SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)

BD said:
Am I right in saying that surface transmission of the virus is very low, and most/all comes from breathing in the bad stuff?
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Nothing's for certain, but that does seem to fit the characteristics of transmission so far. Then again, there are degrees of risk - picking the virus up off a surface and sticking it in your eyes/mouth/nose appears less likely that having it on your hand from someone coughing at you and then you touching your eyes/mouth/nose. But inhalation is considered the most common route according to the US CDC and a fairly large proportion of the experts around the world.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/faq.html#Spread

https://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/acs.estlett.0c00966

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...-not-masks-aid-spread-of-covid-19-coronavirus
 
lynchie said:
Nothing's for certain, but that does seem to fit the characteristics of transmission so far. Then again, there are degrees of risk - picking the virus up off a surface and sticking it in your eyes/mouth/nose appears less likely that having it on your hand from someone coughing at you and then you touching your eyes/mouth/nose. But inhalation is considered the most common route according to the US CDC and a fairly large proportion of the experts around the world.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/faq.html#Spread

https://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/acs.estlett.0c00966

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...-not-masks-aid-spread-of-covid-19-coronavirus
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Thanks!
 
Classical Mechanic said:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...-reinstate-bouncers-outside-supermarkets.html

Gladys not feeling the urgency for masks in the supermarket

But after putting on her mask, Gladys then lowered it below her mouth as she continued with her shop. She said: 'I find them too uncomfortable. I don't see what the fuss is, I've got a mask on, it's just not covering my nose and mouth at the moment'
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Makes perfect sense. In fact, when I shop I also place my shopping bag flat on the ground and lay the items I've bought on top of it. When I lift the bag everything falls off, which makes no sense because my stuff was "on" the bag. I then get "in" my car - the boot, specifically - so I can drive home. For some reason I'm unable to reach the steering wheel or pedals.

On an unrelated note I don't know how I've got four kids when I always wear a condom. I only tie it around my balls but it's technically "on".
 
Penna said:
Everyone wears a mask here, young, old and ancient. They have them on in the street and in the shops, because we have to wear them as soon as we leave our homes. It's been this way for months and months, and unless we miraculously have no one with asthma here, it doesn't seem to cause anyone any difficulties.
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Same here. You just don't see anyone without a mask in public. There are big fines on it, and there is no warning system, you pay up immediately. Even at work, to get a coffee, you put on your mask (for the few people that are present...)
 
Grinner said:
A lot of them are just itching to be confronted about it too.

The govt. fecked up by not mandating mask wearing back in March. People would have gone for it.
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I do wonder if these people realise they are marking themselves for life. Some day soon the pandemic will be over, but the reputation some people are gathering as lunatic anti-vaccine/hoaxers will stick with them forever. I know a few people in their 20s and 30s who are being slowly ostracised from society because of their beliefs.


Penna said:
Everyone wears a mask here, young, old and ancient. They have them on in the street and in the shops, because we have to wear them as soon as we leave our homes. It's been this way for months and months, and unless we miraculously have no one with asthma here, it doesn't seem to cause anyone any difficulties.
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Partly it's because it's enforced. You will be stopped, fined and ultimately arrested if you refuse to don one. There are twice as many police here as in the UK though, more now the Army are involved.
 
BD said:
Am I right in saying that surface transmission of the virus is very low, and most/all comes from breathing in the bad stuff?
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Unless of course someone sneezes or coughs near your hands or on a surface you just touched and then bite your fingernails or something. Better safe than sorry I’d say. Wash wash wash your hands
 
golden_blunder said:
Unless of course someone sneezes or coughs near your hands or on a surface you just touched and then bite your fingernails or something. Better safe than sorry I’d say. Wash wash wash your hands
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I still wipe down everything I buy. It's tedious but I've not caught it yet so why stop? It'd be like removing flood barriers because you haven't had a flood.
 
Stack said:
So down here in NZ we are tightening border restrictions even further because of the new strain of Covid. We had been allowing NZ citizens and essential workers to travel here with mandatory isolation stays in Hotels for 14 days. That hasnt changed but now there is the added requirement of having a negative test within 72 hours of travel here for all other countries except for the Pacific Islands, Australia and Antartica. It looks like we are getting stricter with each month. We dont start our vaccine program until April and that is for just 750,000 people initially out of a 5 million population. We arent expected to get the majority of the population vaccinated until the end of the year. So it looks like another full year of basically isolation from tourism and general travel for us. Right now its summer and the majority of the population are pretty happy with the state of things, the economy is doing much much better than predicted, unemployment is still low but there are some clouds on the horizon and I expect people to start putting pressure on Govt to adapt by the end of the year. We desperately want everywhere else to start having some success with the virus both for them but also for our own desires. Its going to be a long year even when Im just looking in from the sidelines.
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Feels like it would be an easy win to vaccinate on arrival and departure of quarantine hotels. Charge of course.
 
Ronaldo's Mum Eh? said:
The first lockdown was needed as we had no fecking clue about what this virus was.

I agree with that because even I thought we would all be fecked. I thought this would kill 10% of the world's population. But we are now a year on from this "deadly virus" and we have so much information that we can make sound and logical decisions.

Carrying on with lockdowns and FORCING people to vaccinate for a virus that is not deadly in the slightest is a joke. We should be more concerned about getting people healthy to combat the virus, not looking to force vaccinations and wear masks 24/7.
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You are right not many people who get it die (percentage wise) but it's not about the death rate. If we were only getting 1,000 cases and 50 deaths a day from this virus it would be long off mainstream news and we'd all still be living like it never came let alone was still around.

It's about the spread and that we can't have too many people hospitalised at one go. As awful as it would have been for the people of Wuhan it would have actually been better for the world if this virus was much more deadly as it would have killed it hosts before it could cause any havoc spreading. That's why people even who aren't that high risk should get the vaccine.

I do think we have gone well too far with some restrictions but others were most certainly needed.

United58 said:
Wasn't there a state in Australia that made walking your dog illegal?
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Really? :O
 
golden_blunder said:
Unless of course someone sneezes or coughs near your hands or on a surface you just touched and then bite your fingernails or something. Better safe than sorry I’d say. Wash wash wash your hands
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Yes - washing your hands is just a good idea anyway - our hands are pretty disgusting at times.

I'd say the importance of realising that inhalation is generally a bigger issue is with places that claim to be "covid-secure" because they have hand sanitiser every 5 feet, but closed all the windows and shut off the ventilation some time in November because it was a bit cold.
 
Ronaldo's Mum Eh? said:
The first lockdown was needed as we had no fecking clue about what this virus was.

I agree with that because even I thought we would all be fecked. I thought this would kill 10% of the world's population. But we are now a year on from this "deadly virus" and we have so much information that we can make sound and logical decisions.

Carrying on with lockdowns and FORCING people to vaccinate for a virus that is not deadly in the slightest is a joke. We should be more concerned about getting people healthy to combat the virus, not looking to force vaccinations and wear masks 24/7.
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With all the knowledge, treatments, experience from the first wave and alleged compliance, awareness, protocols for elderly and mask wearing, Italy being first hit got given a pass from the first wave but they have now had thousands more deaths officially in this second wave and it's still counting with over 600 deaths announced today, same goes for many countries that followed Italy. I don't think Western nations are ready yet to live with this like East Asians nations seem to and probably never will. Japan is perhaps the most puzzling for some with the highest older population and the total of 120 million on a very small piece of land with very low amounts of testing,
 
Berbasbullet said:
I’m yet to see someone without a mask in a shop but I see idiots not covering their mouths and noses.

Also almost no one uses the hand san as they go in which I find utterly bizarre (maybe they use their own?).
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Personally I use my own because A: Its better than the watered down shit my local shops have, and B: I dont want to stand next to a bunch of people queuing
 
Stack said:
Sorry, having read back what I posted it looks like gloating. Its not meant that way at all. I have family up in Scotland who are older and have been in some form of lockdown or restrictins since March which bothers me. I really hope you guys in Europe get some positive news of some sort soon
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No need to apologise mate. Didn't sound like gloating at all. Your country has handled the pandemic extremely well. That is something that gives me hope, that the rest of the World can learn from!

I'm just saying you have plenty to be positive about, in context.
 
Expected deaths but cases at 45k still is perhaps a sign it may have peaked at 68k hopefully.

4200 hospital admissions again is not good at all and will take a long time to come down.
 
DavidDeSchmikes said:
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Remember. None of what politicians say is meant to mean anything. It is just empty words they spout to try and make themselves appear 'clever' to their followers.
As soon as you try to discect it, you realise it is 100% bullshit.
Nothing more and nothing less.
 
Drawfull said:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...sburys-morrisons-security-guards-on-new-rules

This shit infuriates me. How many people are walking around your local UK supermarket smoking? They can and do stop it.
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In reality, they're working with the guidance. If that has grey areas, then it makes the job of enforcing anything more difficult (the police are saying exactly the same on their current parameters). If the government want this enforced, then it's quite simple for them to put it exemption element into law, like they've done with the face coverings. Again a wider question is whether this should this be a retailer or police matter to enforce the law? Especially when the latter has the power to act.

It's a bit embarrassing for the government that supermarkets are having to lead the line on this. Patel's comments at the press conference were teflon shoulder-esque, insinuating that it's society's responsibility to enforce.
 
https://www.google.com/amp/s/news.s...pare-with-past-decades-and-centuries-12185275

A good link for anyone who claims this virus isn't deadly or we don't need to worry about it.

A really good article which gives balanced and reasonable facts and figures explaining the mortality rate from last year in comparison to previous years.

Anyone suggesting it's a 99% survival rate would do well to also look at the hospitalisation figures. That's where the bigger issue lies.
 
I have a test booked in tonight because I've got a few symptoms (cough, taste).

Kinda feels just like a cold really but I made the mistake of telling my mum on the phone and she's forced me to get tested.

I was surprised how easy it was to book a test and also how many open slots there were. I could literally have picked any time between now and 7pm.

If I do have it, its from Tesco at the weekend as I've not left the flat other than a daily walk outside (on my own).
 
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