanded - not sure if that means under 40s but sounds like it.
PCR tests for all travellers returning to the UK within 2 days - and isolation until confirmed negative result
Isolation for anyone deemed a close contact to a new variant positive test
Masks in public spaces indoors and on public transport
Talks to widen booster jabs and lessen time between 2nd and 3rd jab
Glad to see the government being proactive and proportionate this time around
Isolation for anyone deemed a close contact to a new variant positive test
Masks in public spaces indoors and on public transport
Talks to widen booster jabs and lessen time between 2nd and 3rd jab
Glad to see the government being proactive and proportionate this time around
Masks in public spaces indoor but nightclubs are still open? What’s gonna happen now is everyone gonna wear masks at a packed nightclub
Fair enough for me. Assess again in early Jan.
I presume BCD will be inevitable at sporting fixtures in near future aswell.
I'm hoping these are precautionary measures & once they get more data, things aren't going to be as bad as they sound.
All sounds reasonable for now… two cases, sure they’ll change if numbers in this variant rise (and it does sound different… less of an impact from existing vaccines).
No issue with face coverings… I still wear them in all shops anyway, not really a hardship.
Supposed to be going to Sweden next week so had pcr test booked (need the ref anyway for the passenger control form). Been for a pcr test today also… hopefully clear and hopefully Sweden don’t just close borders regardless - double jabbed, pcr test four days before, pcr test one day after return.
No issue with face coverings… I still wear them in all shops anyway, not really a hardship.
Supposed to be going to Sweden next week so had pcr test booked (need the ref anyway for the passenger control form). Been for a pcr test today also… hopefully clear and hopefully Sweden don’t just close borders regardless - double jabbed, pcr test four days before, pcr test one day after return.
In Wales it is masks in most indoor places except hospitality
BBC and itv questions both about wfh and passports (looking for a headline/story) and asking about 17 questions.
”why aren’t you”, “why haven’t you”… as if they know jack shit compared to the scientists
”why aren’t you”, “why haven’t you”… as if they know jack shit compared to the scientists
Public transport and shops. In other words the places that the vulnerable can't avoid. The rule should always have been there in my opinion. Not really to reduce total case numbers (you'd have to go after hospitality, workplaces, sports etc as well for that) but to help protect people when they're doing the kind of everyday stuff that you have to do whether you feel personally safe, or willing to gamble, or not.
Definitely right to be proactive but two main things regarding how dangerous this is will be
- studies which should be upcoming/ongoing with regards to antibody neutralisations/real world data on breakthrough infections
- severe disease as a result (like it was in delta as we saw in India)
We do know its v transmissible which isn't great
https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com...-causes-mild-disease/articleshow/87949404.cms
The chairwoman of the South African Medical Association has said so far not seeing this manifest as severe disease just yet but not sure what demographic/patient profile the statement below is on
- studies which should be upcoming/ongoing with regards to antibody neutralisations/real world data on breakthrough infections
- severe disease as a result (like it was in delta as we saw in India)
We do know its v transmissible which isn't great
https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com...-causes-mild-disease/articleshow/87949404.cms
The chairwoman of the South African Medical Association has said so far not seeing this manifest as severe disease just yet but not sure what demographic/patient profile the statement below is on