SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)

Tensions are beginning to rise again in Italy. The government is falling apart of its own accord for unrelated reasons, but now the Lombardy region is pushing for relaxing restrictions. For context, we are one of 3/20 locked down Red Zones, despite having numerous indicators in a better shape than much of the rest of the country. The region accounts for about a quarter of the economy and people are getting frustrated at being pushed to get out working and keep the economy moving, and at the same time being locked in their houses outside work hours, all whilst the rest of the country lives pretty freely. The police here don't seem particularly interested in enforcing things anymore and lots more people are flouting the rules.
 
11101 said:
Tensions are beginning to rise again in Italy. The government is falling apart of its own accord for unrelated reasons, but now the Lombardy region is pushing for relaxing restrictions. For context, we are one of 3/20 locked down Red Zones, despite having numerous indicators in a better shape than much of the rest of the country. The region accounts for about a quarter of the economy and people are getting frustrated at being pushed to get out working and keep the economy moving, and at the same time being locked in their houses outside work hours, all whilst the rest of the country lives pretty freely. The police here don't seem particularly interested in enforcing things anymore and lots more people are flouting the rules.
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I'm about to relocate to Florence. I've been hearing that people are having a great time there.
 
Anyone had the vaccine yet?
My wife's getting hers tomorrow (NHS worker)
My Ma got hers last week (NHS worker), my nan got hers last week too (old and wrinkly)
Seems like the NHS are doing a sterling job with this vaccine roll out, very efficient.
 
Champ said:
Anyone had the vaccine yet?
My wife's getting hers tomorrow (NHS worker)
My Ma got hers last week (NHS worker), my nan got hers last week too (old and wrinkly)
Seems like the NHS are doing a sterling job with this vaccine roll out, very efficient.
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My mum gets hers on Thursday.
 
Solius said:
My mum gets hers on Thursday.
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One thing to note, it seems like there's a massive delay in getting the second jab, we're talking march/beginning of April,
Be interesting to see if your ma has the same time scale?!
 
Champ said:
One thing to note, it seems like there's a massive delay in getting the second jab, we're talking march/beginning of April,
Be interesting to see if your ma has the same time scale?!
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Yeah she said she's not sure when the second will be but thinks it'll be a few months.
 
Grinner said:
I'm about to relocate to Florence. I've been hearing that people are having a great time there.
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I wouldn't doubt that, @Penna is a bit closer to Florence than me. Here at least it all feels like people need a release valve. The mountain resorts opening was supposed to be a big one but they have all been delayed until mid February.
 
11101 said:
I wouldn't doubt that, @Penna is a bit closer to Florence than me. Here at least it all feels like people need a release valve. The mountain resorts opening was supposed to be a big one but they have all been delayed until mid February.
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It's been ok here in Perugia although a bit dull. I fancy somewhere a bit livelier and I think museums/galleries are about to open.
 
Carolina Red said:
So I've recovered from Covid. Still having lingering symptoms of headaches and being really easily winded (feeling as if I were running at altitude instead of sea level).

I find out this morning that my mom and dad have both tested positive and are having more serious symptoms than what I experienced. Then 15 minutes later, my wife tells me that between 7am and 10am in her ICU, they'd had 4 patients die, coded another, and had put 5 more on ventilators.

Just... wtf man
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You are leading a similar phase to me, I really hope your parents recover swiftly and your wife is OK mentally too. It's not easy in ICU.

My wife is also working ICU here in London, do you mean your wife also works in ICU too? I certainly hope she's not admitted to ICU!

My parents too have covid. Thankfully my dad despite higher risk is having very mild symptoms, and my mum has zero appetite and severe exhaustion. Fortunately no cough or breathing difficulties, but it's only day 7 so few more days yet. I hope mine and your family pull through unaffected!
 
VP89 said:
You are leading a similar phase to me, I really hope your parents recover swiftly and your wife is OK mentally too. It's not easy in ICU.

My wife is also working ICU here in London, do you mean your wife also works in ICU too? I certainly hope she's not admitted to ICU!

My parents too have covid. Thankfully my dad despite higher risk is having very mild symptoms, and my mum has zero appetite and severe exhaustion. Fortunately no cough or breathing difficulties, but it's only day 7 so few more days yet. I hope mine and your family pull through unaffected!
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I hope you all recover swiftly and fully
 
Solius said:
My gf's best mate works for the Treasury and has said the same.
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be surprised if they don’t use the school holidays as a realistic time to think about relaxing anything.

Think half term in most areas is mid-February so I think they should extend the half term by another week and take this ‘lockdown’ to the very of Feb.
 
VP89 said:
You are leading a similar phase to me, I really hope your parents recover swiftly and your wife is OK mentally too. It's not easy in ICU.

My wife is also working ICU here in London, do you mean your wife also works in ICU too? I certainly hope she's not admitted to ICU!

My parents too have covid. Thankfully my dad despite higher risk is having very mild symptoms, and my mum has zero appetite and severe exhaustion. Fortunately no cough or breathing difficulties, but it's only day 7 so few more days yet. I hope mine and your family pull through unaffected!
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Yeah, my wife is a nurse in the ICU here.

Wow, our experiences are very similar, that’s wild. It’s just flipped with my dad as he is the one experiencing what your mom is. My mom said she has started improving as of yesterday.
 
My mum got her first jab on Saturday. Her second dose is on the 27th March. She got the AstraZeneca one.
 
Simbo said:
I think that it something to do with how media were portraying things and where they were looking. The medical communities were being flooded with data coming out of China as soon as it all kicked off in January.



I'm not sure we can even be 100% certain it originated in China at this stage. It was seemingly in Italy in November 19. https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/epdf/10.1111/bjd.19804
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According to this article a case was found in China though in November the 17th. I don't know if it makes any difference.

https://www.scmp.com/news/china/soc...nas-first-confirmed-covid-19-case-traced-back
 
Carolina Red said:
Yeah, my wife is a nurse in the ICU here.

Wow, our experiences are very similar, that’s wild. It’s just flipped with my dad as he is the one experiencing what your mom is. My mom said she has started improving as of yesterday.
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That's crazy. I can empathize for sure - hope everyone pulls through just fine.

I think we probably underestimate the mental stress of working in ICU. They had 279 positive patients in the hospital from Tuesday, and to think a huge part of it is down to sheer incompetence from the Government is just frustrating.
 
MikeUpNorth said:
It does seem a little suspicious that the new super-spreading bat-derived coronavirus shows up in the backyard of the only Chinese lab doing gain-of-function experiments on bat coronaviruses, I'll give you that.

I suspect we'll never be sure of the origins one way or the other. I guess at this point it doesn't really matter anyway, other than lessons about how to prevent future outbreaks.
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That is quite important though. If covid 19 is indeed the result of a gof leak, I think the least is to relocate these labs away from big cities.

Thank you for sharing the article, very informative.
 
Mihai said:
That is quite important though. If covid 19 is indeed the result of a gof leak, I think the least is to relocate these labs away from big cities.

Thank you for sharing the article, very informative.
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On the whole Lab-leak hypothesis, I don't know if this article I read today reveals any new information, but I don't personally consider the whole thing completely implausible. If CCP had been more transparent in letting in an open international investigation it would look less shady, but the whole thing has become so politized and castastrophic that the consequences could be incredibly dangerous if it was a result of a accident.

https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/4104828

https://www.wired.com/story/if-covid-19-did-start-with-a-lab-leak-would-we-ever-know/

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7744920/
 
37k people currently in hospital with Covid.

Will hit 90k deaths tomorrow, and unbelievably, 100k in probably 9 days. Horrific.

Vaccine roll out going well. However, in the next 8 weeks when a lot more people are going for their second jab, the rate of new vaccinations will slowly down significantly?
 
So in today's press conference someone asked:
"how much would it matter if there was a surge of cases among younger people, if the most vulnerable were already vaccinated? "​
To which Hannock replied:
"The most difficult question we don't have an answer to is how much a vaccine protects the most vulnerable groups, not just from catching Covid but from serious disease, and the degree of transmission that you get from people that have caught Covid. "​

That's a really scary statement, basically saying we don't know how much of an effect the vacancies are going to have on the vulnerable. Am I miss interpreting that?

I suppose that begs the question is the should probably play down the whole light at the end of the tunnel and don't blow it now stuff they are saying if they don't have the data to say the vulnerable will be protected after the vaccine.
 
Steve Cotterill, the manager of League 1 side Shrewsbury Town, has been battling Covid in intensive care.

 
Nytram Shakes said:
So in today's press conference someone asked:
"how much would it matter if there was a surge of cases among younger people, if the most vulnerable were already vaccinated? "​
To which Hannock replied:
"The most difficult question we don't have an answer to is how much a vaccine protects the most vulnerable groups, not just from catching Covid but from serious disease, and the degree of transmission that you get from people that have caught Covid. "​

That's a really scary statement, basically saying we don't know how much of an effect the vacancies are going to have on the vulnerable. Am I miss interpreting that?

I suppose that begs the question is the should probably play down the whole light at the end of the tunnel and don't blow it now stuff they are saying if they don't have the data to say the vulnerable will be protected after the vaccine.
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Unfortunately, he’s making a fair point. The most vulnerable are usually not eligible to take part in trials. Because of the unacceptable level of risk they’re exposed to with an untested treatment. So there’s always an element of the unknown when they start getting the drug in question. Having said that, they will definitely get some protection. It’s just hard to build accurate models based on exactly how much protection. And the accuracy of those models matters when it comes to making public health decisions.
 
Nytram Shakes said:
So in today's press conference someone asked:
"how much would it matter if there was a surge of cases among younger people, if the most vulnerable were already vaccinated? "​
To which Hannock replied:
"The most difficult question we don't have an answer to is how much a vaccine protects the most vulnerable groups, not just from catching Covid but from serious disease, and the degree of transmission that you get from people that have caught Covid. "​

That's a really scary statement, basically saying we don't know how much of an effect the vacancies are going to have on the vulnerable. Am I miss interpreting that?

I suppose that begs the question is the should probably play down the whole light at the end of the tunnel and don't blow it now stuff they are saying if they don't have the data to say the vulnerable will be protected after the vaccine.
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They need to start saying April for T3....already a lot of people thinking its going to be all systems go in March
 
Carolina Red said:
Thank you fellas. The well wishes are truly appreciated.

Just an update: my mom seems to have a similar case to mine. She's experiencing very similar symptoms to what I had. My dad, however, is being hit much harder. He's a fighter... was captain of a football team that won 4 championships in a row, captain of a championship wrestling team, was a Chief Petty Officer in the US Navy... so he has it in him to flip a switch into the fighter mindset and go to battle, but he's older now and his body isn't as good at fighting as his mind still is. Thankfully, his blood oxygen is still between 93-95% at any given time, but he is having a very bad time with fever and nausea. When the nausea and fever finally subside and he tries to eat, his fever and nausea spike back up again, so he's feeling really weak even though he can still breathe relatively well. I dropped some Pedialyte powder off at their house today so he doesn't have to drink as much fluid to keep his electrolytes up. Hopefully that will help him some. Today is Day 10 since his symptoms began, so hopefully he only has to hang in there for a couple/few more days.
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Well glad that your mom seems to be a mild case. Good that your dad is a fighter. Hope both your parents get well soon.

VP89 said:
You are leading a similar phase to me, I really hope your parents recover swiftly and your wife is OK mentally too. It's not easy in ICU.

My wife is also working ICU here in London, do you mean your wife also works in ICU too? I certainly hope she's not admitted to ICU!

My parents too have covid. Thankfully my dad despite higher risk is having very mild symptoms, and my mum has zero appetite and severe exhaustion. Fortunately no cough or breathing difficulties, but it's only day 7 so few more days yet. I hope mine and your family pull through unaffected!
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Sorry to hear that. Hope your parents get better soon.
 
Do they provide stats for people admitted to hospital with Covid by age range?
 
tombombadil said:
Well glad that your mom seems to be a mild case. Good that your dad is a fighter. Hope both your parents get well soon.


Sorry to hear that. Hope your parents get better soon.
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Thanks, and thanks all.

Fingers crossed from here.
 
My wife is getting vaccinated in the morning for work, she is a home carer and they have been told they will be getting tested twice weekly as it is still possible that they can catch and transmit covid but may not become ill or have any symptoms. Still a lot of unknowns but they have been told to act as if they haven`t been vaccinated and continue to distance, masks, hand washing etc but hopefully the vaccine should give the carers some protection.
 
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