Sir Patrick Vallance says 20,000 UK deaths would be a 'good outcome'.
The UK has failed
The UK has failed
SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)
- Thread starter Don't Kill Bill
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30%-70% more easily transmissable
They won't. It'll be a couple more weeks of high daily deaths. The good news is that admissions to hospital are falling.
Of course they're not. We were at 50k cases a week 2 weeks ago and hospitalisations have been rising.
But case numbers have been down for 2 weeks now, and it will make a difference. Unfortunately, there's some more grim death news to come in the meantime.
Seen on the likes of Sky News saying how behind these numbers are a loved one. This time tomorrow they'll announce the latest numbers and move on within a minute.
Horrible milestone reached. The minor positive is that cases look to be coming down but I doubt that will get reflected in the number of deaths coming down for at least another 1/2 weeks.
Serious questions have to be asked about how the govt has handled the pandemic from the start & there needs to be some accountability.
Serious questions have to be asked about how the govt has handled the pandemic from the start & there needs to be some accountability.
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The UK has failed, our government has failed, our media has failed to hold them account, the opposition sit on the fence.
Apart from Piers Morgan on the odd occassion, I've seen little media scrutiny of how we have the 5th highest death toll in the world which is shocking considering the size of us compared to other nations. It is an absolute scandal of the highest order.
100% this!
They're all mates with the cnuts. The British media treat the Tories in the same way Ty does Arsenal.
Lewis Goodall for Newsnight is pretty good.
The thing that angers me from a media standpoint is that today they'll be rightly taking about how today is a sombre and grim moment and how say that behind these numbers are a human tragedy, this time tomorrow the numbers will just be another statistics mentioned in 30 seconds
Compare and contrast how hour media announce the daily death figures yesterday, today and tomorrow.
Definitely agree regarding figures and yes have seen some stuff from Lewis Goodall who has done a good job. This kind of stuff should be a resignation moment for any Government but considering what this one has done since the election, they are like Teflon.
His answer to Laura Mouthpiece was fecking pathetic.
Today's news is tomorrow's fish paper. No different back then as it is now.
Excuse the whataboutism, but if this was Corbyn, he'd be facing demands to resign
Absolutely agree with this, particularly the final 2 points. Boris & his cabinet will get away without any actual accountability as the media barely ask them tough questions. Boris waffles away some BS and on we go. Nothing of substance gets asked at these conferences.
I’m still trying to work out what Starmer is doing aside from his “I’m not as bad as Boris” routine.
Resign? There'd have been a military coup before Christmas.
feck me the 'big' journalists are absolutely woeful.
I think some are waiting for the dust to settle before going full guns. Let's face it, it's not as though Boris hasn't given them any ammunition.
I'm going to repeat but compare and contrast how our media announce the daily death figures yesterday, today and tomorrow.
"there's a human story behind these numbers" should have been a line said EVERY TIME a tv presenter announced the daily death figures.
On ITV, 2 nights ago, the news presenter mention the death figures and in the same fecking sentence say "but there was good news"
"there's a human story behind these numbers" should have been a line said EVERY TIME a tv presenter announced the daily death figures.
On ITV, 2 nights ago, the news presenter mention the death figures and in the same fecking sentence say "but there was good news"
He would have to win an election first before you'd even get to a discussion of resignation.
Hey, at least Labour have a proper leader these days.
So far in response to this on social media, I've seen:
- Other countries don't publish deaths properly
- Have we looked at China
- We are only one of a handful of countries who publish 28 days figure so would be down the per capita table if others did the same.
- Other countries have been less than honest
Even the fecking speaker of the house doesn't make him answer questions at PMQs. Bloody joke all round.
100,000 deaths and
Pure death cult at this point
Pure death cult at this point
This world beating death toll is another bonus of the bomb that was put under the UK in June 2016. Even if we acknowledge the fact that the Tories would have underfunded the NHS anyway and Johnson could have become PM under other circumstances, there is no way without the crisis of the last 4 years that (1) the Cabinet collectively would be so poor, (2) the civil service would be demoralised by having a maniac like Cummings attacking them for a year and (3) the collective resources and attention of the executive would be monopolised by one single (avoidable) issue. We definitely would have suffered, like all our neighbours, but not to this extent.
Give it a few weeks when we enter February when the UK reaches it vaccine target. Johnson will get a boost and how the UK is starting to 'win' the 'war' against COVID
What exactly would they have to do to lose support?
And 49% for parties who are are, at least to some degree, progressive but split 3 ways.
I think Starmer has been pretty shite(He's clearly terrified to say anything)but even with that, it's fecking mad the tories are polling around 40%.
There's seems to be a massive generational gap in the UK, that for a ton of reasons seems to be unbreakable. Everyone over the age of 40 is a tory
The word "if" is an important concept. You might want to check it out.
Reading through the last few pages of this thread I am curious about what is "acceptable" for the amount deaths for people on here.
The Government completely botched the first lock down and were atleast 2 weeks late with their inactions directly contributing to the high death rate. In that time when the UK was hitting 20k Germany was around 2k, iirc, and were highly praised at the time, but looking at them now are upto 55k. Taking into account similar population size, cultural attitudes and the slight difference in population density, would 65k be acceptable?
The Government completely botched the first lock down and were atleast 2 weeks late with their inactions directly contributing to the high death rate. In that time when the UK was hitting 20k Germany was around 2k, iirc, and were highly praised at the time, but looking at them now are upto 55k. Taking into account similar population size, cultural attitudes and the slight difference in population density, would 65k be acceptable?
Ignore what the media moguls demand of them.
This should be getting done 24/7 so people can tangibly see the damage that’s being caused every day. Too many just don’t give a feck because they aren’t seeing the impact.
this should have been done all time before today. This won't happen tomorrow
I’m the wrong side of your age divide and not a Tory but I take your point. It is in fact getting worse in England - in the early 90s, John Major (who was fundamentally a decent person) was destroyed by the pound being ejected from the ERM.Today we have an unprincipled charlatan whose cynical promotion of Brexit has caused wilful economic damage unknown in living memory while overseeing the worst death rate in the world. And yet his party (maybe under Sunak) will probably win in 2024.
Why 10 days? 4 days too short surely?
I should have tbh although it quickly became clear he had an axe to grind so just left him to ramble on and lost interest in engaging.