Could this pandemic be the turning point where over the next few years China surpasses the US as the world's foremost power? All depends on how the US handles it I guess.
SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)
- Thread starter Don't Kill Bill
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I was going to leave it until the 18th to get a full two month review but the next few days doesn't seem likely to change anything.
This is going to be the worst epidemic we have lived through and I don't think we are going to be the same people afterwards. Its going to go on for ages and everyone is going to know someone close who dies from Corvid-19.
Sucks to be right on this.
That's actually insane. Do those in charge have a problem with following scientific evidence from rest of the world? It's negligence at this point.
The point he makes about obesity is quite interesting and should definitely have the US on high-alert.
Oh Man, I've been holding off going to the gym since this escalated because it seems like a prime spot for superspreaders but now i'm thinking I should go...not that im obese but being fit and active seems like a good state to be in.
I'll go for a swim and a sauna that seems like a safer option
Exercise outside if possible matey - light jog outside etc.
The elderly nurse youtube guy that keeps getting posted on here had an episode all about it.
They won't be kicking these nurses and doctors out of the hospital room when they're lying on a bed needing their expertise.
Scumbags.
Doctors and nurses are the most important people in the country right now
Yeah the stuff that I've been reading and listening to both said that it wasn't an impossibility, per se. I think it was more to do with the fact that nobody knows 100%, so many professionals were speaking about alternatives and saying that just because you do test positive twice it doesn't necessarily suggest that you've been reinfected. More likely that it was just lingering in the body and the person that was being tested had a false negative test.
Consensus being (amongst the experts i've been reading and listing to) is that it's unlikely, but not impossible.
Yeah I did watch it but I can't remember it now if I'm honest. I've been diagnosed with fibromyalgia and get brain fog as result or so my gp tells me, so I really feel like I've got severe cognitive problems sometimes and hence I really struggle with some stuff, but that's for another thread.
Just in theory, how would a nationwide lockdown work? We've got mortgages and rents to pay, and general living costs. I guess, the living costs (outside of bills + food) get driven down in the event of a lockdown but what about mortgages and rent?
How has it worked in China?
How has it worked in China?
Every country made that mistake and also doesn't help that politicians joined the bandwagon on that speech. If it wasn't for the italian health professionals exposing how out of control the situation is (and bare in mind that the Lombardia region is one of the best places in the world in health services) that also helped on triggering this decision.
Due to what? An economic collapse?
By all accounts, false negatives are relatively common.
*promoted the bandwagon
I've arranged things with my family to guarantee that I will be living alone if/when I have to go to the hospital and work.
I was thinking about this earlier today and if it goes ballistic in America as predicted, you could imagine the likes of Trump politicising it as a biological weapon from China and uses it as a means to war.
True. The "Stay at home, wash your hands frequently and you're good" speech went all over the place. They were treating this threat as a seasonal flue.
Italy have waived mortgage payments for a while not sure about rent
Another 2000 cases in Italy today. It's hard to be sure as that includes a number of cases from yesterday that were not able to be confirmed until today, apparently 600 or so.
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Bit hyperbole to say the least, its shitty situation but its nowhere near lost like you are suggesting, there is no way every single person is going to know someone who dies from this, no way!
The government probably suspends debt collection and allow the army to deliver food door to door.
This would be the same Who that sang 'hope I die before I get old' I suppose?
Sad state of affairs.
So, this morning my boss asked us to confirm that our two methods of working remotely are functioning without any issues.
Also heard that there were a lot of high level COVID-19 discussions today.
Starting to think that we're going to close down the offices soon and strictly work from home.
Also heard that there were a lot of high level COVID-19 discussions today.
Starting to think that we're going to close down the offices soon and strictly work from home.
Italy have suspended mortgage payments already, so you'd probably see similar bespoke measures elsewhere. Ultimately though a lockdown would be extremely difficult to sustain for an extended period for a multiple of reasons and the government can only do so much to negate those factors.
You're talking about a landlord, remember.
Okay thought so. Yeah, I guess the more you let it spread the bigger/longer lockdown you need to control it. I reckon if at the initial outbreak, China and the govts had acted pro-actively they wouldn't have to take measures as severe as they've had to now (China have now been in lockdown for over a month IIRC).
For example, banning all flights from China at the end of January. Or if China themselves went into lockdown just a week earlier. But we're still delaying it, and i think the crash is going to be even more severe.
*By China i mean the province at the epicenter
Bit tricky to do that when government advice is to act as normal when coming back from all but a very short list of countries. Their only advice is to keep an eye on yourself, and self isolate if you get symptoms.
Surprised Madrid fans were allowed into the country with Spain also taking off.
A lot of people are misinformed or just dont care. One of the major reasons why it spreads out so fast
Well... they're republicans.
They're presumably just night vision goggles.
Are your really surprised? People have been allowed in from Italy when it was locked down domestically.
From Lombardy, 560 in intensive care:
75+ years - 20%
65-74 - 38%
50-64 - 32%
25-49 - 9%
18-24 - 1% (3 people)
75+ years - 20%
65-74 - 38%
50-64 - 32%
25-49 - 9%
18-24 - 1% (3 people)
Unfortunately, many people are idiots. A low-level of understanding of math would help anyone, and make them realize that this is a much bigger problem than the number of people who are infected today. A lot of people in a conceptual level fail to understand what does an exponential function mean, and intuitively think that '500 people got infected in a country of 60 million, so the risk of me getting infected is 500/60m, and so not a big deal', or 'it took 3 months for 500 people to get infected, so in the next 3 months there is gonna be another 500 people to get infected, so not a big deal'.
When in fact it is closer to 'it took 3 months for 500 people to get infected, on 3 months time there are gonna be half a million of infected, in four months 5 million and in 5 months half of the country, so the chances of me getting infected are around 1/2, and chances of me dying in this year from it are around 1% which for many people is higher than from all other causes combined'.
Not moving early enough on these measures is a huge concern.
Though the other concern being expressed (which is particularly disputed in this thread) is that implementing severe measure too early will also carry risk precisely because they are so unsustainable. If extremely difficult measures are implemented early and then inevitably come to an end, what's the plan afterwards? Especially if the virus is just hitting its peak elsewhere at that point? The Deputy Chief Medical Officer today warned of the dangers of secondary peaks of the illness. One can only imagine how difficult it would be to return to the harshest measures for a second time when the population is only just recovering from the first bout.
