Neither are a country.
First dose in NSW at 80? And when did they start administering first doses?
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Neither are a country.
First dose in NSW at 80? And when did they start administering first doses?
How do Austria plan to enforce this mandatory vacinnation?
if someone is absolutely dead set against getting the vaccine are they going to drag them out of their house kicking and screaming to the nearest vacinnation centre ?
I’m all for people getting vacinnated. I’m against enforcing it on anyone though.
if someone is absolutely dead set against getting the vaccine are they going to drag them out of their house kicking and screaming to the nearest vacinnation centre ?
I’m all for people getting vacinnated. I’m against enforcing it on anyone though.
If the y axis represents burden on hospitals then yes, sure. In heavily vaccinated countries it’s hospital/ICU occupancy (current and future predicted) that drives decisions, not case numbers. Lockdowns being decisions made as an absolute last resort, when all other NPIs have failed.
That wasn’t what you were implying with those “shit the bed” comments though.
Given that this thing is now endemic do we (the UK) have any plans to perpetually increase ICU capacity and train up more specialist nurses? Obviously the second of those'll take time but plans are in place yeah?
I am much closer to your opinion on how to handle things than the average person in here, and agree that the likes of Sweden have shown alternatives are possible (under some conditions), always have been.
But your shit the bed comments are just lazy, that’s still true if you change it to overly cautious. You’re making these statements in active ignorance of the local context. The exchange with Godfather about Austria demonstrated that: they shit the bed (unless ICU capacity is an issue), ICU capacity is an issue, oh well fair enough then.
The assumption that they would make this decision on cases rather than ICU capacity was silly in that situation and is silly in most. They understand the situation much better than you. At this point, no countries are trigger happy on lockdowns Austria tried to isolate it to the unvaccinated folks but things only got worse so they had to expand it.
The government keep announcing extra money for NHS facilities and staff. Unfortunately they keep announcing the same extra money and changing its name/job description. So who knows what they'll actually get or what they'll be able to do with it (as it keeps getting phrases like "alongside social care and local services" tacked onto it)
Can't agree with that at all and it's not the first time a vaccination is mandatory in Austria (and many other countries either). In 1948, we had compulsory vaccination against smallpox. With huge success too.
Oh right, so not really then - at least not explicitly. Seems like a no brainer.
but how are they actually going to enforce it and makes sure people get it ? And what’s the penalty if they don’t. Prison ?
The protest in Vienna tomorrow is gonna be nuts after today's news.
We'll see, there's talk of substantial fines. You could also "simply" cut those guys off of some of our many social benefits.
It's gonna be very interesting and ugly.
I also don't think we'll be the last country to do this.
We'll see, there's talk of substantial fines. You could also "simply" cut those guys off of some of our many social benefits.
It's gonna be very interesting and ugly.
I also don't think we'll be the last country to do this.
Just a question -
a person who gets Covid as a virus - he is theoretically vaccinated right at that point isn't he?
a person who gets Covid as a virus - he is theoretically vaccinated right at that point isn't he?
Not exactly and it's not considered the same in Ireland anyway. Once you recover you get a covid cert like you would from the vaccine but it expires after 6 months and you still have to get the vaccine.
Most will be - responses are inconsistent though. Where it works, it looks like that initial impact fades over the following months - at least in terms of protection from infection. The good news is that the vaccine on top of a past infection looks very effective - though obviously that's not the safest way to get protection.
Seems like why the vaccinated required a booster so quickly aswell.
To be vaccinated means to be treated with a vaccine, so the pedantic answer is no.
"Treat with a vaccine to produce immunity against a disease; inoculate."
What a person who has recovered from Covid would have are antibodies, although if I remember from reading the studies the number of these is significantly less than those who have received a vaccine.
Anyone thinks the U.K. might end up going into restrictions or even the dreaded lockdown in the coming months?
make proof of vaccination required for everything, even being out the house harder to enforce but spot checks will scare many. But for things like going to work, going to the cinema, restaurant, bars, using public transport etc quite easy. Also with constant lockdowns and restrictions people who don’t want the vaccine will give in, and others will turn against the unvaccinated.
Christmas is going to be a very hard time in England.
Personally I'd think not. I don't know very much though. My reasoning is simply that there's not much political will to do so, we're at 80% of over 12s vaccinated, boosters continue to be rolled out and the Molnupiravir (Lagevrio) pills will be coming online and promise to cut hospital entries by maybe 50%.
I guess there could be regional restrictions, but very much doubt there'll be a national one.
If hospitalisations cases are what determines restrictions and lockdown they’ve been lingering at the 750 mark since July.
What could drastically increase those numbers in the coming month?
1) More people socialising & colder weather.. I don’t know by how much social contact increases in Christmas, but will it be more than all the people mixing after “freedom day”
2) Vaccine efficiency reducing off on vaccinated
3) New variant
Covid will not go away, instead of lockdowns and furloughs to help people etc shouldn’t the money be spent on building icu capacity to deal with covid and respiratory viruses
What you say does make sense. As long as this fecker doesn’t evolve into a new variant for 2022 then I think we should be ok.
Unlikely.
Not impossible of course. Something could happen - an immunity dodging variant or a variant that attacked the young as aggressively as this one did the old. But, if the virus doesn't change that much, and the boosters work as well as initial data from Israel and the UK suggests then it's hard to see a lockdown.
You might see specifics change again. Requests to work from home reinstated. Sending home groups of school students rather than just those that test positive. More incentives/pressure to get vaccinated/boosted. But those will mostly be about navigating through Christmas and getting hospitalisations down again in time for the flu season.
Not great and a bumpy ride for sure, but it's hard to see why England in particular would go for a lockdown. NI might do - lower vaccination rates and lower past infections. Scotland and Wales might try to clamp down further but I doubt we'll see anything looking like last year's lockdown there either.
I dont know about enforcing things on people these days, guess it depends of a nation. During 90`s in Yugoslavia back then, when i was dunno 9-11 years old, people came to schools and kids got shots for some shit, maybe small/bigpox, maybe something else, no parents, no requirements for their permission, doubt they even knew before kids came back from school telling them how they got shot for something or were running hiding in toilets ( i was one of them ).
Reading last page or two actually made me wonder about scar i have on upper arm, i know its from some vaccine but reading about it now, its actually a BCG, its actually common for people from this part of the woods.
Reading last page or two actually made me wonder about scar i have on upper arm, i know its from some vaccine but reading about it now, its actually a BCG, its actually common for people from this part of the woods.
I reckon we're heading to a mini lockdown over the Christmas school break.
Actually, they tried that for an entire 4 days, I’d say that strengthens my point about being unable to trust that decision and instead quickly turn to the Covid standard for “overly cautious”.
What else did they expect in 4 days?
With so much grim data and news flying around right now, everything I read about boosters is massively encouraging.
Worth reading the whole thread. Includes a tweet from someone 8+ months after boosting whose antibody levels are still off the charts high.
Worth reading the whole thread. Includes a tweet from someone 8+ months after boosting whose antibody levels are still off the charts high.
With the Tories in power? Do we feck. Not unless one of their mates can benefit somehow.
In 1948 they didn't have the wonderful social media we all 'enjoy the benfits of' today.
America has approved to extend the booster program from over 65s and those with medical conditions to all over 18s. The most shocking thing about it is that 80-90% of the adult population already qualified under one of those two previous criteria 
You wonder how many more waves are coming tbh, don't most viruses die out by 3/4th wave and become increasingly weaker. This one certainly bucked most trends for last two years.
Can't stand this govt but objectively it's odd how the insistent rising cases were down to incompetence when it involves Britain doesn't seem to have been applied elsewhere. There seems to be much more sympathy for administrations elsewhere. And indeed sympathy with it's people.
When it comes to the UK it seems to almost be the impression it's what we deserve by electing clowns but looking at central Europe now the rising cases are presented a lot more sympathetically.
When it comes to the UK it seems to almost be the impression it's what we deserve by electing clowns but looking at central Europe now the rising cases are presented a lot more sympathetically.
Not in the Netherlands, people are blaming the government when its the people not following the rules by and large. A ban on new years fireworks is the latest excuse to riot, last years ban made no difference as people buy them in Belgium and Germany. For me they can reintroduce the curfu and let the military police it. There may be respect for measures in southern Europe but in East and west there is not.
Had to take my kid to a testing camp today. This one is run by the army. One of their lads had his mask on but kept pulling it down to talk to the others. In a tent with sick and coughing people. Brainless
Im thinking about doing a vigilante stint by standing in the supermarket entrance and asking non masters why they aren't wearing one. Then I will punch them severely until they see the error of their ways, this includes 70 plusers
Non-mask wearers always have an issue with social distancing too. Even pre-pandemic it's polite not to stand so close behind me we're one stumble away from becoming intimate.
The 'Domestic' bit on the NHS app is there for a reason. I could well see a hospitality passport being introduced for clubs, pubs, cinemas etc if cases rise much above 40,000 each day for a sustained period. I'd be fine with it. Like track and trace though, I suspect many venues will turn a blind eye.
That bit on the app is already used in Wales for this - no blind eyes appear to be taken though. I did hear of one independent cinema doing so but they've been handed a closure notice
And just as a reminder of what we're really talking about when we look at case numbers rising going into winter.
Thats a bold statement which probably applies to NL too