SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)

The thing is, I have absolutely no problem with the loss of data privacy required to go down the same route as China. My personal opinion is that personal data is over-valued in Europe and the recent changes to our data privacy legislation are over the top. And terribly timed, from the point of view of this pandemic.

For another thread and another day but I did an ethics module in the final year of my ComSci degree and it thoroughly put to bed that opinion for me. Especially with the corruption and cronyism we’ve seen rife in this Tory party.Things like mental health records are gold dust to the gambling industry.
 
A lot of it is scientists doing exactly what they hate other people doing. Refusing to listen to experts.

Politicians know a hell of lot more than they do about diplomacy but when politicians tell them that actually it won’t be possible to negotiate a hard border between Northern Ireland and the rest of the UK these scientists stick their fingers in their ears and say “we’re doing the science, so you should be able to do the politics”.

They’re just as bad on logistics. When pressed on how road transport would work in the EU with closed borders they waffle about trucks swapping trailers every time they reach a border, or dedicated toilets for foreign truck drivers at every service station.

Complete pie in the sky fantasy stuff. Which sound especially ridiculous coming from people who are typically perceived as being amongst the most rational.

How you might do it is irrelevant anyway as there is no political will to do it. Same in the US.

The conundrum is that short of exceeding full HIT throughout the whole of Europe further waves and lock-downs might well be necessary. I hope not and vaccination sorts this shit out. In terms of NZ and AU it will be interesting to see how we handle opening up once mass vaccination occurs. Shame we aren't going to make it compulsory.

We haven't had a case for a couple of weeks in NSW and compulsory mask wearing is now only on public transport. It is still compulsory to scan in every time you go to a hospitality venue and strongly encouraged in all shops etc to aid contact tracing in the event of an outbreak. I can see that continuing for the rest of the year. One of the challenges will have will be how we trust in evidence of vaccination from overseas travelers when we start to open up again. Forgeries will be an issue from countries where vaccination is hard to get or not universal.
 
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For another thread and another day but I did an ethics module in the final year of my ComSci degree and it thoroughly put to bed that opinion for me. Especially with the corruption and cronyism we’ve seen rife in this Tory party.Things like mental health records are gold dust to the gambling industry.

Yep. Most of us have nothing to fear but health and genetic information has a huge potential for facilitating discrimination.
 
For another thread and another day but I did an ethics module in the final year of my ComSci degree and it thoroughly put to bed that opinion for me. Especially with the corruption and cronyism we’ve seen rife in this Tory party.Things like mental health records are gold dust to the gambling industry.


I think there's a bunch of unknown negatives about trading data that will come out over time. Corporate cnuts are relentlessly good at figuring out how to exploit personal data in a multitude of new ways. I did that 23&me DNA thing because I thought it'd be cool to see what my makeup is. I'm sure it'll backfire on me somehow now that fecking smiling cnut Branson is getting his mitts on it.
 
How you might do it is irrelevant anyway as there is no political will to do it. Same in the US.

The conundrum is that short of exceeding full HIT throughout the whole of Europe further waves and lock-downs might well be necessary. I hope not and vaccination sorts this shit out. In terms of NZ and AU it will be interesting to see how we handle opening up once mass vaccination occurs. Shame we aren't going to make it compulsory.

We haven't had a case for a couple of weeks in NSW and compulsory mask wearing is now only on public transport. It is still compulsory to scan in every time you go to a hospitality venue and strongly encouraged in all shops etc to aid contact tracing in the event of an outbreak. I can see that continuing for the rest of the year. One of the challenges will have will be how we trust in evidence of vaccination from overseas travelers when we start to open up again. Forgeries will be an issue from countries where vaccination is hard to get or not universal.

Not to mention that there won’t be any country, anywhere, vaccinating kids any time soon. So banning travellers without evidence of vaccination will only be a token gesture so long as you allow visitors travel with their children.
 
Not to mention that there won’t be any country, anywhere, vaccinating kids any time soon. So banning travellers without evidence of vaccination will only be a token gesture so long as you allow visitors travel with their children.

I think kids will probably be getting vaccinated before we open international borders which will likely be in 2022.

https://www.propublica.org/article/fauci-vaccines-kids
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/20...t-covid-vaccines-end-year-government-adviser/
 
Israel is 60% vaccinated and deaths are growing higher everyday, why is that?

Someone smarter or/and with more data can explain me this?
 
Israel is 60% vaccinated and deaths are growing higher everyday, why is that?

Someone smarter or/and with more data can explain me this?
Because you are incorrect. Deaths are declining from a late Jan peak
 
He seems to run a company that does home office setups for people, so I'd say he's definitely biased. While there are certainly some good aspects to working from home, I think people should be reluctant to allow their company to go fully WFH.

And $2,000 for the 'best remote setup on the planet' might be true, but if people are still working from the corner of their bedroom, no set-up will make that any less grim over an extended period.

We've got all staff at home at the moment, other than a few who have to be in to keep the office functioning. We're finding that people are much less keen on working from home full time during this lockdown. The novelty seems to have worn off and the fatigue is kicking in. We're being told that people are sick of being at home alone all day and are missing colleagues. A few people seem to be having a rough time of it.

I think there's a definite place for working from home for some of the working week. Perhaps some will work exclusively from home if it suits them, but I don't hold with the idea that we'll move to virtual offices generally.
 
Italy's about to start vaccinating all the key workers - everyone working in schools and unis, police, military, fire fighters, people living in communities such as nuns, prison staff and prisoners. They will get the AZ vaccine. The health and social care staff have already been vaccinated, of course.

Our region started vaccinating over-80s this week. It's a bit slow, but at least the most vulnerable oldies (the ancients and the ones in care homes) were vaccinated first. Being over 80 doesn't seem like a big deal here!
 
We've got all staff at home at the moment, other than a few who have to be in to keep the office functioning. We're finding that people are much less keen on working from home full time during this lockdown. The novelty seems to have worn off and the fatigue is kicking in. We're being told that people are sick of being at home alone all day and are missing colleagues. A few people seem to be having a rough time of it.

I think there's a definite place for working from home for some of the working week. Perhaps some will work exclusively from home if it suits them, but I don't hold with the idea that we'll move to virtual offices generally.

our office is the opposite. everyone is pretty much universally preferring working from home than going into the office. i think the fatigue is possibly more to do with the lockdown generally, at least our office seems to think the working from home element has been the one bonus from the whole pandemic. my office is in canary wharf though so maybe the pain of the daily commute contributes to this, not sure where your office is.

certainly we won't be going full time work from home though, with people able to go in when they want if they want. but our department is currently talking once in a fortnight as a mandatory requirement.
 
We've got all staff at home at the moment, other than a few who have to be in to keep the office functioning. We're finding that people are much less keen on working from home full time during this lockdown. The novelty seems to have worn off and the fatigue is kicking in. We're being told that people are sick of being at home alone all day and are missing colleagues. A few people seem to be having a rough time of it.

I think there's a definite place for working from home for some of the working week. Perhaps some will work exclusively from home if it suits them, but I don't hold with the idea that we'll move to virtual offices generally.

Out of interest, what's the average age of people at your place? I'm of the opinion that younger and single people are having a tougher time due to the lack of space and/or social support. Also parents because of the homeschooling issue (although that's a relatively new issue by comparison).
 
We've got all staff at home at the moment, other than a few who have to be in to keep the office functioning. We're finding that people are much less keen on working from home full time during this lockdown. The novelty seems to have worn off and the fatigue is kicking in. We're being told that people are sick of being at home alone all day and are missing colleagues. A few people seem to be having a rough time of it.

I think there's a definite place for working from home for some of the working week. Perhaps some will work exclusively from home if it suits them, but I don't hold with the idea that we'll move to virtual offices generally.
This is pretty much my experience right now. My productivity and enthusiasm for working from home was great up until the Christmas break. Ever since then, I've been fighting a losing battle to keep on top of my usual priorities. I'm trying to persevere, but I really have been stuck in second gear for long periods of the week.
 
I work in social care, adults LD team. Our team is a kind of floating unit that focusses on low complexity work. Throughout this whole pandemic we've been in and out of groups contacting everyone on our records that is eligible under the care act to check in with them, ensure the most vulnerable are continuing to get support, that if there's a risk of carer breakdown then people get a rest. I have to say that I've been remarkably surprised by people's resilience in this. Sometimes I've been on calls for thirty minutes because people just want to chat to someone, sometimes I've had people in tears because of the stress, sometimes I've been met with a stoicism to get through it that I admire. Frankly it's all those people I think are being robbed so much when I see careless nonsense happening in public.
 
It's very loose here in Florence. I've seen more people doing the chinstrap mask thing than those wearing them properly. Maskless people are also a fairly common sight. Restaurants and shops are very busy and I've seen people shaking hands and hugging.The weather is lovely right now and the city is very busy. I think there is going to be a nasty shock in the coming weeks as everybody seems to have let their guard down here.


I knew it. We're going back to Orange Zone on Sunday.
 
I work in social care, adults LD team. Our team is a kind of floating unit that focusses on low complexity work. Throughout this whole pandemic we've been in and out of groups contacting everyone on our records that is eligible under the care act to check in with them, ensure the most vulnerable are continuing to get support, that if there's a risk of carer breakdown then people get a rest. I have to say that I've been remarkably surprised by people's resilience in this. Sometimes I've been on calls for thirty minutes because people just want to chat to someone, sometimes I've had people in tears because of the stress, sometimes I've been met with a stoicism to get through it that I admire. Frankly it's all those people I think are being robbed so much when I see careless nonsense happening in public.
You are absolutely correct, but unfortunately it seems that a % of people only care about themselves.
anyway keep up the good work fella
 
Italy's about to start vaccinating all the key workers - everyone working in schools and unis, police, military, fire fighters, people living in communities such as nuns, prison staff and prisoners. They will get the AZ vaccine. The health and social care staff have already been vaccinated, of course.

Our region started vaccinating over-80s this week. It's a bit slow, but at least the most vulnerable oldies (the ancients and the ones in care homes) were vaccinated first. Being over 80 doesn't seem like a big deal here!
How are you dealing with being over 80? Big deal to you?

: )
 
A lesson from Western Australia

  • 1 new case in 10 months from a hotel quarantine worker that traveled basically around the central and outskirts of Perth for 1-3 days whilst infected with UK variant
  • Premier put the whole state into lockdown for 5 days, every resident that left their home had to wear a mask.
  • Within 24 hours, 18 close-contact sites were provided to every person in the state.
  • Police would hand out masks or direct people out of public spaces without masks, fines/arrest were the extreme last resort/confronted police physically. Our Police Commissioner called it "compassionate policing".
  • Could only travel between regions if you were an "essential worker"
  • Zero new cases in 5 days.
  • Following week was less restrictions, mandatory masks, limited travel between regions.
  • 14 days later - zero community infections.
Brilliant work by our leaders.
 
our office is the opposite. everyone is pretty much universally preferring working from home than going into the office. i think the fatigue is possibly more to do with the lockdown generally, at least our office seems to think the working from home element has been the one bonus from the whole pandemic. my office is in canary wharf though so maybe the pain of the daily commute contributes to this, not sure where your office is.

certainly we won't be going full time work from home though, with people able to go in when they want if they want. but our department is currently talking once in a fortnight as a mandatory requirement.

Yeah, I suppose it depends where you work. We're outside of a big city. People can easily drive in so commute isn't too taxing and we're not a huge office. It's a mid-sized law firm and a lot of the staff have worked together for years, with not that much turnover of staff. A lot of the staff are good friends and we have a good atmosphere in the office. I can see that in larger, more (for want of a better word) impersonal places with loads of staff it's not the same.

We're finding other issues. Training staff (Trainee Solicitors especially) is much harder when we're not in the office together to deal with quick queries or to just keep an eye on how they're getting on.

Generally, it has been an eye opener. We'll be more malleable for people home working in the future for sure. It's worked pretty well for the most part. I'll be maybe in 3 days a week once this is resolved, but as a Partner, some days I need to be in to supervise for the purposes of the insurance. Others may be in less.
 
Out of interest, what's the average age of people at your place? I'm of the opinion that younger and single people are having a tougher time due to the lack of space and/or social support. Also parents because of the homeschooling issue (although that's a relatively new issue by comparison).

A decent mix. Some of the people with Kids we've hardly seen recently, for obvious reasons. Some are keeping unusual hours because of childcare.

I'm married but in the house all day on my own - wife at work, child at School or at her grandparents - sometimes for 11 hours plus. I'm finding it hard just being by myself, and it's obviously potentially much worse if you live on your own.

I do think that a move to home working, despite it's obvious positives, has some draw backs for some. Big companies will realise they can close down expensive city centre offices and not only had staff working from home, but employ staff from much cheaper parts of the country (or world - see the number of insurance call centres popping up in South Africa). Why pay £100k to someone in London with a large cost of living when you can employ someone in Manchester or Newcastle for less? The mental health aspect is also an issue for me. The idea of young people especially, working long hours in a flat with no interaction is a concern.

I guess it's something some will love and others won't. if it works well for you, fair enough. I won't be going back into the office full time.
 
The view wasn't bad but your town is pretty dead.

Hopefully in two weeks we'll go back to yellow too.
A thousand years of history dismissed just like that .... but it's true, quiet sleepy places don't have too much trouble at the moment. We get daily updates from the Comune - at the moment we have 8 cases in the village and the surrounding frazione, four of those are one family.
 
This is pretty much my experience right now. My productivity and enthusiasm for working from home was great up until the Christmas break. Ever since then, I've been fighting a losing battle to keep on top of my usual priorities. I'm trying to persevere, but I really have been stuck in second gear for long periods of the week.

Yeah, me too. Hard to get started some days!
 
A few of the papers are running with stories about non essential shops re-opening in March and Pubs and restaurants in April in the UK. All subject to infection rates continuing to fall.
 
A lesson from Western Australia

  • 1 new case in 10 months from a hotel quarantine worker that traveled basically around the central and outskirts of Perth for 1-3 days whilst infected with UK variant
  • Premier put the whole state into lockdown for 5 days, every resident that left their home had to wear a mask.
  • Within 24 hours, 18 close-contact sites were provided to every person in the state.
  • Police would hand out masks or direct people out of public spaces without masks, fines/arrest were the extreme last resort/confronted police physically. Our Police Commissioner called it "compassionate policing".
  • Could only travel between regions if you were an "essential worker"
  • Zero new cases in 5 days.
  • Following week was less restrictions, mandatory masks, limited travel between regions.
  • 14 days later - zero community infections.
Brilliant work by our leaders.

Agreed. When this is over state governments will be viewed as the adults in the room.
 
A decent mix. Some of the people with Kids we've hardly seen recently, for obvious reasons. Some are keeping unusual hours because of childcare.

I'm married but in the house all day on my own - wife at work, child at School or at her grandparents - sometimes for 11 hours plus. I'm finding it hard just being by myself, and it's obviously potentially much worse if you live on your own.

I do think that a move to home working, despite it's obvious positives, has some draw backs for some. Big companies will realise they can close down expensive city centre offices and not only had staff working from home, but employ staff from much cheaper parts of the country (or world - see the number of insurance call centres popping up in South Africa). Why pay £100k to someone in London with a large cost of living when you can employ someone in Manchester or Newcastle for less? The mental health aspect is also an issue for me. The idea of young people especially, working long hours in a flat with no interaction is a concern.

I guess it's something some will love and others won't. if it works well for you, fair enough. I won't be going back into the office full time.

Interesting to read this. I live alone (30) and don't find it too hard in the day when I'm working - I'm more thankful for having something to do.

It's mainly the evenings and weekends that feel hard. Using today as an example, I woke up aiming go to the bank which it was supposed to be my thing to do today, then I found out it's closed. It's a really minor thing but it makes it a bit harder to create work-life balance. Definitely harder to feel refreshed and maintain a positive mindset (for work and generally life).

I've got one friend in London whose office has closed and they've gone full-time remote now. I certainly think that'll happen more often as there's obvious financial benefits.

Good for those not living in London I suppose.

Either way, I'd be happy not going back to the office full-time. I moved last month to a different city slightly further away.
 
A few of the papers are running with stories about non essential shops re-opening in March and Pubs and restaurants in April in the UK. All subject to infection rates continuing to fall.
The numbers really are tumbling in the UK. What i dont get here is why, with a curfew in place, the numbers arent really coming down, in fact they've gone up the last couple of days while the % of positive tests per day is coming down slowly.
 
A few of the papers are running with stories about non essential shops re-opening in March and Pubs and restaurants in April in the UK. All subject to infection rates continuing to fall.
Shops reopening before schools. Ah I understand the priority
 
The numbers really are tumbling in the UK. What i dont get here is why, with a curfew in place, the numbers arent really coming down, in fact they've gone up the last couple of days while the % of positive tests per day is coming down slowly.
What numbers? Deaths? Hospitals? Cases? What country?