SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)
- Thread starter Don't Kill Bill
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Just occurred to me how mental it is that Liverpool Atletico isn't behind closed doors.
Surely they should've done that given the amount of cases in Madrid?
Surely they should've done that given the amount of cases in Madrid?
I can't speak for Wuhan and Hubei province where the lockdown was much more severe, but here in Shanghai basically the vast majority are working from home if possible. This includes schools which are doing online lessons. You have to get a pass to leave and enter your apartment complex. The streets are far quieter than normal as you would expect although shops have started to open up again.
The situation is well under control here though, with barely any active cases and the main concern in Shanghai actually being 'back flow' cases, people being infected abroad and bringing it back.
I suspect though that many European countries in the next few weeks will have to go on stricter lockdowns more akin to Hubei province unfortunately, as the situation looks like it's going to be worse than it ever was here in Shanghai.
Edit: To add context, Shanghai with its 25 million plus people has just 21 active cases of the virus at the moment.
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Is that mainly because we're saying the average person is far too stupid to understand the severity of it until 10s of thousands are infected and people in the 100s are dying daily?
I think this is where education is important. One of the first actions of the governments should've been to educate and bring the population along. But they've been sending the wrong messages out right from the start. The biggest promoters of the whole, 'it's not that serious, it's all under control' are the government's themselves.
Yes, or widespread civil unrest.
The number of new cases in Italy has dropped by 15% from yesterday (and yesterday it was a large drop of 50% from the day before). I was scared that yesterday was an outlier, it seems that instead, it could be a trend and that the quarantines in some cities set 10 days ago are having effects. With the new quarantine measures, hopefully, we can see the number of new cases going to double digits per day by the end of the month.
On the other hand, China had a raise today after many days of decreasing. It is not that bad (only 36 new cases), but it is worse than yesterday. Spain and Germany have both increases, and we can expect them to reach Italy numbers very soon (in the case of Spain maybe by the end of the week). A total lockdown should be implemented everywhere as soon as possible. Leave the supermarkets and pharmacies open, close down everything else.
Finally, on Italy the mortality rate is 6.6%, much higher than the global rate (3.4%) or South Korea's one (0.7%). It shows clearly how things can turn ugly if hospitals get overwhelmed.
On the other hand, China had a raise today after many days of decreasing. It is not that bad (only 36 new cases), but it is worse than yesterday. Spain and Germany have both increases, and we can expect them to reach Italy numbers very soon (in the case of Spain maybe by the end of the week). A total lockdown should be implemented everywhere as soon as possible. Leave the supermarkets and pharmacies open, close down everything else.
Finally, on Italy the mortality rate is 6.6%, much higher than the global rate (3.4%) or South Korea's one (0.7%). It shows clearly how things can turn ugly if hospitals get overwhelmed.
The death rate and new cases rate seems strange, are enough people being tested? Lots of people said South Korea has the best testing regime in the world.
I'm afraid you are mistaken. Italy had 2300 new cases today, although around 600 are leftovers from the day before when reports were not filed in time. It amounts to an increase of around 1700 per day for the last three days. Hopefully it signals the end of the exponential increase, but even if it does there is still a long way to go.
One positive is that the original outbreak areas that were quarantined have seen a huge reduction in cases, so quarantine does work.
Italy have also stopped testing people who dont show symptoms, so the fatality numbers will be skewed.
One thing I’ve learnt when this is over is an overall mortality rate shouldn’t be the thing plastered over the news its gives the risk groups a false sense of security. If the news was telling the older generation there’s a 15/20% chance of fatality in that age range they would pay a lot more notice.
some of the most stubborn people are the ones that should be worried the most but they will quote 3% I’ll take my chances in reality it’s nothing like that.
some of the most stubborn people are the ones that should be worried the most but they will quote 3% I’ll take my chances in reality it’s nothing like that.
Well, I'm sure the stupidity of people is one of the reasons. You just have to look at the example someone posted earlier in the thread where one of their employees was refusing to self-isolate for two weeks because "life's too short". You can imagine how people that dense would react to extended restrictions. Plus when you think of the potential for people to panic one can also imagine why it would be preferable to gradually ramp things rather than jumping straight into harsh measures. Though as you say, some of the government messaging seems to have gone too far the other way.
But even if everyone is was very calm and sensible, there's still only so long a country can last in lockdown conditions given the disruption it causes to pretty much every aspect of life.
Yes, unfortunately, I am. It was 800 something when I checked, but now got updated to 2313, which is higher than any other day. If there are 600 from yesterday, it means that today are 1700 cases, while yesterday was around 1600 (it was close to 1000 yesterday, so if we add 1600). It is still higher than yesterday, which is worrying, but it is better than 2 days ago.
A very good point. I'd also extend that and say perhaps with that angle the non-risk group would also be a bit more altruistic and caring in their response.
One question I had is how long is it taking for tests to come back in the UK?
I saw on a BBC article a few days back that it was 2-3 days, With todays video from the old guy saying they'll ramp up tests to 10k a day with results taking 48 hours.
A week behind if you consider the average incubation period of 5 days and then potentially 48 hours before results.
I saw on a BBC article a few days back that it was 2-3 days, With todays video from the old guy saying they'll ramp up tests to 10k a day with results taking 48 hours.
A week behind if you consider the average incubation period of 5 days and then potentially 48 hours before results.
So Madrid has gone into lockdown with schools and colleges closing, La Liga games to be played behind closed doors and Atletico fans are allowed to travel to the UK to watch their team play Liverpool.
Seems legit
Seems legit
It really is mental. Already yesterday some countries included Madrid in their travel restrictions and in the company I work, were not allowed to travel to Spain anymore.
oh my days.. 6160 new cases worldwide and 316 deaths so far today and there's still another 6 hours to go 
What do you expect with the pumpkin in charge.
I'd assume the real worldwide mortality rate is close to the 0.7% that S Korea are recording. Every death by the virus will be in the official figures of each country but every occurence of the virus won't be, possibly not even the majority of them. South Korea are the ones doing the most testing so you'd think their figures are the most accurate. There are probably 1000s of undocumented cases of the virus in Italy that nobody has died from, which skew the figures to make the mortality rate look much worse than it actually is.
Most people who are diminishing this with stuff like 1"% or "just the elderlies and sick" aren't evil or callous, just not enough inteligent to comprehend the numbers and abstractly imagine the various scenarios on their minds.
I'm on a bunch of daily steroids for my asthma, I'm guessing that makes it worse for me if I get hit?
Funny guy. I am going off the information received. If this becomes as bad as you guys assume it to get too I have said many times I would admit I was wrong on the topic.
god forbid someone has a different opinion or view...am i right
I think that climate change is a hoax, going by the information received. I think we should all start burning coal, again, based on received information.
If we are wrong, and climate change is real and it gets as bad as you guys assume, I would admit I was wrong in the topic.
god forbid someone has a different opinion or view...am I right
Latest from Italy as of 17.00 hours. The green (Guariti) are people who have recovered, the red (Deceduti) are deaths, the grey (Tamponi) are the number of tests.
Ricoverati con sintomi - Recovering with symptoms
Terapia Intensiva - In intensive care
Isolamento domiciliare - In isolation at home
https://www.thelocal.it/20200309/map-which-parts-of-italy-are-affected-by-coronavirus-outbreak
10 UK dead now
9 new cases in Ireland today bringing the total to 43 from just over 2300 tests. The amount of community transmissions appears to be quite low.
This really is monumentally stupid. How on earth are they not being made to play behind closed doors and fans stopped from travelling?
I'm furious about this. So unnecessary and will literally result in British people's deaths.
Possibly, or possibly they see the inevitability of it.
Everyday we balance risk with convince, everything we drive a car, or cross a road. They have a high platitude for risk.
We don't stop the world economy for the flu. We would stop it for ebola. Everything else is negotiation
Being a culchie island, outside of Dublin, could really save our asses.
I'm genuinely bewildered as to the ineptness of most governments. It's like everyone is trying to play a game of who's the most incompetent, and they somehow keep one-upping each other.
Disgusting.
Disgusting.
It seems the legislation is only valid if an imminent serious risk is declared by the secretary of state.
I can't imagine you being anything other than immeasurably calm!
To me it should be a very basic level of comprehension- if you're young and you're a carrier of this virus you could spread this to other people who are far more vulnerable. I feel like asking these people do you have any grandparents/uncles/aunts or relatives with health problems? What about your friends too, same question? It may be just a 'cold' to you but it could be a death sentence to someone else. Not to mention the demands on the NHS and economy putting a huge strain on society. It's not the end of the world but it's pretty scary the damage this could do.
Looking at you insurance policy Mr Smith there is no mention of Covid 19 treatment.
Treatment will cost you $200,000.
That is the triage in a country where you pay for your medical care at the point of treatment. Can you afford it.
It is nuts , a mate of mine has gone , he`s 72 years old, season ticket holder a fanatical old scouser but a really nice old guy . he has a heart condition too . Says it all really , the only way to keep him away would be to play behind closed doors .
Gotcha
Watching Mat Hancock live. The guy sitting behind him with the red tie coughing into his hand.
Coughing into Hancock’s hand? Amazing if true.
Youngest population in Europe too, I think, which should also help keep deaths down.
That is good to hear. I think I would feel more comfortable back home than in the US but who knows
As a Doctor who works in Liverpool it boggles my mind that the game is going on tonight with a full crowd including Atleti fans . Just absolute madness and pathetic decision making all around. I love football but this is just non sensical and asking for trouble