SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)

just saw that in America as they also unlock more, the rates are going sky high again.

Seems that in many places around the world, the aim is to unlock despite huge increases in infections.

Also a large number of people with two jabs are getting covid & it's happening worldwide.

Also reported is that people who haven't had any jabs but have had covid at some stage are choosing not to get jabs.

I have to say that after my first jab, I felt not great for 3 days.

My second jab around 3 weeks now, I've felt very poorly since I've received it.

Both Oxford.
 
LA county is reinstating mask policies when you're indoors. Obviously nobody enforces it, except the companies, so you're probably on your own.

Delta variant is spreading in CA and positive rates are increasing week by week. From the 10s to the hundreds. Also additional hospitalizations and deaths.

This surge was always coming via the delta variant, summer holidays, fewer to zero restrictions, and the total blending of the vaccinated and non-vacinated of all age groups/demographics.
 
Dumb questions incoming. Apologies in advance.

Im watching infection cases rise pretty quickly in the UK. I havent yet seen death rates rise anywhere near as quickly.
Given that a decent chunk of the UK population has been vaccinated and a nice majority of the elderly of the population have been vaccinated (all my relatives in Scotland included) do people think that this flare up will subside once it works its way through the population by xmas? Are those being infected, the unvaccinated or the younger generations and is the low death rate related to this?
 
Stack said:
Dumb questions incoming. Apologies in advance.

Im watching infection cases rise pretty quickly in the UK. I havent yet seen death rates rise anywhere near as quickly.
Given that a decent chunk of the UK population has been vaccinated and a nice majority of the elderly of the population have been vaccinated (all my relatives in Scotland included) do people think that this flare up will subside once it works its way through the population by xmas? Are those being infected, the unvaccinated or the younger generations and is the low death rate related to this?
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Deaths lag behind infections but given the high level of at least partial vaccination you would expect hospitaliations and ICU admissions (and then deaths) to lag more than before and peak at a much lower percentage of infections than before, despite it now being primarily the Delta variant. Nearly 50k infections a day is however worrying.
 
Here in Chile, things are finally going wonderous.

So far, 76.21% of the target population fully vaccinated. 85.11% vaccinated with at least one shot.

Nationwide cases positivity: 3,3%. Lowest since the beginning of the pandemic.

-40% in active cases in the last 2 weeks. -29% in the last week.

ICU occupancy at its lowest in a long long time.

Also, the results from a 6 month study of the Sinovac (the most used in Chile) vaccine has just been published.

Out of the 2300 participants, only 45 have contracted covid. Of those, only 3 needed to be hospitalized. No deaths.

Lowest count of antibodies after 6 months, so a 3rd vaccination is being recommended.
 
Penna said:
Italy is toying with the idea of reintroducing restrictions in some regions, including ours. We haven't had any "grand opening" here, as it's all been done at a regional level for the duration of the pandemic.

The only thing I don't want them to bring back is mask-wearing outside, which is awful in hot weather.
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There is a lot of talk about using the vaccine passport to implement the restrictions, so they would only apply to the unvaccinated and for everybody else life can go on as normal. That makes a lot of sense and there are a lot of people here who haven't had the vaccine, including over 2 million over 60s.
 
choccy77 said:
just saw that in America as they also unlock more, the rates are going sky high again.

Seems that in many places around the world, the aim is to unlock despite huge increases in infections.

Also a large number of people with two jabs are getting covid & it's happening worldwide.

Also reported is that people who haven't had any jabs but have had covid at some stage are choosing not to get jabs.

I have to say that after my first jab, I felt not great for 3 days.

My second jab around 3 weeks now, I've felt very poorly since I've received it.

Both Oxford.
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more fool them
 
George Owen said:
Here in Chile, things are finally going wonderous.

So far, 76.21% of the target population fully vaccinated. 85.11% vaccinated with at least one shot.

Nationwide cases positivity: 3,3%. Lowest since the beginning of the pandemic.

-40% in active cases in the last 2 weeks. -29% in the last week.

ICU occupancy at its lowest in a long long time.

Also, the results from a 6 month study of the Sinovac (the most used in Chile) vaccine has just been published.

Out of the 2300 participants, only 45 have contracted covid. Of those, only 3 needed to be hospitalized. No deaths.

Lowest count of antibodies after 6 months, so a 3rd vaccination is being recommended.
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You’d do well keeping all flights out for now. Everywhere else going nuts
 
George Owen said:
Here in Chile, things are finally going wonderous.

So far, 76.21% of the target population fully vaccinated. 85.11% vaccinated with at least one shot.

Nationwide cases positivity: 3,3%. Lowest since the beginning of the pandemic.

-40% in active cases in the last 2 weeks. -29% in the last week.

ICU occupancy at its lowest in a long long time.

Also, the results from a 6 month study of the Sinovac (the most used in Chile) vaccine has just been published.

Out of the 2300 participants, only 45 have contracted covid. Of those, only 3 needed to be hospitalized. No deaths.

Lowest count of antibodies after 6 months, so a 3rd vaccination is being recommended.
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Good news. What variants have you been dealing with in Chile?
 
Just got out of a meeting this morning in work (I'm an NHS manager in NI) - the Trust I work in are now basically trying to prepare staff for a third wave in August. We are all being asked to start doing Lateral Flow Tests twice weekly. The feedback from the hospitals here is that there has been a large rise in younger women becoming extremely ill and requiring ICU support - including pregnant women who are requiring emergency C-Sections to save them and their baby. It's getting very scary again here and the staff are all about ready to collapse (in fact where I work we have one team basically completely wiped out due to stress sickness and it now needs covered by the other teams all of which have at least 2 staff members out also). It's really grim and I've never seen it so bad here.
 
balaks said:
Just got out of a meeting this morning in work (I'm an NHS manager in NI) - the Trust I work in are now basically trying to prepare staff for a third wave in August. We are all being asked to start doing Lateral Flow Tests twice weekly. The feedback from the hospitals here is that there has been a large rise in younger women becoming extremely ill and requiring ICU support - including pregnant women who are requiring emergency C-Sections to save them and their baby. It's getting very scary again here and the staff are all about ready to collapse (in fact where I work we have one team basically completely wiped out due to stress sickness and it now needs covered by the other teams all of which have at least 2 staff members out also). It's really grim and I've never seen it so bad here.
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My fiancée is an obs and gynae Dr.
She was saying something along these lines yesterday (I think; she was speaking on the phone, I was trying to sign Mbappe on Football Manager). Anecdotally there’s a a lot of pregnant women who are unvaccinated due to being pregnant since late last year, who are catching Covid late in pregnancy and then getting pretty severely ill from it now, as they’re in the late stages of pregnancy.
 
Stringer said:
How bad an idea is it to head to London this weekend? The trip was booked a month or so ago but the rising number of cases has spooked me a bit. I would be avoiding pubs and restaurants and probably just do some touristy things such as the museums and art galleries. I'm in my late 20s and have had one dose of Pfizer with my second due next week. Obviously not in the vulnerable category but still would rather not be exposed to it before I have been fully vaccinated.
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You’ll be fine. The sun will be out so avoid the tube altogether. Sign up for the Cycle hire and just ride everywhere. London is a great City to cycle in and it’s cycle hire system is among the best in the world.

I’d be inclined to visit the smaller (and better) museums as the big ticket ones are all in tourist hot spots. There’s no real need to go there and you can have a better time without doing so. Happy to provide a few recommendations if you want them. Just let me know what you’re interested in.
 
gormless said:
My fiancée is an obs and gynae Dr.
She was saying something along these lines yesterday (I think; she was speaking on the phone, I was trying to sign Mbappe on Football Manager). Anecdotally there’s a a lot of pregnant women who are unvaccinated due to being pregnant since late last year, who are catching Covid late in pregnancy and then getting pretty severely ill from it now, as they’re in the late stages of pregnancy.
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That is exactly what's happening here yeah.
 
gormless said:
My fiancée is an obs and gynae Dr.
She was saying something along these lines yesterday (I think; she was speaking on the phone, I was trying to sign Mbappe on Football Manager). Anecdotally there’s a a lot of pregnant women who are unvaccinated due to being pregnant since late last year, who are catching Covid late in pregnancy and then getting pretty severely ill from it now, as they’re in the late stages of pregnancy.
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I think it's safe for pregnant women to get the vaccine now though.
 
If we did have to go back into some kind of Covid restrictions, what then would be the plan going forward?

Which pretty much all of those over 40’s will to have the vaccination, fully vaccinated and all the adult under 40 willing at lease has 1 jab.

surely it would basically be saying that the vaccines arn’t enough?
 
Nytram Shakes said:
If we did have to go back into some kind of Covid restrictions, what then would be the plan going forward?

Which pretty much all of those over 40’s will to have the vaccination, fully vaccinated and all the adult under 40 willing at lease has 1 jab.

surely it would basically be saying that the vaccines arn’t enough?
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Nobody really knows, the problem with the UK approach is that it defies all logic. Opening everything up and advocating for getting rid of the use of masks and the 2 meter rule while cases increase exponentially simply makes no sense. There's living with Covid and there's letting it run riot!
 
Traub said:
I think it's safe for pregnant women to get the vaccine now though.
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True, but many are understandably nervous. In particular the ones who are close to giving birth now will remember the early advice that basically said, "we don't know." We know a lot more now, because a lot of pregnancies have been recorded and women have (safely) had the vaccine at all stages of pregnancy.



Unfortunately at this stage the only advice can be to get vaccinated as soon as you can, and effectively put yourself in the clinically vulnerable category when it comes to meeting people. Easier said than done for most people.
 
jojojo said:
True, but many are understandably nervous. In particular the ones who are close to giving birth now will remember the early advice that basically said, "we don't know." We know a lot more now, because a lot of pregnancies have been recorded and women have (safely) had the vaccine at all stages of pregnancy.



Unfortunately at this stage the only advice can be to get vaccinated as soon as you can, and effectively put yourself in the clinically vulnerable category when it comes to meeting people. Easier said than done for most people.
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Yeah it's a tough one. My sister is due in 2 months, she got her J&J vaccine about a week ago. Her doctors told her any vaccine risk at this stage of her pregnancy is far below the risk and consequences of catching Covid. I'm glad she took it.
 
Massive Spanner said:
Nobody really knows, the problem with the UK approach is that it defies all logic. Opening everything up and advocating for getting rid of the use of masks and the 2 meter rule while cases increase exponentially simply makes no sense. There's living with Covid and there's letting it run riot!
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Ant that's what they're doing. I think they've pretty much decided that they can only prolong the next wave rather than prevent it, and that to have it now (in the summer/not contending with a flu season) is the way to go.

The vaccines work and offer protection to the vast majority, but the numbers they don't cover is sadly still more than enough to overwhelm health systems.
 
Nytram Shakes said:
If we did have to go back into some kind of Covid restrictions, what then would be the plan going forward?

Which pretty much all of those over 40’s will to have the vaccination, fully vaccinated and all the adult under 40 willing at lease has 1 jab.

surely it would basically be saying that the vaccines arn’t enough?
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They aren't enough yet because the entire world needs to be vaccinated otherwise we will constantly get new variants popping up everywhere that can potentially get past vac immunity. We are very far from the end of this unfortunately.
 
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https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-00396-2
 
11101 said:
There is a lot of talk about using the vaccine passport to implement the restrictions, so they would only apply to the unvaccinated and for everybody else life can go on as normal. That makes a lot of sense and there are a lot of people here who haven't had the vaccine, including over 2 million over 60s.
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Like in France, then. Hopefully it would spur on those who just haven't got around to it yet.
 
This is very interesting and well done to the WHO for pushing to find out the real truth.
It may just confirm the initial findings of Bat transmission to humans.
But there must be something making them want to look again at the evidence.

Something which has killed well over 4million people and caused countless misery, not withstanding the financial impact simply has to be comprehensively investigated, right down to the nth degree.

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19...rigins-including-audit-of-wuhan-labs-12357184
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Inevitable. And exposes the bullshit arguments about opening up somehow helping the NHS to better focus on non-covid matters. The exact opposite was always going to happen.
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Further evidence that we have not passed all 4 of the relaxation tests.
Come on Boris. Open your eyes to the DATA and not the DATE as you committed you were going to do the the whole UK public. And don't piss around with the health or safety of the public you were voted in to serve.
 
Buster15 said:
Further evidence that we have not passed all 4 of the relaxation tests.
Come on Boris. Open your eyes to the DATA and not the DATE as you committed you were going to do the the whole UK public. And don't piss around with the health or safety of the public you were voted in to serve.
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He's not on the Caf mate
 
Cases go over the 50k/day mark again in the UK. That's as expected and it's expected to keep rising, though it's hoped it will stop rising quite as fast.

Hospital admissions have hit 700/day with around 4000 currently in hospital. For comparison, during May we reached the point where hospital admissions were around 100/day and we had less than 1000 in hospital. Today's hospitalisation numbers are now higher than the government's statistical models we saw released on Monday were expecting to see prior to the next round of reopening.

I don't think we'll know much more about hospitalisations until the detailed data report appears. The key to the gamble was always, "can we keep the infections away from the over 70s" and "keep most of the infections in the under 30s" - so that's the data that will be watched more closely.

Meanwhile, the test system is getting overloaded (means results arrive later) and the solution to people getting exposed to positive cases and told to quarantine looks like it will depend on how inconvenient the message is.
 
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jojojo said:
Cases go over the 50k/day mark again in the UK. That's as expected and it's expected to keep rising, though it's hoped it will stop rising quite as fast.

Hospital admissions have hit 700/day with around 4000 currently in hospital. For comparison, during May we reached the point where hospital admissions were around 100/day in May with less than 1000 in hospital. Today's numbers are now higher than the government's statistical models we saw released on Monday were expecting to see.

I don't think we'll know much more about hospitalisations until the detailed data report appears. The key to the gamble was always, "can we keep the infections away from the over 70s" and "keep most of the infections in the under 30s" - so that's the data that will be watched more closely.

Meanwhile, the test system is getting overloaded (means results arrive later) and the solution to people getting exposed to positive cases and told to quarantine looks like it will depend on how inconvenient the message is.
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That’s not good.
 
Do you think they will stop reporting these figures sometime soon? If these figures keep going up then people will rightfully question everything again and any goodwill they had from the vaccine drive will be washed. At some point they'd have to have restrictions again then. Also, internationally, we'd be considered a parriah again like we were back in December/Jan

It will get harder to justify not doing a lockdown after a certain point but that won't go well with some of the people they told it's "irriversable" and probably give anti-vaxxers a big lift

Edit: I am not hoping they do, but can see it easily being something these twats would do
 
LARulz said:
Do you think they will stop reporting these figures sometime soon? If these figures keep going up then people will rightfully question everything again and any goodwill they had from the vaccine drive will be washed. At some point they'd have to have restrictions again then. Also, internationally, we'd be considered a parriah again like we were back in December/Jan

It will get harder to justify not doing a lockdown after a certain point but that won't go well with some of the people they told it's "irriversable" and probably give anti-vaxxers a big lift

Edit: I am not hoping they do, but can see it easily being something these twats would do
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I honestly feel sorry for people in England right now - you guys are fecked. I'm hopeful that our own idiots in NI won't just blindly follow and basically forget covid exists - our health minister actually seems to know what he is doing.
 
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