SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)

[sullydnl]

Wait, have people claimed that? I thought it was fairly widely accepted that the UK's response was amongst the world's worst.

I thought so too but then their handling of the pandemic was cited as one of the key reasons people voted conservative during the recent elections. I'm not sure the realisation of how bad their government botched the pandemic has fully seeped in to the public.

Not having a go at @vidic blood & sand here and just using him as one example but this was his response when that came up at the time, which I thought it was far too sanguine given the reality of what had happened in the UK. People should not be making "they didn't do too bad" arguments at this point.

It's not been perfect, but you have to appreciate the fact that the situation has been unprecedented. Do you think Labour would have handled it better?
What has really disappointed me most of all is that the efforts of people who have kept the country going in the last year have largely been, disregarded. NHS workers getting a 1% pay rise, and very little mention of shop workers working through the pandemic enabling us to buy food for our families. When we compare the death rates with other countries, the UK is not too bad. To say it's been a shitshow is completely ridiculous. Dealing with the pandemic and brexit at the same time has given the government the biggest challenge any government has faced since the war. You need to put things into perspective.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

It’s hard to work out what Cummings would be hoping to achieve if he’s making all this shit up. Anyone got any ideas?

 

[jojojo]

It’s hard to work out what Cummings would be hoping to achieve if he’s making all this shit up. Anyone got any ideas?

From the sounds of him in the last few minutes, revenge against people he's fallen out with (Boris, Hancock) and a PR boost for Rishi Sunak. That said, I've no problem believing his stuff about Boris and Hancock. I'm more suspicious of the idea that Sunak is the cure.

 

[sullydnl]

 

[sullydnl]

 

[acnumber9]

I don't like Cummings and he is very much complicit... but a lot of what he is saying is very likely true and it's nice to actually hear it from someone who was a part of this whole shit show.

A lot probably is true. It’s certainly not unbelievable. The issue is why he’s doing it now when he could’ve done it sooner and helped save lives. He’s only doing it now because he’s not on the gravy train anymore.

 

[Brwned]

I don’t understand how when they hired him they didn’t realise he was always going to burn them to the ground afterwards. He seems a pretty straightforward character. I know they’re incompetent but seriously, how predictable is this outcome...

 

[sullydnl]

 

[sullydnl]

I don’t understand how when they hired him they didn’t realise he was always going to burn them to the ground afterwards. He seems a pretty straightforward character. I know they’re incompetent but seriously, how predictable is this outcome...

 

[Massive Spanner]

I thought so too but then their handling of the pandemic was cited as one of the key reasons people voted conservative during the recent elections. I'm not sure the realisation of how bad their government botched the pandemic has fully seeped in to the public.

Not having a go at @vidic blood & sand here and just using him as one example but this was his response when that came up at the time, which I thought it was far too sanguine given the reality of what had happened in the UK. People should not be making "they didn't do too bad" arguments at this point.

Well, he's a hardcore Brexiteer, so yeah, I guess it's not that surprising that he thinks the same government that fecked the UK out of the EU did a good job with Covid. Half the population could have died and he'd have probably still said they did a good job. I think outside that hardcore leave circle though it's pretty universally accepted that the UK's response was just bad bad bad. In fact it was so bad that Fine fecking Gael's popularity sky rocketed at the time by virtue of doing the basic things you should in contrast to what the Tories were doing!

 

[Brwned]

Well, he's a hardcore Brexiteer, so yeah, I guess it's not that surprising that he thinks the same government that fecked the UK out of the EU did a good job with Covid. Half the population could have died and he'd have probably still said they did a good job. I think outside that hardcore leave circle though it's pretty universally accepted that the UK's response was just bad bad bad. In fact it was so bad that Fine fecking Gael's popularity sky rocketed at the time by virtue of doing the basic things you should in contrast to what the Tories were doing!

Nah my impression is that more than half of tories think “ok, sure, mistakes were made, but mistakes were made everywhere, it’s an unprecedented situation” and, more often, “I don’t think anyone could have done any better, imagine if Corbyn got in” or “just look at the vaccination campaign, I don’t see those Europeans doing any better all things considered”.

e.g. just a couple of days ago

In terms of the govt handling - I’m sure there will have been lots of mistakes, as there were and will be in almost every country.

The reality is the Tories have gained more popularity while the pandemic was top of mind for most, so many people take the view that they are doing the best they can, far away from the view that they've done much, much worse than we should expect.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

Nah my impression is that more than half of tories think “ok, sure, mistakes were made, but mistakes were made everywhere, it’s an unprecedented situation” and, more often, “I don’t think anyone could have done any better, imagine if Corbyn got in” or “just look at the vaccination campaign, I don’t see those Europeans doing any better all things considered”.

e.g. just a couple of days ago



The reality is the Tories have gained more popularity while the pandemic was top of mind for most, so many people take the view that they are doing the best they can, far away from the view that they've done much, much worse than we should expect.

We’re over a year into the pandemic and all the really catastrophically stupid government decisions seem to have taken place in Feb/March last year. Since then, whether by luck or good judgement, the Uk is perceived as working its way out of that initial disaster better than most other countries.

They’ve certainly produced some of the best data on treatment of covid around (with no thanks to the government) and played a blinder with vaccine procurement/roll-out (with some thanks to the government) Recency bias will ensure that most people who live in the Uk have a fairly favourable opinion on the way the government has handled this.

 

[Brwned]

We’re over a year into the pandemic and all the really catastrophically stupid government decisions seem to have taken place in Feb/March last year. Since then, whether by luck or good judgement, the Uk is perceived as working its way out of that initial disaster better than most other countries.

They’ve certainly produced some of the best data on treatment of covid around (with no thanks to the government) and played a blinder with vaccine procurement/roll-out (with some thanks to the government) Recency bias will ensure that most people who live in the Uk have a fairly favourable opinion on the way the government has handled this.

Yeah I think that's a fair assessment. Albeit I still think there were shitloads of people backing the government's decisions in the midst of the crisis. Mostly through whataboutism but also generally just uncritical support, often in the name of "being a good citizen, supporting the country during a crisis".

 

[Vidyoyo]

I don't like Cummings and he is very much complicit... but a lot of what he is saying is very likely true and it's nice to actually hear it from someone who was a part of this whole shit show.

A lot probably is true. It’s certainly not unbelievable. The issue is why he’s doing it now when he could’ve done it sooner and helped save lives. He’s only doing it now because he’s not on the gravy train anymore.

Yeah exactly. I've no reason to disbelieve him and if you've ever been involved in politics at work you know you can't speak out at the time, only observe all the crap you're seeing.

 

[ClaytonBlackmoorLeftPeg]

Nah my impression is that more than half of tories think “ok, sure, mistakes were made, but mistakes were made everywhere, it’s an unprecedented situation” and, more often, “I don’t think anyone could have done any better, imagine if Corbyn got in” or “just look at the vaccination campaign, I don’t see those Europeans doing any better all things considered”.

e.g. just a couple of days ago



The reality is the Tories have gained more popularity while the pandemic was top of mind for most, so many people take the view that they are doing the best they can, far away from the view that they've done much, much worse than we should expect.

Taken out of context - this was a response to Cummings And what he was going to say.

In terms of the govt handling - I’m sure there will have been lots of mistakes, as there were and will be in almost every country.

not excusing it - and am sure that more detail will come out in time.

but when Cummings is the ‘whistle blower’ - it’s pretty difficult to believe a word he says.

The bolded is what I wrote in full. Which is what I stand by.

simply put, anything Cummings says needs to be taken with a massive pile of salt. this is a man who is blaming everyone else, despite being in a position of “unprecedented” (yes that word) influence for someone who was not elected.

that’s not to say, he’s not telling the truth... but frankly how would we ever know. Have we forgotten Barnard Castle?

I’ve not said they were doing “the best they can” - which is by the way, a bit of a strange bat to beat a govt with - as yes clearly they would be doing the best they can... (that’s irrespective of whether the govt. is blue or red) unless we subscribe to conspiracy theories Of course. I would make the same assumption with every democracy in Europe - each govt is doing their best, despite varying results.

Have they done worse that we should have expected? Probably. But what did we expect? We still know very little.

I certainly haven’t said look at the vaccination campagne or imagine if Corbin was in charge... it’s a futile exercise to imagine how another govt. would have reacted, with so many variables, it’s clearly impossible to hypothetically postulate what Corbin, Starmer or anyone else would have done.

as for the vaccination rollout, that looks to have been quite successful. Is there an issue in acknowledging that? I certainly haven’t been celebrating it

It doesn’t make up for other areas that should have been done better - track and trace being the most obvious example.

in respect of comparing our actions/ decision making/ death rates to our European counterparts, thats a somewhat petty political response from anyone that does so.

 

[Brwned]

Taken out of context - this was a response to Cummings And what he was going to say.

In terms of the govt handling - I’m sure there will have been lots of mistakes, as there were and will be in almost every country.

not excusing it - and am sure that more detail will come out in time.

but when Cummings is the ‘whistle blower’ - it’s pretty difficult to believe a word he says.

The bolded is what I wrote in full. Which is what I stand by.

simply put, anything Cummings says needs to be taken with a massive pile of salt. this is a man who is blaming everyone else, despite being in a position of “unprecedented” (yes that word) influence for someone who was not elected.

that’s not to say, he’s not telling the truth... but frankly how would we ever know. Have we forgotten Barnard Castle?

I’ve not said they were doing “the best they can” - which is by the way, a bit of a strange bat to beat a govt with - as yes clearly they would be doing the best they can... (that’s irrespective of whether the govt. is blue or red) unless we subscribe to conspiracy theories Of course. I would make the same assumption with every democracy in Europe - each govt is doing their best, despite varying results.

Have they done worse that we should have expected? Probably. But what did we expect? We still know very little.

I certainly haven’t said look at the vaccination campagne or imagine if Corbin was in charge... it’s a futile exercise to imagine how another govt. would have reacted, with so many variables, it’s clearly impossible to hypothetically postulate what Corbin, Starmer or anyone else would have done.

as for the vaccination rollout, that looks to have been quite successful. Is there an issue in acknowledging that? I certainly haven’t been celebrating it

It doesn’t make up for other areas that should have been done better - track and trace being the most obvious example.

in respect of comparing our actions/ decision making/ death rates to our European counterparts, thats a somewhat petty political response from anyone that does so.

It’s obvious they should have done better, that’s the point he was making. And I was just using you as an example of people who still want to equivocate, for obvious reasons.

 

[Vidyoyo]

Taken out of context - this was a response to Cummings And what he was going to say.

In terms of the govt handling - I’m sure there will have been lots of mistakes, as there were and will be in almost every country.

not excusing it - and am sure that more detail will come out in time.

but when Cummings is the ‘whistle blower’ - it’s pretty difficult to believe a word he says.

The bolded is what I wrote in full. Which is what I stand by.

simply put, anything Cummings says needs to be taken with a massive pile of salt. this is a man who is blaming everyone else, despite being in a position of “unprecedented” (yes that word) influence for someone who was not elected.

that’s not to say, he’s not telling the truth... but frankly how would we ever know. Have we forgotten Barnard Castle?

I’ve not said they were doing “the best they can” - which is by the way, a bit of a strange bat to beat a govt with - as yes clearly they would be doing the best they can... (that’s irrespective of whether the govt. is blue or red) unless we subscribe to conspiracy theories Of course. I would make the same assumption with every democracy in Europe - each govt is doing their best, despite varying results.

Have they done worse that we should have expected? Probably. But what did we expect? We still know very little.

I certainly haven’t said look at the vaccination campagne or imagine if Corbin was in charge... it’s a futile exercise to imagine how another govt. would have reacted, with so many variables, it’s clearly impossible to hypothetically postulate what Corbin, Starmer or anyone else would have done.

as for the vaccination rollout, that looks to have been quite successful. Is there an issue in acknowledging that? I certainly haven’t been celebrating it

It doesn’t make up for other areas that should have been done better - track and trace being the most obvious example.

in respect of comparing our actions/ decision making/ death rates to our European counterparts, thats a somewhat petty political response from anyone that does so.

Maybe I'm simple but I don't think you can draw equivalents towards somebody not holding themselves to account for past behaviour vs. blaming others for their's.

Psychologically speaking, ego rules and people rarely do the former, however it doesn't mean there's nothing to gain from the latter, which is often less twisted by their sense of self-worth (especially when they're outside of party politics).

Agree as well that the vaccination rollout has been a success. And thank feck for that because it's been The Tories only actual policy for the past 9 months.

 

[ClaytonBlackmoorLeftPeg]

It’s obvious they should have done better, that’s the point he was making. And I was just using you as an example of people who still want to equivocate, for obvious reasons.

If you think I’m being purposefully ambiguous. You are wrong - and perhaps, or should I say you are making (see I’m being forthright...) judgements that aren’t correct. It’s obvious mistakes have been made, that’s almost a universal truth. What they were, how grave they were, and what could have been done differently are judgements that will take time to process and to unravel.

I have no agenda, and if I did, I wouldn’t be promulgating it on here - I don’t have a want or desire to influence any opinion.

 

[ClaytonBlackmoorLeftPeg]

Maybe I'm simple but I don't think you can draw equivalents towards somebody not holding themselves to account for past behaviour vs. blaming others for their's.

Psychologically speaking, ego rules and people rarely do the former, however it doesn't mean there's nothing to gain from the latter, which is often less twisted by their sense of self-worth (especially when they're outside of party politics).

I wasn’t trying to draw equivalents - just to highlight that Cummings needs to be treated with caution - and the Barnard Castle incident was simply the obvious example that came to mind. when he tweeted about publishing the paper he holds, or auctioning it for charity Makes me think he’s got other motives in mind.

i completely agree that there is a massive amount to learn from his insight, however he like Boris seems to think he’s above the law and believes that truth is an Inconvenience. We won’t ever get a politically neutral version of the truth.

 

[Vidyoyo]

I wasn’t trying to draw equivalents - just to highlight that Cummings needs to be treated with caution - and the Barnard Castle incident was simply the obvious example that came to mind. when he tweeted about publishing the paper he holds, or auctioning it for charity Makes me think he’s got other motives in mind.

i completely agree that there is a massive amount to learn from his insight, however he like Boris seems to think he’s above the law and believes that truth is an Inconvenience. We won’t ever get a politically neutral version of the truth.

Ah fair. I do agree that he can't be treated without some scepticism - he'll have some personal motivation for this I'm sure.

I guess it ranges from wanting to destroy the reputation's of the current cabinet, to hoping to secure a book deal.

 

[Brwned]

If you think I’m being purposefully ambiguous. You are wrong - and perhaps, or should I say you are making (see I’m being forthright...) judgements that aren’t correct. It’s obvious mistakes have been made, that’s almost a universal truth. What they were, how grave they were, and what could have been done differently are judgements that will take time to process and to unravel.

I have no agenda, and if I did, I wouldn’t be promulgating it on here - I don’t have a want or desire to influence any opinion.

Yes that seems like another great illustration of equivocation. Let’s take it to one concrete example so you can talk about the mistakes that were made, why they were made, and what impact that they had. Or deflect some more.

Did the government initially follow a herd immunity strategy, then repeatedly lie about following that strategy after it became obvious it wouldn’t work out as they planned?

 

[ClaytonBlackmoorLeftPeg]

Yes that seems like another great illustration of equivocation. Let’s take it to one concrete example so you can talk about the mistakes that were made, why they were made, and what impact that they had. Or deflect some more.

Did the government initially follow a herd immunity strategy, then repeatedly lie about following that strategy after it became obvious it wouldn’t work out as they planned?

mate. Pick an argument elsewhere.

 

[Mihai]

Puts the claims that UK gov actually handled things okay (and the claims that herd immunity was never actually their plan) into sharp context. Incompetent liars.

I don't think anyone with more than 2 brain cells claimed that.

 

[Bosws87]

I don't know how much is true or untrue but im 99% sure the stuff about hancock is all true you can tell straight away that guy is a joke.

 

[11101]

He really is a cretin isn't he. Turning against the government like a scorned lover, forgetting that he was the PMs right hand man at the time. He was the one supposed to be advising him.

None of it will matter, nobody will care about all the awful decisions taken up to the vaccination campaign, where through luck more than judgement they've bailed themselves out.

 

[LARulz]

UK hospital numbers slowly increasing again but remain under 1000

 

[711]

Went to London for the first time in a year today. More 'normal' than Lancashire, busier streets and underground, but what really surprised me was the mask-wearing. I've been reading all year about people not wearing them, or wearing them badly, and wondered where this was supposed to be, because at home everyone is very good about it. Well now I know, London. It's full of people that don't think rules apply to them for some reason. Tossers.

 

[Tony Babangida]

Back in lockdown in Melbourne. Completely predictable, the Federal government is completely to blame with their shocking vaccine rollout and inability to take any sort of responsibility for quarantine. Utd losing and now this, what a shite day.

 

[Wibble]

Back in lockdown in Melbourne. Completely predictable, the Federal government is completely to blame with their shocking vaccine rollout and inability to take any sort of responsibility for quarantine. Utd losing and now this, what a shite day.

Original plan for end of May was 16 million shots. To date only 3.8 million given. Bloody useless.

How these utter incompetents are still in a job is beyond me. Since the last election what haven't they fecked up?

The bush fires should have been enough to make them unelectable but they still scraped in, largely thanks to News Corp propaganda.

Economic support during covid has been expensive and partly effective, but so piecemeal and aimless. The sight of large companies giving the federal covid funds they didn't need to executives as bonuses and shareholders as dividends, while letting sectors the Feds hate, like Universities and the arts, go to the wall is immoral.

They have abdicated all responsibility for quarantine to the states despite hotel quarantine never being a sustainable long term solution. We bought far too few different vaccines and only finally decided to buy some Moderna 12 months too late, which won't be delivered until late 2021 and early 2022. We have fecked up the distribution of what we do have with a lack of planning and assuming if we just throw money at Lin Fox because they have refrigerated truck that all would be well. Surprise, surprise that this was a disaster. For example, of the 26,000 people in disability care home only 999 have had their first shot.

Hundreds of thousands of Aussies trapped overseas with no support from the Government (not just the 40k who have registered for rapid repatriation).

They then announce a new gas powered power station at the cost of 600 million dollars on the day the World Energy Body warns against any new development, just to buy a marginal constituency in a NSW by-election where mining is a big employer. Followed by widespread power outages in Qld and northern NSW that would have been avoided if we had invested in renewables and battery storage. #scottyfrommarketing then just outright lies that our emissions are declining. Proof? #scottyfrommarketing said so. And the government has stopped giving out information ion anything they don't want us to know about and walk out of press conferences if questioned.

What else? Dutton banning the military from promoting diversity in the military. The tsunami of sexual assault, rape, gender related bullying and associated issues that seem to infect the Feds and their constituent parties? Spending billions to hold a handful of brown people in third world gulags indefinably, despite most of them being genuine refugees?

The list goes on and it sickens me. Can you tell that I'm pissed off? And I like Albo, a decent bloke but why are Labor letting the government have a free ride on so many things?

The only good things is that this might give some of those who are at the just lazy section of the vaccine hesitancy demographic will get motivated to get the jab. Particularly those over 50 who can get the AZ vaccine of which we have more than enough. So far I have seen 1 TV adverts promoting vaccination and nothing from the feds such as press conferences or media appearance urging people to get vaccinated. This makes me suspect that supply is even worse than we fear (and how would be know as it has became a state secret?). Luckily Hamilton The Musical is being advertised heavily so the TV and Ad industries haven't been totally forgotten.

 

[Cooksen]

Original plan for end of May was 16 million shots. To date only 3.8 million given. Bloody useless.

How these utter incompetents are still in a job is beyond me. Since the last election what haven't they fecked up?

The bush fires should have been enough to make the unelectable but they still scraped in, largely thanks to News Corp propaganda.

Economic support during covid has been expensive and partly effective, but so piecemeal and aimless. The sight of large companies giving the federal covid funds they didn't need to executives as bonuses and shareholders as dividends, while letting sectors the Feds hate, like Universities and the arts, go to the wall, is immoral.

They have abdicated all responsibility for quarantine to the states despite hotel quarantine never being a sustainable long term solution. We bought far too few different vaccines and only finally decided to buy some Moderna 12 months too late, which won't be delivered until late 2021 and early 2022. We have fecked up the distribution of what we do have with a lack of planning and assuming if we just throw money at Lin Fox because they have refrigerated truck that all would be well. Surprise, surprise that this was a disaster. For example, of the 26,000 people in disability care home only 999 have had their first shot.

Hundreds of thousands of Aussies trapped overseas with no support from the Government (not just the 40k who have registered for rapid repatriation).

They then announce a new gas powered power station at the cost of 600 million dollars on the day the World Energy Body warns against any new development, just to buy a marginal constituency in a NSW by-election where mining is a big employer. Followed by widespread power outages in Qld and northern NSW that would have been avoided if we had invested in renewables and battery storage. #scottyfrommarketing then just outright lies that our emissions are declining. Proof? #scottyfrommarketing said so. And the government has stopped giving out information ion anything they don't want us to know about and walk out of press conferences if questioned.

What else? Dutton banning the military from promoting diversity in the military. The tsunami of sexual assault, rape, gender related bullying and associated issues that seem to infect the Feds and their constituent parties? Spending billions to hold a handful of brown people in third world gulags indefinably, despite most of them being genuine refugees?

The list goes on and it sickens me. Can you tell that I'm pissed off? And I like Albo, a decent bloke but why are Labor letting the government have a free ride on so many things?

The only good things is that this might give some of those who are at the just lazy section of the vaccine hesitancy demographic will get motivated to get the jab. Particularly those over 50 who can get the AZ vaccine of which we have more than enough. So far I have seen 1 TV adverts promoting vaccination and nothing from the feds. Luckily Hamilton The Musical is being advertised heavily so the TV and Ad industries haven't been totally forgotten.

Albo is stepping up the attacks but the media is just not reporting him, out of sight and out of mind.

Am pissed off at scotty though, bloke has never taken any responblity for anything during Covid.

 

[Tony Babangida]

That is so true, I’ve seen 1000x more adverts for Hamilton than for getting vaccinated.

 

[Wednesday at Stoke]

Just caught up with the Cummings testimony and this quite honestly he reminds me of Saul Goodman.

 

[11101]

Yeah exactly. I've no reason to disbelieve him and if you've ever been involved in politics at work you know you can't speak out at the time, only observe all the crap you're seeing.

In his case, he was supposed to be the one doing it all. He was the PMs Chief Advisor and he's trying to make out like he was sitting on the sidelines observing. It's as much his fault as anybody's.

 

[Cooksen]

At least managed to get a slab of piss and some TP last night before all the panic buying in Melbourne.

 

[Massive Spanner]

How is the vaccine rollout so bad in Oz? Shortages of supply? Don't you have an amazing healthcare system?

 

[jojojo]

Encouraging small scale study on ongoing protection following covid infections and covid vaccines. Antibody levels reduce dramatically in the first 3-6 months following vaccination or infection, but B cells continue to remember the infection, ready to fight it again.
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/05/26/...y-vaccines.html#click=https://t.co/veputtvOdz

Early days of course, timewise and mutation wise, and this is a difficult study to run (needs trialists to give bone marrow) but it's the kind of news we were hoping to hear.

 

[Cooksen]

How is the vaccine rollout so bad in Oz? Shortages of supply? Don't you have an amazing healthcare system?

The Australian govenment placed all its eggs in one basket (The AZ shot, which incidentally was due to be manufactured here by a company owned in part by a Liberal Party MP), then when all the issues with AZ were announced which along with Scotty saying "just wait til we get Pizfer" and "Its not a race to get vaccinated" along with Murdoch press manipulating boomers meant a lot of vaccines have been wasted. But at the start there was a short supply, Australia could have had a wide varity but just went all in on 1

Add on top the current federal govenment palmed off their constitutional responblity to the states for quarantine as well.



My local MP who is going hammer and tong at Scotty from Marketing



The Labor party leader also going after the govenment.

Scotty makes Bojo look competent.

 

[africanspur]

How is the vaccine rollout so bad in Oz? Shortages of supply? Don't you have an amazing healthcare system?

Seems to be a mixture of betting too heavily on a couple of horses (AZ and UQ), not buying enough doses and perhaps a bit of lack of urgency with how normal life is over there.

 

[Cooksen]

Seems to be a mixture of betting too heavily on a couple of horses (AZ and UQ), not buying enough doses and perhaps a bit of lack of urgency with how normal life is over there.

There has been a spike in getting them this week though, baby boomers here have suddenly found out that this virus is not going to pander for their needs.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

Encouraging small scale study on ongoing protection following covid infections and covid vaccines. Antibody levels reduce dramatically in the first 3-6 months following vaccination or infection, but B cells continue to remember the infection, ready to fight it again.
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/05/26/...y-vaccines.html#click=https://t.co/veputtvOdz

Early days of course, timewise and mutation wise, and this is a difficult study to run (needs trialists to give bone marrow) but it's the kind of news we were hoping to hear.

That’s a good read. Nice explanation to counter the hysteria around antibody levels dropping after infection.

Antibody levels in these individuals dropped rapidly four months after infection and continued to decline slowly for months afterward — results that are in line with those from other studies.

Some scientists have interpreted this decrease as a sign of waning immunity, but it is exactly what’s expected, other experts said. If blood contained high quantities of antibodies to every pathogen the body had ever encountered, it would quickly transform into a thick sludge.