I hope you realize that this doesn’t mean she can’t give it to someone.
My original answer to her parents would have remained the same. Good on them for cancelling.
Good luck to you and yours getting through the virus.
SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)
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@The Boy i understand they’re friends, I still don’t understand why they’d let her go to your house knowing that she is positive and even more if they know that yours are positive and sick with it, hence that you will need to focus on your own?
Second shot of Moderna done.
I got a slight fever and couldn't sleep on my left side for 2 days last time, so I'm expecting much of the same now.
I got a slight fever and couldn't sleep on my left side for 2 days last time, so I'm expecting much of the same now.
1st shot of Pfizer done. Very slight soreness in needle site but thats been it for the 1st dose. Expecting the 2nd dose to make me feel a little unwell based on what friends hae told me.
i.e. a reason to not get vaccinated himself
Wrong. I've never claimed that, at all. I've already made it clear (several times) that vaccination is vital to get this pandemic under control.
I am interested tough as this is the debate that is being had in the group that i am involved in. Do you believe from here now, that natural immunity is a thing of the past, specifically in regards to covid and the long term future?
Nope but immunity takes generations to build up, so it would be a hell of a mess to go down that route with the tools available.
I was entirely fine on both so perhaps you'll be ok too.
Not to mention that it’s not an either/or scenario.
“Natural” immunity will happen regardless. Either in un-vaccinated people (where there’s a good chance they will get very sick in the process) or in vaccinated people (where they’re a lot less likely to get sick and mild/asymptomatic infection will act as a long-term booster)
I know which category I would rather be in.
It's like the old seatbelt scenario, if you want to drive without one then crack on but your chances of survival are greatly improved by wearing one.
The problem with the 'natural immunity' rhetoric/crowd is that individuals simply do not understand the capacity of their immune system to say whether they will get mild symptoms if they contract it. Plenty of anecdotal evidence to say they will be fine, but it's looking more likely that the specific crowd chasing 'natural immunity' is the control group now.
I don’t know why people feel the need to argue it past that point. It’s pretty simple.
Why would anyone think immunity can't arise from infection? Why would you even ask that? Vaccination works because it used the same mechanism but without the mass deaths and other health damage of actual infection.
You still haven't made it at all clear why you are so enthusiastic about immunity from infection. Until you do you will tend to look like some sort of anti-vaxxer as they (and covid deniers) are the only people who want to discuss this endlessly to try to justify young people (or more likley themselves) from getting vaccinated for some bizarre reason.
The simple facts are that vaccination produces the same or better immunity overall (and better still when the tweaked vaccines arrive soon) with far fewer deaths, far fewer people infected, transmission reduced, symptoms reduced in the fewer people actually infected, better economic outcomes and health services avoid being overwhelmed. And that is before the moral considerations of protecting those who can't be vaccinated or have a reduced immune response.
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My wife’s hospital system (there are 2 others in in the county - so these numbers aren't the whole story) had a peak of 546 Covid patients back in January. As of August 12, they have already had 304 cases. In January, 6.5% (24 of 546) of Covid cases at her hospital system were 20-39. This surge starting august 10 has 21.7% (55 of 254) of cases being 20-39. 40-59 jumped from 17.9% to 31.5%. 60-79 went from 52.4% to 35%. 80+ went from 22.2% to 8.3%. 91% of all current patients in this surge at her hospital system are unvaccinated (88%) or only partially vaccinated (3%).
…and our county sends 75,000 students back to school tomorrow morning with mask mandates made illegal by the state legislature.
…and our county sends 75,000 students back to school tomorrow morning with mask mandates made illegal by the state legislature.
What could possibly go wrong?
1st Community case since Feb here in little EnZed. I hope the govt dont feck around with this. I hope they lock Auckland down right away if they cant trace the case quickly. Im self employed and business has been really really good because we eliminated the virus. The faster we snuff out this outbreak the faster business can get back to operating at 100%
Tell me about it. The very rural county next door that only has 10,000 students shut down Friday after only being in school for 8 days. Why? Because they already had almost 1000 kids in quarantine.
I’m just curious for how long can people accept going on like this? Borders closed, lockdowns etc., surely at some point once a good amount of population is vaccinated you need to start opening up to the rest of the world? This virus is here to stay, unfortunately.
This is the first lockdown here in about 160 days. Life here is basically the same as pre covid and because the majority of us like that fact most people are wanting the govt to lockdown Auckland right away if the outbreak cant be traced quickly. We are pretty happy with our Govts response. We do have a plan to open up, thats going to start happening once we have the majority of the population is vaccinated which will probably be around December.
OK, straight into the strictest level 4 lockdown for an initial 3 days. No fecking around. Well done Govt. This will mean back to normal life earlier.
I hope you’re right. That’s not how things have panned out in Australia. The arrival of Delta in a country with incomplete vaccination and no prior exposure to the virus seems to be an absolute nightmare to contain, no matter how extreme the lockdown.
I hope I dont offend any of the Aussies but their NSW lockdown was hopeless in its restrictions. Ours is super strict. Its worked quickly for us in the past. the last time was for 3 days. Of course this new variant changes the game. Still looking forward to when i can finally get to the UK again. We havent had to deal with the difficulties elsewhere which on one level is a bit of a negative, the rest of the world has learned to live with it. We havent yet.
We are seeing another spike now.
Just reading about this and the case hasn’t been confirmed as delta yet. So you might have dodged a bullet. Fingers crossed for you.
' "I want to assure New Zealand that we have planned for this eventuality. Going hard and early has worked for us before," she said.
It has worked perfectly fine hasnt it, with 20% of the population being fully vaccinated. Is there a vacine hecistency over there or other reasons that its only 20% ?
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Supply issues. They used their first batches of Pfizer but have had to order extra and they are still waiting in the queue for the bulk of that.
They're one of the countries who had put in big orders for Novavax (still not approved, due to delays in getting bulk manufacturing up to speed) but won't see that until Q4 at earliest. They ordered J&J but that's still in short supply globally and is not deployed in NZ so far. They ordered AZ but by the time any was available for export to NZ, AZ had already picked up its "use with older age groups" warnings in Australia and elsewhere, and people had started asking for Pfizer by name - which is what the NZ government seem to be working on providing now.
We fecked around for 7 weeks in NSW not locking down very hard at all. Even now we aren't locked down as hard as Victoria or NZ.
Our right wing politicians fail us yet again.
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Offend? No chance. You are spot on. Gladys fecked this outbreak up good and proper.
Who is we?
The reason we have only 20% vaccinated is that we took our time choosing which vaccine and only gave approval for the Pfizer vaccine in Feb. Because of that we were late to the ordering of the vaccine and consequently lower on Pfizers priority ladder. We took our time because we were in a position where the urgency wasnt as acute as for other countries. The rollout has us as fully vaccinated as possible by December. Our opposition parties are arguing that we should have ordered vaccines before our medical systems approval processes and that we should have been vaccinated by now.
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They’re not wrong. You really should be vaccinated by now. A hell of a lot more than 20% anyway.
It really is wild the way the perception of threat to kids is perceived so differently on different sides of the Atlantic. A great example of what should be an objective interpretation of data being politicised to the extent that completely rational scientists interpret the same data very differently.
Wow...170 deaths reported :/
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Well, Tropical Storm Fred is headed through here now and we just might have to all crowd into hallways and classrooms to shelter in place for a tornado warning. Can’t make this shit up.
The Govts overall approval ratings have slipped a fair bit in the last couple of months, the slow vaccination rate being one of a few factors.
who can’t let go of their new found power?
The governments who keep out us in lockdowns. But I'm biased, having been in lockdown for longer than anywhere else in the world.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-57079577
Come on, Dwayne. You don’t seriously think that any government is implementing lockdown as some sort of power trip?
If anything, the governments that don’t push back against medical expert groups who recommend lockdown are being too reluctant to wield the power that comes with their role.
power trips do exsist. We have a minister-president in our country who has a large list of lying and he pretends as if he can’t remember them or he gaslights the answer. Unfortuntaly politicans arent all morally guided to act in the best interest of their people. We have many more examples (in our country) of politicans setting strict lockdown rules and they themselves breaking it either by attending a party, not wearing a mask or any other regulated guideline. I’m sure these examples are also to be found globally.
I want to specify here that I am specifically referring to politicans breaking the rules they themselves set a policy with consequences if not followed.