SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)
- Thread starter Don't Kill Bill
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Annoying that it doesn’t say whether 67% transmission reduction was based on one or two doses. It also doesn’t mention anything about the age of the people they were monitoring. Very good news though.
Suprised how much positive press Cuomo has had during this pandemic.
The number of infections is very important as the probability of this happening, even with a slowly evolving virus like a coronavirus, may be very low per infection but if you have enough infections and it (or something like it) becomes almost certain. Then a more infectious strain will inevitably become the dominant variant as long as it isn't more fatal (or at least only more fatal to a degree that restricts the spread less than the advantage of the increased infectiousness).
And while we may not be able to eradicate SARS-CoV-2 like we did smallpox the slow evolving nature of coronaviruses will likely allow us to control it (or maybe even functionally eradicate it from most countries) far better than we have influenza. Given the economic impact I'd say the developed world is going to take a huge interest in getting as much of the rest of the world as possible vaccinated in their own self interest if nothing else.
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Did I read somewhere we might be close to a fairly accurate transmission reading for one of the current vaccines in next few weeks?
That would be the best news for quite some time. Of course keeping the vast majority out of ICU is the first step and that should be achievable with what we have available now but we'd all like the 2m rule consigned to history some time in next 12 months so would be massive step if we could be sure at least one of the vaccines stopped the virus spreading between people in crowded spaces.
That would be the best news for quite some time. Of course keeping the vast majority out of ICU is the first step and that should be achievable with what we have available now but we'd all like the 2m rule consigned to history some time in next 12 months so would be massive step if we could be sure at least one of the vaccines stopped the virus spreading between people in crowded spaces.
@Wibble NO NEW CASES IN WESTERN AUSTRALIA
Excellent. Every day we go like this gives increased hope it didn't get out and about. So barring the one WA case Australia has had no community transmission in over 2 weeks now.
I'm rolling my sleeve up now as the RPA is a vaccine site and just up the road. Not that I think we will get it for my age group for some time yet.
On a different note the bushfires west of Perth look more than a little shit. 71 homes gone and conditions worsening.
Boris press conference in a few minutes.
Can't help but feel that people are being misled over Vaccinations - yes ten million might have had their jab which is excellent, but they all need that second dose yet
Prediction: By continuing hyping of the single dose vaccinations, they're going to invite a lot more pressure to open things up earlier, and that will lead to more unnecessary deaths/long term sickness amongst 20-50 years olds
Can't help but feel that people are being misled over Vaccinations - yes ten million might have had their jab which is excellent, but they all need that second dose yet
Prediction: By continuing hyping of the single dose vaccinations, they're going to invite a lot more pressure to open things up earlier, and that will lead to more unnecessary deaths/long term sickness amongst 20-50 years olds
Pretty fair analysis I reckon.
Purely as far as the press conference went I don't think they came over that way at all, there were a lot of questions along the lines of 'when will we' and 'why can't we' and they were all pretty well slapped down.
Another quarantine worker infected in Victoria.
yep, looks like no one is taking air transfer seriously enough.
Which is madness given that it is almost certainly by far the most usual method of infection.
In the press conference yes, and that's if people were watching the whole thing....the headlines and news bites are very different. Time will tell
Any of our resident medical people read about this recent Thapsigargin anti viral? Anything to get excited about other than selling the dream?
https://scitechdaily.com/powerful-a...-that-could-change-how-epidemics-are-managed/
https://scitechdaily.com/powerful-a...-that-could-change-how-epidemics-are-managed/
nice to see the deaths down under 1000 again.
Sounds interesting. But they’re at such an early stage of development there’s about an 80% chance it will never amount to anything and a 100% chance it won’t be available to treat people until long after this current pandemic is over.
He is a great orator
South Carolina is rescinding all guidance for closing schools based on community spread of Covid AND moved people from lower tiers ahead of teachers in the vaccine lineup.
Nice.
Nice.
Opinion piece about the Australian approach to the pandemic in the Washington Post.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...single-covid-19-case-we-welcome-restrictions/
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...single-covid-19-case-we-welcome-restrictions/
massive trump guy, as you'd expect.
i saw a b-movie featuring him (and his father) called high voltage, it is great fun.
Yep. The State Superintendent of Education said “Schools reopening does not cause an increase in Covid cases”.
A guy that “has struggled in the past” with doing crystal meth is worried about what’s in a vaccine...
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Pretty much the mood right now. Yep.
https://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/present...acked-over-perths-reaction-to-one-covid-case/
@Wibble this is really strange to watch. O'Brien essentially conveying through tone of the segment that Perth contact tracing is magic and the UK 22 billion pound system couldn't even generate a list of sites?
@Wibble this is really strange to watch. O'Brien essentially conveying through tone of the segment that Perth contact tracing is magic and the UK 22 billion pound system couldn't even generate a list of sites?
The other big factor is that when you are dealing with low numbers of infections contact tracing works. Once numbers explode it becomes harder to the point of impossibility. In Victoria's outbreak the contact tracing was overwhelmed. Even now when they have expanded employment to 2600 people and digitised their processes they can still only cope fully with 500 new cases per day. The UK peaked at 60,000 cases per day so I'm guessing they couldn't possibly keep up.
Another reason why going hard, fast and early was the right course of action.
oh no doubt....but 22 billion pounds? And he's suggesting a list of sites is like some magic reality?
But 20 billion of that has to be used to enrich the private companies that in no way get favorable deals from the Tories and are in no way Tory party donors. Allegedly.
That doesn't leave much to do the actual work
The UK response to covid has been an utter shambles and contact tracing has been a spectacular and expensive failure. I'm surprised they aren't burning effigies of Bojo in the street so murderously disastrous has been his government.
We have been saved by our state politicians and the Feds have been hopeless barring international border closures, and even then they have abdicated all responsibility for things like quarantine and don't give a toss about the 10,000's of thousands of Aussies stranded overseas. Yet they seem to be largely getting a free pass as well.
But 20 billion of that has to be used to enrich the private companies that in no way get favorable deals from the Tories and are in no way Tory party donors. Allegedly.
That doesn't leave much to do the actual work
The UK response to covid has been an utter shambles and contact tracing has been a spectacular and expensive failure. I'm surprised they aren't burning effigies of Bojo in the street so murderously disastrous has been his government.
We have been saved by our state politicians and the Feds have been hopeless barring international border closures, and even then they have abdicated all responsibility for things like quarantine and don't give a toss about the 10,000's of thousands of Aussies stranded overseas. Yet they seem to be largely getting a free pass as well.
0 new cases today from 8477 tests, no close contacts (or housemates) have caught it.
this guy is an "anti-superspreader"
0 new cases today from 8477 tests, no close contacts (or housemates) have caught it.
this guy is an "anti-superspreader"
Excellent news.
Wait what? How can a software system cost 22 billion???
best i could find is that it's "test and trace"
https://www.politico.eu/article/auditors-say-nhs-test-and-trace-program-not-reaching-enough-people/
However..........22 billion spent on "test and trace", yet O'Brien suggests they couldn't even produce a list of sites the person visited within 24-48 hours???? I mean...wtf??
I mean I could kinda understand 500m or even up to 1b at a push (I’d still question that) but surely it doesn’t cost 22 fukin billion to make a bit of software do something
EDIT never mind I’ve seen the breakdown above not just software system. Still seems hugely overpriced
https://fullfact.org/health/independent-sage-contact-tracing/
At least 2.4 billion on " tracing, technology and central support functions"
22 billion seems to be the entire program. EDIT: or maybe 45 billion?
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