SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)
- Thread starter Don't Kill Bill
- Start date
Boris Johnson has surrendered to Covid – he should never be forgiven
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/health/me...orgiven/ar-AALN6eg?ocid=mailsignout&li=AAnZ9Ug
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/health/me...orgiven/ar-AALN6eg?ocid=mailsignout&li=AAnZ9Ug
Someone asked about the age profile of hospital admissions. The average age of those being hospitalised is now 46, down from 66 in February, and over 70 before that.
That's partly the vaccines reducing cases in the older almost entirely double vaxxed groups, and partly them reducing the severity of illness.
The great unknown now is can that pattern be maintained when case rates are so high. Broadly speaking the odds are that a double vaxxed person is unlikely to catch covid from another double vaxxed person. Not zero chance of course, but low.
Unfortunately vaccines aren't 100% so where the vaxxed/unvaxxed meet (like granny meeting grandkid or bus passenger or carer) those 90% effective stats still mean rising cases and those will translate into hospitalisations and deaths. We just don't know quite how many yet.
Incidentally I'm not ignoring those under 45s who are unlucky enough to be contributing to that reduction in average hospital admission age. It's just that those numbers are more predictable as they track the overall case rates and individual vaccination status more closely.
That's partly the vaccines reducing cases in the older almost entirely double vaxxed groups, and partly them reducing the severity of illness.
The great unknown now is can that pattern be maintained when case rates are so high. Broadly speaking the odds are that a double vaxxed person is unlikely to catch covid from another double vaxxed person. Not zero chance of course, but low.
Unfortunately vaccines aren't 100% so where the vaxxed/unvaxxed meet (like granny meeting grandkid or bus passenger or carer) those 90% effective stats still mean rising cases and those will translate into hospitalisations and deaths. We just don't know quite how many yet.
Incidentally I'm not ignoring those under 45s who are unlucky enough to be contributing to that reduction in average hospital admission age. It's just that those numbers are more predictable as they track the overall case rates and individual vaccination status more closely.
Wales has already managed to vaccinate around 90% of adults (at least one dose) and that's over 75% of their population, and are ahead of the rest of the UK on second doses as well.
For them it's now getting like the question of the old/at risk in the rest of the UK. Can they sustain their success when they've got England on the doorstep and tourists on the move. That's why they're also being relatively cautious on removing restrictions.
the Uk is basialy been made in to a real world test bed to see if the vaccines are effective enough going forward.
i don’t get the feeling anyone really know what is going to happen. Fairly sure it was a political and financial decision not “data” decision.
I guess as cases are rising at such a rapid speed even with the minimal current restrictions, so logicallin order to reduce cases we would need to tighten restrictions and probably even lock down again. Which I don’t get the feeling the population would accept.
So seems like the Government has gone F it let’s see if the vaccines work as well as-we hope.
i don’t get the feeling anyone really know what is going to happen. Fairly sure it was a political and financial decision not “data” decision.
I guess as cases are rising at such a rapid speed even with the minimal current restrictions, so logicallin order to reduce cases we would need to tighten restrictions and probably even lock down again. Which I don’t get the feeling the population would accept.
So seems like the Government has gone F it let’s see if the vaccines work as well as-we hope.
Or for the rest of Europe, as this epidemiologist/statistician working in Ireland suggests:
That would be a lovely analogy if we didn't have a big open border with them.
That cliff edge actually has a bridge that they can cross over here on rather than jumping off.
I’m just watching the news now and they’re talking about the England cricket team and how they’re all self isolating because 7 have COVID.
It got me thinking, surely without any restrictions or limits on people in venues etc, people from all walks of life this are going to get this quickly. If Premier League players get this in August, do they isolate? Do I need to isolate when I return to the office in a fortnight if I catch it? Is isolation futile and going to be scrapped?
It got me thinking, surely without any restrictions or limits on people in venues etc, people from all walks of life this are going to get this quickly. If Premier League players get this in August, do they isolate? Do I need to isolate when I return to the office in a fortnight if I catch it? Is isolation futile and going to be scrapped?
You currently still need to isolate but there's expected to be an announcement today on the change in isolation rules for double jabbed people.
To the average person like me it seems cases are going to go through the roof very soon with all these massive crowds anyway.
I’ve got tickets for Silverstone next week, if you’re not vaccinated all you have to do is do a flow test and then log in your own results to get a text back, think it was the same with euro Wembley tickets.
If you’re there for more than one day you basically need to do a test for each day, I have absolutely no faith in people leaving Silverstone on campsites etc while getting pissed and having bbqs to do an accurate flow test or even a truthful one to be allowed in the following day, they just need flow test barcode and a text message, once inside Silverstone no masks or distancing required. I’m pretty nervous about it all tbh.
For now it continues to be a self isolate if you're a contact rule. It's likely that will change to a testing policy for people who are double vaxxed - which will at least shorten the quarantine period, but might get rid of it completely. I'm guessing that change won't happen straight away (maybe September when most over 18s will have had both doses) but who knows.
@Wolverine @africanspur
What’s the NHS policy for vaccinated staff who are close contacts? HCPs having to self isolate has been a big problem in previous waves. Any plans to relax this approach for this wave?
Not sure what it is at the minute but the announcement today is expected to be that double jabbed close contacts won't be needing to isolate anymore.
When I read that earlier, I thought it does make some sense as a way forward for the double jabbed. No self-isolation, but take daily tests and obviously isolate if one comes back positive.
Found a pub near me if a staff member tests positive on a lateral flow the manager makes them take 4 more and whichever result “wins” is the one they take. So 2 positive and 3 negative he expects them to come in rather than go get a proper test to confirm 
That is mental. Any customers who get COVID should sue him.Found a pub near me if a staff member tests positive on a lateral flow the manager makes them take 4 more and whichever result “wins” is the one they take. So 2 positive and 3 negative he expects them to come in rather than go get a proper test to confirm
PaddyPower would be all over that.
I'm having my vaccination in about 15 minutes.
So from having no symptoms mainly other than no smell and reduced taste...I started to get body pains 2 days ago, then yesterday chest started to get a bit tight, and last night couldn't get much sleep in.
So drove myself to the hospital and doc says I got covid pneumonia, oxygen at 87%, so they have admitted me and awaiting medication while on oxygen.
Fortunately my wife is over her 14 days and is already doing better, so she can look after the kids now.
So drove myself to the hospital and doc says I got covid pneumonia, oxygen at 87%, so they have admitted me and awaiting medication while on oxygen.
Fortunately my wife is over her 14 days and is already doing better, so she can look after the kids now.
Ah hell. That's unfortunate. Stay in touch and get well soon.
Getting my first shot in a few hours
Hope you start feeling better very soon, @SirAnderson.
I hope you feel better soon.
What's this about?
What's this about?
Don't be silly. You get one of those with each vaccination and automatic updates through the nano chips in your bloodstream.
Ah I understand. Bill Gates is my master now.
In Ireland fully vaccinated close contacts haven’t needed to self isolate for a while now.
Although they’ve recently changed that to requiring close contacts of a “variant of concern” (basically delta) to get tested and self-isolate. One step forwards, two steps back.
Get well soon @SirAnderson Did you receive any vaccination, one or two jabs?
Yeah just confirmed but not until August 16th, double jabbed and U18's won't need to isolate after close contact.
Thanks. None sadly, still not available for my age group or profession, I'm a young'un.
It’s pissing rain today
Get well soon fella
Got my 1st dose Pfizer today
Slick operation here in NI.
Booked last night at 10pm, in today at 13.20
SSE arena converted into the regional vaccination centre.
Even got a free ice cream after!
Slick operation here in NI.
Booked last night at 10pm, in today at 13.20
SSE arena converted into the regional vaccination centre.
Even got a free ice cream after!
Covicream