Is the vaccine hesitancy specific to certain brands or in general?
SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)
- Thread starter Don't Kill Bill
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Is the vaccine hesitancy specific to certain brands or in general?
The political sitiation here has been very tense over the past two years, and Pfizer and CoronaVac somehow represent the US and China respectively.
When Pfizer was approved in the west, the pro-China campaign (the government included) kept defaming its safety and exaggerating its side effects (e.g. the Norway incident). This was because CoronaVac lacked data and showed poor efficacy, and this was their way to lure people to take the CoronaVac.
Unfortunately, this made people become overly worried about the adverse effects and things didn't go as they planned. Instead of taking the CoronaVac, people decide not to take any vaccine. As a healthcare professional I really hate to see this, but there's nothing I can do and this is the reality.
Plot twist in Ireland. Ransomware attack on health service IT systems has completely crippled them. What manner of Cnut does this during a pandemic?!
I know someone who consults in the HSE in their IT department and he says their software infrastructure is ancient and incredibly convoluted and all over the place, and any attempts to update it or modernise it have always been met with shitloads of budgetary opposition and endless pissing about and it never goes anywhere, so I'm not surprised. Absolute disaster for it to happen right now, though.
Sounds about right. When I was an intern we were paid half time per hour, then nothing above a certain weekly cap. So they figured they could save money by getting us interns to streak piss samples onto dozens of agar plates during 72 hour weekend on call shifts, as it would cost more to pay for a lab technician to do it instead. HSE management have always been a shower of useless, tight-fisted cnuts.
Jesus Christ
And here's poor Paul Reid only on his €400k a year!
Which is 50% more than his equivalent in the UK!
Any idea what the 5pm press conference is about? Makes me worry they'll announce a road map delay or something.
Delayed by half an hour.
I'm having my first jab of Pfizer tomorrow...I'm 34 and healthy
I'm having my first jab of Pfizer tomorrow...I'm 34 and healthy
With this government I think if that were the case it would have been leaked earlier today at the very least. Common sense says something needs to change with what's going on in Bolton but who knows.
Maybe a local lockdown there.
My take on what they said:
Indian Variant is on the up in the UK, especially some NW areas...at present, not enough to stop the May 17th step.
It seems possible that that the June 21st opening could be delayed...
12 weeks gap between doses cut to 8 weeks.
Indian Variant is on the up in the UK, especially some NW areas...at present, not enough to stop the May 17th step.
It seems possible that that the June 21st opening could be delayed...
12 weeks gap between doses cut to 8 weeks.
Does the decrease in time between 1st and 2nd jabs delay the under 40s getting their first one given there is only a finite supply?
By the time June 21st comes nobody will be paying attention to restrictions anyway so they are deluded if they think anyone would listen if they delay the grand reopening.
By the time June 21st comes nobody will be paying attention to restrictions anyway so they are deluded if they think anyone would listen if they delay the grand reopening.
Looking at the info I've seen (all from this thread in fairness, and the tone/whats being said today, I fully expect June 21st plans to be delayed by a month...masks and distancing will remain longer
It shouldn't have much impact because most over 50s had Astrazeneca for the first dose and the under 40s will be having Pfizer/Moderna.
I expect UK infection numbers to explode. You can’t tell me that families haven’t been getting together for Eid.
There’s no way he’s announced June could be delayed if June wasn’t going to be delayed. They already know it’s more transmissible in my opinion. Delaying India going on the red list because Boris still wanted to travel there for a trade deal was a shit idea - who could have known? You have to just hold your head in your hands as Glasgow bans people leaving the area to try and stop the spread yet we did feck all when it was 5000 miles away.
Pardon my ignorance but what is Eid ?
The Muslim religious festival for breaking fast.
I suspected originally that 21 June was never going to be full lifting of restrictions - he just said that to keep morale up with the elections coming - of course, he waited till after the elections to say this
Some reports are suggesting that this Indian variant could be 60% more transmissible than the Kent Variant. We are in for a pretty grim summer if that’s true.
I see this thread is as optimistic as the other one I visit.
Why? Most, if not all, will have had their first dose by the end of June. Reduction in hospitalisation is a clear trend from the data earlier this year.
Even with the higher transmissibility, surely having our most vulnerable fully vaccinated should provide a barrier to the NHS being overloaded? Or am I grasping at straws?
SAGE are saying at least 50% based on known data BUT important to caveat they don’t know number of imported cases and whether the communities it is currently spreading in would translate across the country. Minutes below but it does make very grim reading.
Does it really matter if most are vaccinated?
Genuine question, where are you from?
Even the best vaccines used against the least resistant variants will result in a spike in cases as society opens up again. So a significant increase in transmissibility could move the needle enough to cause a big wave. That’s the concern anyway. And if this is also partially vaccine resistant (which seems likely) then the prognosis looks worse.
It’s not a doomsday scenario though. Just means the current restrictions will need to stay in place longer.
Exactly. Reduction in deaths, hospitalisations, illness and transmission from the vaccine. Those who won't be vaccinated will likely be by choice or young enough to not be affected/care. I know not everyone who gets vaccinated is fully protected but can't shield everyone forever to protect a very small minority.
I think there's no data on this yet but anecdotally I know a crazy number of young people with severe illness here in India. I have a good friend/work colleague mid 30s who is probably not going to make it, he is in intensive care..
I hope we get some data that shows that it's just a function of so many infections that young people with severe illness seems more common. The data in India is sketchy and we don't really know much yet.
Aren't South Asians more susceptible anyway due to our diabetes/cholesterol/BP?
Think its a stretch to compare India's infrastructure and quality of life/Health Care to the UK.
Never mind the vast amount of people difference, just have to wait and see.
Never mind the vast amount of people difference, just have to wait and see.
Minimal data out there, but this is interesting from the FT on the Indian variant and the impact of speeding up their vaccination programme for the over 60s.
You've mentioned the problem - minimal data. We're barely doing any sequencing to find out which strains are dominating in which regions.Minimal data out there, but this is interesting from the FT on the Indian variant and the impact of speeding up their vaccination programme for the over 60s.
That will definitely happen. Even if only 1 in 1000 healthy young people end up in ICU when you have uncontrolled exponential spread you can quickly end up with hundreds of thousands infected and hundreds of ICU beds full of people you wouldn’t expect to be severely affected.
Sure I read the other day the Kent virus had all but died out now and was no longer considered a threat by scientists, that surely is at least promising given how deadly it was in general circulation less than six months back and we were in depths of winter with little vaccinated in those times.
Or was that the South African variant, I lose track with all the ones declared.
As Whitty said in the press conference just have to see the state of play at end of May to properly draw conclusions.
Or was that the South African variant, I lose track with all the ones declared.
As Whitty said in the press conference just have to see the state of play at end of May to properly draw conclusions.
The Kent variant is the dominant strain in the UK, certainly hasn't died out.
I know I am being optimistic here, but my hope is that the Indian variant impact in the UK is not as large because of our vaccine numbers. I fully anticipate a rise but so long as it's among the unvaccinated, there is some comfort that the vaccine roll-out can continue in effectiveness and spread can really be controlled. The data in the UK suggested it's mostly among younger people who aren't yet vaccinated.
Apologies, certainly don't want to spread disinformation on here.
Got it wrong, it was "Liverpool" variant (cue jokes) that had been declare extinct two weeks ago but can't remember that being made out to be a massive danger.
https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/what-the-coronavirus-pandemic-endgame-might-look-like-980768