SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)

Massive Spanner said:
I agree about the most vulnerable completely but.. that's not limited to schools is it? There are plenty of other vulnerable people in society stuck at home right now. My point was that what you want open really is selfish for everyone including you. Schools are the best thing to be open for you. It's all just justifying them being open over other important things in order to make us feel better at the end of the day isn't it?
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I’ve literally just explained to you why it’s important for school to stay open for reasons that don’t benefit me at all. Imagine you’re arguing with a sterile robot. The points remain just as valid. Society needs to identify priorities and - unlucky for you but lucky for me - doing our best to stop underprivileged kids falling by the wayside is deemed important enough for us to put up with a few months pause on construction (never mind haircuts, pints or shopping).

I think I've already made it clear that I don't expect us to open up like we did in December, if I haven't then sorry but I thought that was obvious. To me opening up means removing county wide (not country wide) restrictions, sending more people back to work and allowing some sort of outdoor dining in the summer months as long as the venue's have good measures in place. I don't think doing that would cause cases to rise as exponentially as they did in winter. If it fails, go back into level 5 and everyone, me included will hopefully then realize that we'll just have to stay here til at least September and so be it.
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Look at the number we have now. Look at how quickly they went south over winter. At the very least you can surely see why loosening restrictions right now would be a hell of a ballsy move, right?

For what it’s worth, I could get on board with getting rid of the 5k limit and getting outdoor sports going again. Everyone is so broken now that giving them something to look forward to, day by day, might actually improve compliance. Whether that’s a game of hurling or tennis or a long walk in the countryside. It’s by no means an obvious call though. In fact it’s a huge risk.

I only got into this back and forth with you because I disagree that our pandemic has somehow been uniquely badly managed. Our location and links to the UK put us at the epicentre of a horrendous epidemic and there hasn’t been any easy decisions. So I can’t get on board with the idea that any of them have been obviously incorrect.

My pet peeves have been how long it’s taken to set up hotel quarantine and the closure of outdoor sports. Other than that, there’s been no obvious terrible calls. We’ve just had a tonne of bad luck with stupid poxy uk variant and our cultural inclination for indoor socialising (i.e. boozing) which is the worst possible national hobby to have during a pandemic!
 
Massive Spanner said:
I think I've already made it quite clear that we are being ridiculously restrictive for the sake of opening the school's up even though it's pretty obvious by now the schools are a worse transmitter than outdoor dining, retail, hairdressers etc. Just look at construction, 10k homes will not be built now this year if it's not opened up which would be an absolute disaster.

I also think that if people are already all breaking the restrictions then what more harm can actually be done by opening up some things within the county limit?

Yes the new variant is a bitch, I totally understand that, but we've spent 3 months in lockdiwn getting hospital admissions way, way down to a good level yet here we still are in the same position so what do we do here? Dublin has been in level 5 for 27 out of the last 29 fecking weeks!
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I hear ye. I have my 2 kids off. Wasn’t happy with the numbers locally, just not going down. We will have them on our backs soon. I will send them back once it’s safe or once I get my vaccine, whatever’s first. I have a feeling it’ll get closed again after Easter, you know every muppet is going to be doing something.
every day I look out the window and see drunken groups of young ones, as young as 10,11, 12, drunken, girls and boys. You just wanna bash your head off a rock
 
Pogue Mahone said:
I’ve literally just explained to you why it’s important for school to stay open for reasons that don’t benefit me at all. Imagine you’re arguing with a sterile robot. The points remain just as valid. Society needs to identify priorities and - unlucky for you but lucky for me - doing our best to stop underprivileged kids falling by the wayside is deemed important enough for us to put up with a few months pause on construction (never mind haircuts, pints or shopping).



Look at the number we have now. Look at how quickly they went south over winter. At the very least you can surely see why loosening restrictions right now would be a hell of a ballsy move, right?

For what it’s worth, I could get on board with getting rid of the 5k limit and getting outdoor sports going again. Everyone is so broken now that giving them something to look forward to, day by day, might actually improve compliance. Whether that’s a game of hurling or tennis or a long walk in the countryside. It’s by no means an obvious call though. In fact it’s a huge risk.

I only got into this back and forth with you because I disagree that our pandemic has somehow been uniquely badly managed. Our location and links to the UK put us at the epicentre of a horrendous epidemic and there hasn’t been any easy decisions. So I can’t get on board with the idea that any of them have been obviously incorrect.

My pet peeves have been how long it’s taken to set up hotel quarantine and the closure of outdoor sports. Other than that, there’s been no obvious terrible calls. We’ve just had a tonne of bad luck with stupid poxy uk variant and our cultural inclination for indoor socialising (i.e. boozing) which is the worst possible national hobby to have during a pandemic!
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At some stage soon we should have all our over 70s, frontline health-workers, and vulnerable/under-lying conditions population vaccinated. Do you not think that once we reach that stage, it becomes a lot more feasible to begin opening up, whatever the daily case numbers are?
 
2cents said:
At some stage soon we should have all our over 70s, frontline health-workers, and vulnerable/under-lying conditions population vaccinated. Do you not think that once we reach that stage, it becomes a lot more feasible to begin opening up, whatever the daily case numbers are?
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That could happen within a month. I suspect that’s why April 8th was pencilled in as the date to start easing off restrictions.

It’s such a tough call though. We have many more people aged 30 to 70 than aged 70 plus. So a completely uncontrolled epidemic in the under 70s could presumably still overwhelm the hospitals. I haven’t done the maths but that’s exactly the sort of number crunching that the PH specialists and epidemiologist will be doing to inform NPHET’s decisions.
 
Wolverine said:
In my experience too many deaths in multi-generational households has been because of irresponsible family members not following the rules despite knowing they've got a clinically vulnerable and often housebound elderly grandparent, and in many instances not getting tested or taking precautions when symptomatic.

The young ones in those instances are usually fine but the elderly who could've lived a lot longer and didnt want that risk taken with their life effectively had that choice taken from them. The irony is that the young people on marches and those who take more risks, if they get sick, are the ones who get prioritised for the ventilators.
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Yeah but the idiots will still be idiots. This way at least we won’t have to admit them to hospital.
 
Ronaldo's Mum Eh? said:
Brilliant message in that video. We have to question everything and think critically. Unfortunately the vast majority of people will believe everything they hear on the news without doing further research.

Joe Rogan says it best there, same as I've been saying for the past few weeks... that one year later we are still treating this virus like from when we first heard about it. Let me remind you that when we first heard about covid, they predicted that 10% of the population would die. Before you say "well yeah it would've if we didn't lockdown", how can you say that when the CDC shows us 0.05% mortality rate!

Rogan says it right there in that video, only 6% of deaths resulted only from pure covid deaths, the other 94% of deaths with 2.6 average co-moborbity. So when we have this data now, you have to ask WHY we are still treating this virus like we did from day 1.

I have a friend who went to get tested with her daughter... they registered to get tested, waited in line....unfortunately it took over 4 hours to wait so they said "screw it we'll come back another day" so they left without getting tested...... the next day they got an email saying they "tested positive" from their test. QUESTION EVERYTHING.

You think this is still about a virus at this point? This seems like governments flexing their power now.
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We should definitely think critically. My grandma lived in Toronto, she died of covid. She had high blood pressure, which is a comorbidity. About 70% of older adults - aged above 60 have it - that's a large number of people.

The fact is that the reason we have been able to keep covid deaths to what they are because of an availability of doctors, availability of ventilators. Once you saturate that and if you have an exponential rise in cases/admissions that you run out of oxygen, you run out of beds, of ventilators, of staff to look after you. It's nearly happened in the UK, its happened in other countries and it could happen anywhere.

Joe Rogan is an idiot, that comedian in that clip is a boring, idiot with stupid ideas. The very opposite of critical thinking.
 
Wolverine said:
We should definitely think critically. My grandma lived in Toronto, she died of covid. She had high blood pressure, which is a comorbidity. About 70% of older adults - aged above 60 have it - that's a large number of people.

The fact is that the reason we have been able to keep covid deaths to what they are because of an availability of doctors, availability of ventilators. Once you saturate that and if you have an exponential rise in cases/admissions that you run out of oxygen, you run out of beds, of ventilators, of staff to look after you. It's nearly happened in the UK, its happened in other countries and it could happen anywhere.

Joe Rogan is an idiot, that comedian in that clip is a boring, idiot with stupid ideas. The very opposite of critical thinking.
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Not to mention obesity. Another important comorbidity, which affects just under one in two US citizens. Not that Rogan gives a shit. He hates fat people because they’re too lazy to catch, kill and eat elks. Or something.
 
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Ronaldo's Mum Eh? said:
Brilliant message in that video. We have to question everything and think critically. Unfortunately the vast majority of people will believe everything they hear on the news without doing further research.

Joe Rogan says it best there, same as I've been saying for the past few weeks... that one year later we are still treating this virus like from when we first heard about it. Let me remind you that when we first heard about covid, they predicted that 10% of the population would die. Before you say "well yeah it would've if we didn't lockdown", how can you say that when the CDC shows us 0.05% mortality rate!

Rogan says it right there in that video, only 6% of deaths resulted only from pure covid deaths, the other 94% of deaths with 2.6 average co-moborbity. So when we have this data now, you have to ask WHY we are still treating this virus like we did from day 1.

I have a friend who went to get tested with her daughter... they registered to get tested, waited in line....unfortunately it took over 4 hours to wait so they said "screw it we'll come back another day" so they left without getting tested...... the next day they got an email saying they "tested positive" from their test. QUESTION EVERYTHING.

You think this is still about a virus at this point? This seems like governments flexing their power now.



Ah yes, the curfew argument. Not only have we seen covid tell the flu to take a vacation, tell cancer that it's not important anymore, it also now knows when to come out. So covid is activated past 9pm, but before that if groups congregate it won't be prevalent as much. See what I mean this might not be about the virus anymore?

The decision making of politicians and governments (flip flopping, moving of goal posts, etc) has made rational human thinkers question the RESPONSE to covid.

If anyone believes Covid is NOT real or doesn't exist, they are completely dumb.. we very much know that is real. Questioning the response is fair game.

In Japan for example, more people died from SUICIDE in October alone - which was more people than had died from Covid-19 over the entire 10 months in to date (SOURCE - https://www.forbes.com/sites/jessic...s-what-that-means-for-the-us/?sh=53c2b6de6d75)

In Ontario (my province in canada) more than 85% of deaths came from nursing homes, we have the longest lockdown (toronto) out of anywhere in north america, and suicides went up 4x amongst teenagers. We are now starting to do more harm than good with this virus that has a 0.05% mortality rate (Sourced by CDC).

Watch me be called a conspiracy theorist for bringing alternative views to this thread though... it doesn't fit their narrative of making this virus seem like it's so deadly!
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0.05%. :lol: where do you even get that figure? Is it just a number of deaths of completely healthy people divided by entire population or what?

It’s not ‘alternative’ views or critical thinking, it’s being wrong about something those people clearly have no clue about. As it’s been pointed out multiple times that co-morbidities can include obesity, hypertension and diabietes, things that are present among vast majority of 50+. It doesn’t make their lives worthless. I am really amazed at how people can discount someone’s live because they are not 100% healthy. It’s just disgusting. It’s like you only have right to live if you are 40 or younger and completely healthy.

It really takes just a little bit of logic to understand the seriousness of this pandemic. For someone to deny it in any way doesn’t suggest critical thinking to me, it suggests ignorance, selfishness and inability to understand what happens around us.
 
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Steven Seagull said:
I’m 33 and live in a mainly rules respecting area in a 50/50 lab-con, 50-50 brexit split. I’d say the mixing has gone up ten fold this month. Mainly elders going to see grandkids etc.

I don’t blame them at all but the increase in cases is inevitable. Unless the vaccines are a preventative measure
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Sounds affluent and like-minded
 
Pogue Mahone said:
I’ve literally just explained to you why it’s important for school to stay open for reasons that don’t benefit me at all. Imagine you’re arguing with a sterile robot. The points remain just as valid. Society needs to identify priorities and - unlucky for you but lucky for me - doing our best to stop underprivileged kids falling by the wayside is deemed important enough for us to put up with a few months pause on construction (never mind haircuts, pints or shopping).



Look at the number we have now. Look at how quickly they went south over winter. At the very least you can surely see why loosening restrictions right now would be a hell of a ballsy move, right?

For what it’s worth, I could get on board with getting rid of the 5k limit and getting outdoor sports going again. Everyone is so broken now that giving them something to look forward to, day by day, might actually improve compliance. Whether that’s a game of hurling or tennis or a long walk in the countryside. It’s by no means an obvious call though. In fact it’s a huge risk.

I only got into this back and forth with you because I disagree that our pandemic has somehow been uniquely badly managed. Our location and links to the UK put us at the epicentre of a horrendous epidemic and there hasn’t been any easy decisions. So I can’t get on board with the idea that any of them have been obviously incorrect.

My pet peeves have been how long it’s taken to set up hotel quarantine and the closure of outdoor sports. Other than that, there’s been no obvious terrible calls. We’ve just had a tonne of bad luck with stupid poxy uk variant and our cultural inclination for indoor socialising (i.e. boozing) which is the worst possible national hobby to have during a pandemic!
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I never said it was uniquely badly managed though did I? Obviously we are not the only country to make a balls of it. I mean you only need look at our deaths and length of our lockdowns to see that we have managed it badly compares to a lot of other similarly sized European countries though, no? I reckon you must be the last person in the country still defending how the government have handled this.

And no obvious terrible calls? What about opening everything up for Christmas when every other country was closing things?

All I want is some sort of idea other than "let's lock down for another six months and hope the vaccines fix everything" while we destroy more jobs and lives and plunge into even more debt. I don't think that's unrealistic. Where's the plan? Seriously, where is it?
 
Massive Spanner said:
I never said it was uniquely badly managed though did I? Obviously we are not the only country to make a balls of it. I mean you only need look at our deaths and length of our lockdowns to see that we have managed it badly compares to a lot of other similarly sized European countries though, no? I reckon you must be the last person in the country still defending how the government have handled this.

And no obvious terrible calls? What about opening everything up for Christmas when every other country was closing things?

All I want is some sort of idea other than "let's lock down for another six months and hope the vaccines fix everything" while we destroy more jobs and lives and plunge into even more debt. I don't think that's unrealistic. Where's the plan? Seriously, where is it?
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What do you suggest? Seriously? What would you do? As I keep saying these are all incredibly tough decisions and I’m flat out of ideas, personally.

Opening up for Christmas was a gamble alright. Although the chance for so many elderly people to spend some time with their kids/grandkids at that time of year was huge. So deferring that lockdown for a week or two arguably a gamble worth taking. Plus we’d be probably be in the same situation we are now regardless.

The plan was obviously to lock down like this time last year and have a summer like last summer. While everyone gets vaccinated. Which would have been great. The combination of the uk variant and people being less diligent than they were the first time round has screwed us. Unfortunately, I don’t see any alternative to what we have done so far and need to keep on doing now. If you have any brainwaves I’m all ears.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Not to mention obesity. Another important comorbidity, which affects just under one in two US citizens. Not that Rogan gives a shit. He hates fat people because they’re too lazy to catch, kill and eat elks. Or something.
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"Oh god you're so tough, with your open nose and throat"
 
Massive Spanner said:
All I want is some sort of idea other than "let's lock down for another six months and hope the vaccines fix everything" while we destroy more jobs and lives and plunge into even more debt. I don't think that's unrealistic. Where's the plan? Seriously, where is it?
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The UK have been utterly incompetent throughout barring their rapid vaccination program roll out.

However, lock-downs are one of a few weapons that you have to keep infections under control while you vaccinate. You can't make it not so by wishing unfortunately.

The only way to not lockdown before full vaccination is to virtually eradicate (ironically using rapid extreme lock-downs) like NZ and Australia have done and you need to get there in the first place, which might have been close to impossible without fully closed international and internal borders, concrete quarantine arrangements and early extreme lockdown until case of community transmission are zero.
 
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Pogue Mahone said:
I’ll tell you where the obsession comes from. It’s because as a society, we should aspire to do what’s best for the most vulnerable. I also have friends who are teachers and the ones who work in underprivileged areas are horrified by what’s happening to the kids they’re supposed teach. Many of them have not engaged at all during lockdown. Literally done no schoolwork for almost a whole academic year. I hate my kids being home from school because I hate them being denied that social interaction but at least I’m privileged enough to be able to make sure they keep on top of their work. Because, believe me, the gap between the haves and have nots gets wider with every week of home-schooling. And that could leave scars on an entire generation.
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Well said. There have been studies that show underprivileged kids fall behind during school holidays in normal times. Extrapolate that over 1 year and you have an absolute disaster that these kids will never recover from.
 
Wibble said:
The UK have been utterly incompetent throughout barring their rapid vaccination program roll out.

However, lock-downs are one of a few weapons that you have to keep infections under control while you vaccinate. You can't make it not so by wishing unfortunately.

The only way to not lockdown before full vaccination is to virtually eradicate (ironically using rapid extreme lock-downs) like NZ and Australia have done and you need to get there in the first place, which might have been close to impossible without fully closed international and internal borders, concrete quarantine arrangements and early extreme lockdown until case of community transmission are zero.
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I really don't know how many times I have to say that I am not saying we shouldn't lock down! All three lockdowns in Ireland have been completely necessary, I'm not some conspiracy theorist saying that lockdowns are bullshit bla bla. I'm also not saying we should just simply exit our current lockdown gung-ho and see what happens, that would be stupid.

Where I live, we've been locked down to 5km for 27 out the last 29 weeks, fine, whatever, I can see why. But cases have completely plateaued with this stupid new variant now so I'd like to see some sort of different approach. Just open a few things, like increase the 5km, maybe a bit of outdoor dining, maybe hairdressers if they have the right circumstances, maybe allow people to meet up outside (everyone's doing it anyway!). I can't imagine any of these things could cause a sudden exponential growth in the virus so why not try? If cases do go up, like they have been since the schools opened again, stop that service.

A full lockdown til September is just a bad, bad idea. People will go berserk, they already are.
 
Also @Pogue Mahone surely you could at least agree we should be moving back to regional restrictions. I mean yeah Dublin and border countries should arguably stay in level 5 but Cork should at least be allowed open up a bit?
 
McGrathsipan said:
I posted a while ago about a house party full of older women in the house behind mine.
Well the woman of the house died last Tuesday.
Her funeral is today. I've counted about 50 people in the yard having a funeral party. I took a photo.
Police just arrived.
Mashed into a small back yard and not a mask in sight

There is no more compliance.
People are done
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Darwinism wins out every time
 
Massive Spanner said:
Also @Pogue Mahone surely you could at least agree we should be moving back to regional restrictions. I mean yeah Dublin and border countries should arguably stay in level 5 but Cork should at least be allowed open up a bit?
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Yes. That makes sense to me. It’s a bit strange the way we’ve completely done away with the regional approach from last year. I think everyone involved is shitting themselves after things got so badly out of control, so quickly, in January. So they’re almost paralysed by fear/indecision now. It sucks.
 
Massive Spanner said:
A full lockdown til September is just a bad, bad idea. People will go berserk, they already are.
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That’s not going to happen. I guarantee it. I’m pessimistic about our ability to keep cases down over the next month or two but optimistic about the vaccination roll-out. It’s going to increase exponentially very soon and the vast majority of the country will be vaccinated before summer is out.

I think that even having 50% vaccinated will make a huge difference to how safe it is to open up. And that’s due to happen (first dose) by the end of April.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
That’s not going to happen. I guarantee it. I’m pessimistic about our ability to keep cases down over the next month or two but optimistic about the vaccination roll-out. It’s going to increase exponentially very soon and the vast majority of the country will be vaccinated before summer is out.

I think that even having 50% vaccinated will make a huge difference to how safe it is to open up. And that’s due to happen (first dose) by the end of April.
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I seem to end up listening to Trinity’s Luke O’Neill on Newstalk once a week while doing the school run, he always comes across so optimistic about the vaccine program, just about the only positive voice I can find right now. Anyway he’s loving the data from Israel, and really impressed by how the rival pharma-companies are collaborating. Seems to believe Sanofi will come into play in a major way sometime in the second half of the year.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
That’s not going to happen. I guarantee it. I’m pessimistic about our ability to keep cases down over the next month or two but optimistic about the vaccination roll-out. It’s going to increase exponentially very soon and the vast majority of the country will be vaccinated before summer is out.

I think that even having 50% vaccinated will make a huge difference to how safe it is to open up. And that’s due to happen (first dose) by the end of April.
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I hope you're right, the data from Israel and the Uk does look promising anyway.
 
2cents said:
I seem to end up listening to Trinity’s Luke O’Neill on Newstalk once a week while doing the school run, he always comes across so optimistic about the vaccine program, just about the only positive voice I can find right now. Anyway he’s loving the data from Israel, and really impressed by how the rival pharma-companies are collaborating. Seems to believe Sanofi will come into play in a major way sometime in the second half of the year.
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He taught me (almost) everything I know about immunology. A very long time ago. Absolutely lovely fella but could do with maybe easing back on all the media work. You can’t turn the telly or radio on for 10 minutes without him making an appearance! Side note. Our “hilarious” nickname for him in med school was Luke O’ Trying (leukotrien, a wee immunology joke there)

I think we’re going to be swimming in vaccines very soon and our relatively low population means we should be able to rattle through everyone fairly quickly once supply constraints are removed.
 
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TheReligion said:
Don't be worried. You're doing the right thing for sure and a bit if concern is far from irrational. Let us know how it goes and try and enjoy it. It's the first part of getting back to normality and you being protected and keeping good health. Not only that but protecting your loved ones and others loved ones.
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jojojo said:
If it's any help I will say that both the German and the UK haematology specialists are saying that the benefits outweigh the risks. In particular that there's no sign that these rare adverse reactions are more common in people with a history of thrombosis or aneurism.

The German report just emphasises the need for everyone, including doctors, to be alert to possible symptoms - like multiple bruising points and prolonged headaches.
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Thanks both for the reassuring sense and kind words.
 
Massive Spanner said:
I really don't know how many times I have to say that I am not saying we shouldn't lock down! All three lockdowns in Ireland have been completely necessary, I'm not some conspiracy theorist saying that lockdowns are bullshit bla bla. I'm also not saying we should just simply exit our current lockdown gung-ho and see what happens, that would be stupid.

Where I live, we've been locked down to 5km for 27 out the last 29 weeks, fine, whatever, I can see why. But cases have completely plateaued with this stupid new variant now so I'd like to see some sort of different approach. Just open a few things, like increase the 5km, maybe a bit of outdoor dining, maybe hairdressers if they have the right circumstances, maybe allow people to meet up outside (everyone's doing it anyway!). I can't imagine any of these things could cause a sudden exponential growth in the virus so why not try? If cases do go up, like they have been since the schools opened again, stop that service.

A full lockdown til September is just a bad, bad idea. People will go berserk, they already are.
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I'm not sure a plateau in spring during a vaccine roll-out is any sort of indication that you should relax any other measures yet.
 
The head of one of the main ICUs in Italy has been speaking about the recent cases. Little that's new but reassuring that younger people are still more resilient even if they are getting infected more.

ICU mortality remains high, around 35-40%, not so far from the first and second wave mortality. At this stage the age range has decreased: we have patients as young as 27, we have had 40, 42, 50, without associated pathologies, who arrived in intensive care in critical condition. The people who survive are on average the younger ones, around 60 years or below.
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He is also seeing in the region a slowdown in admissions and expects the current lockdown to start having an effect over the next week.
 
Massive Spanner said:
I really don't know how many times I have to say that I am not saying we shouldn't lock down! All three lockdowns in Ireland have been completely necessary, I'm not some conspiracy theorist saying that lockdowns are bullshit bla bla. I'm also not saying we should just simply exit our current lockdown gung-ho and see what happens, that would be stupid.

Where I live, we've been locked down to 5km for 27 out the last 29 weeks, fine, whatever, I can see why. But cases have completely plateaued with this stupid new variant now so I'd like to see some sort of different approach. Just open a few things, like increase the 5km, maybe a bit of outdoor dining, maybe hairdressers if they have the right circumstances, maybe allow people to meet up outside (everyone's doing it anyway!). I can't imagine any of these things could cause a sudden exponential growth in the virus so why not try? If cases do go up, like they have been since the schools opened again, stop that service.

A full lockdown til September is just a bad, bad idea. People will go berserk, they already are.
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Mind me asking where you are?
 
Massive Spanner said:
Castleknock. You're in Blanch right? What's your take on easing any restrictions beyond schools?
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Oh fancy. :lol:

not too far, I’m in mulhuddart.

round here locally, the numbers aren’t budging. Still got mine off school. I have a suspicion that Easter won’t go well too.

I dunno, havent been inside the shopping centre for over a year. I’d like to see them give us a little more than 5km though.

Id also like to see them vaccinate the problem areas, it would make a huge, quick difference. But I understand why they don’t.

I am just waiting here, patiently, but it’s wearing thin
 
11101 said:
The head of one of the main ICUs in Italy has been speaking about the recent cases. Little that's new but reassuring that younger people are still more resilient even if they are getting infected more.



He is also seeing in the region a slowdown in admissions and expects the current lockdown to start having an effect over the next week.
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Not much lockdown going on here. Streets were pretty packed over the weekend and I heard drunken kids outside till about 3am. Just don't understand why they aren't getting busted. The supermarkets are jammed around 3pm as everybody buys their booze for the night ahead.
 
Just arranged to meet my two drinking buddies in a garden on Monday, the first day allowed in the UK. All three of us vaccinated too, so feeling good. And my mate makes a damn good curry.
 
golden_blunder said:
Oh fancy. :lol:

not too far, I’m in mulhuddart.

round here locally, the numbers aren’t budging. Still got mine off school. I have a suspicion that Easter won’t go well too.

I dunno, havent been inside the shopping centre for over a year. I’d like to see them give us a little more than 5km though.

Id also like to see them vaccinate the problem areas, it would make a huge, quick difference. But I understand why they don’t.

I am just waiting here, patiently, but it’s wearing thin
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Well it's more Carpenterstown which is the Coolmine side of Castleknock!

I'd sort of agree, to be honest we don't have it too bad in our 5km. It includes Phoenix Park, plenty of supermarkets and some nice parks so it hasn't been too bad. The 5km rule isn't as much of a bastard in urban areas as it is out in rural areas where there is absolutely feck all near people. So yeah, I think the 5km rule needs to go and the increase should be increased based on the incidence rate in each county, which I guess would put Dublin at the lower end, but what can you do.

I'm honestly just curious to see if cases do go up if we allow more interactions or open up outdoor dining, because most people have been ignoring the restrictions, having people over, house parties, meeting other households in public etc. anyway so really what difference would it actually make allowing these things in controlled settings at this stage? It's an interesting one for sure.
 
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