SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)

So down here in NZ we are tightening border restrictions even further because of the new strain of Covid. We had been allowing NZ citizens and essential workers to travel here with mandatory isolation stays in Hotels for 14 days. That hasnt changed but now there is the added requirement of having a negative test within 72 hours of travel here for all other countries except for the Pacific Islands, Australia and Antartica. It looks like we are getting stricter with each month. We dont start our vaccine program until April and that is for just 750,000 people initially out of a 5 million population. We arent expected to get the majority of the population vaccinated until the end of the year. So it looks like another full year of basically isolation from tourism and general travel for us. Right now its summer and the majority of the population are pretty happy with the state of things, the economy is doing much much better than predicted, unemployment is still low but there are some clouds on the horizon and I expect people to start putting pressure on Govt to adapt by the end of the year. We desperately want everywhere else to start having some success with the virus both for them but also for our own desires. Its going to be a long year even when Im just looking in from the sidelines.
 

All five of the people I know who’ve had the virus still have symptoms or after effects. One couple, mid 60’s, who were in ICU in March last year still struggle with fatigue and shortness of breath.

Another, a regular client of mine, male in his late 40’s, wasn’t hospitalised first time but was admitted a month or so later still has fatigue and shortness of breath. I haven’t actually heard from him for some time now.

The others, my friend at work, 31, and his fiancé, late 20’s had it back in Oct. They both seemed to have quite a mild bout and they’re still suffering from fatigue.

The fact that my client and work friends are young (ish) and still not fully recovered is something of a concern.
 
So down here in NZ we are tightening border restrictions even further because of the new strain of Covid. We had been allowing NZ citizens and essential workers to travel here with mandatory isolation stays in Hotels for 14 days. That hasnt changed but now there is the added requirement of having a negative test within 72 hours of travel here for all other countries except for the Pacific Islands, Australia and Antartica. It looks like we are getting stricter with each month. We dont start our vaccine program until April and that is for just 750,000 people initially out of a 5 million population. We arent expected to get the majority of the population vaccinated until the end of the year. So it looks like another full year of basically isolation from tourism and general travel for us. Right now its summer and the majority of the population are pretty happy with the state of things, the economy is doing much much better than predicted, unemployment is still low but there are some clouds on the horizon and I expect people to start putting pressure on Govt to adapt by the end of the year. We desperately want everywhere else to start having some success with the virus both for them but also for our own desires. Its going to be a long year even when Im just looking in from the sidelines.
Just count yourself lucky. You can either live with restrictions and without the virus, or with restrictions with the virus.

I'm glad you guys aren't taking up vaccine stock unnecessarily.
 
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https://vip.politicsmeanspolitics.com/2021/01/10/uk-covid-19-data-10-january-2021/
I thought cases had dropped by 20% in a week. That shows cases rising
 
So down here in NZ we are tightening border restrictions even further because of the new strain of Covid. We had been allowing NZ citizens and essential workers to travel here with mandatory isolation stays in Hotels for 14 days. That hasnt changed but now there is the added requirement of having a negative test within 72 hours of travel here for all other countries except for the Pacific Islands, Australia and Antartica. It looks like we are getting stricter with each month. We dont start our vaccine program until April and that is for just 750,000 people initially out of a 5 million population. We arent expected to get the majority of the population vaccinated until the end of the year. So it looks like another full year of basically isolation from tourism and general travel for us. Right now its summer and the majority of the population are pretty happy with the state of things, the economy is doing much much better than predicted, unemployment is still low but there are some clouds on the horizon and I expect people to start putting pressure on Govt to adapt by the end of the year. We desperately want everywhere else to start having some success with the virus both for them but also for our own desires. Its going to be a long year even when Im just looking in from the sidelines.
That is a great position to be in. Most countries in Europe are locked down in their homes.
 
All five of the people I know who’ve had the virus still have symptoms or after effects. One couple, mid 60’s, who were in ICU in March last year still struggle with fatigue and shortness of breath.

Another, a regular client of mine, male in his late 40’s, wasn’t hospitalised first time but was admitted a month or so later still has fatigue and shortness of breath. I haven’t actually heard from him for some time now.

The others, my friend at work, 31, and his fiancé, late 20’s had it back in Oct. They both seemed to have quite a mild bout and they’re still suffering from fatigue.

The fact that my client and work friends are young (ish) and still not fully recovered is something of a concern.

My next door neighbour has long Covid. He was in hospital for 10 days. He's totally fecked and needs an oxygen machine. He can last 15 minutes without the machine and walk about 15 yards at a time. He's in his late 60s. They've told him 6 months before he'll start to feel somewhat better. You have to wonder how many years it's going to take off his life.
 
That is a great position to be in. Most countries in Europe are locked down in their homes.
Sorry, having read back what I posted it looks like gloating. Its not meant that way at all. I have family up in Scotland who are older and have been in some form of lockdown or restrictins since March which bothers me. I really hope you guys in Europe get some positive news of some sort soon
 
My next door neighbour has long Covid. He was in hospital for 10 days. He's totally fecked and needs an oxygen machine. He can last 15 minutes without the machine and walk about 15 yards at a time. He's in his late 60s. They've told him 6 months before he'll start to feel somewhat better. You have to wonder how many years it's going to take off his life.

Yeah it’s awful to see. My client has been so ill since sept / Oct that he’s barely been in contact.

Ive wondered about the bolded bit with my friends Mum and Stepdad. His stepdad especially has aged so much in the last 10 months.
 
A very interesting article about the first (to date) person with Covid in Italy, diagnosed from a biopsy of a mysterious skin rash:

A woman in Milan was positive for the new coronavirus in November 2019, researchers have found, making her the earliest known patient in Italy to date.

Traces of the virus were detected in skin cells from a 25-year-old woman who had a biopsy for an unusual skin condition on November 10th 2019, according to Raffaele Gianotti, a researcher in dermatology at the University of Milan, who believes she could be "the dermatological Italian patient zero". At the time the woman reported having a mild sore throat, and months later tested positive for Covid-19 antibodies in her blood.

Previously the first confirmed Covid-19 patient in Italy was a child in Milan, who was swabbed after developing a measles-like rash in early December 2019 – two months before it became clear that the virus was circulating in the nearby town of Codogno, where 'native' cases were first detected in mid-February.

Gianotti and a team from the European Institute of Oncology (IEO) and the Italian Diagnostic Centre analysed skin samples taken in the autumn of 2019 to investigate whether any of the patients who reported skin conditions such as a rash or discolouration of fingers or toes might in fact have been showing symptoms of Covid-19.

Their study, to be published in the British Journal of Dermatology, found molecular traces of the SARS-CoV-2 virus in the biopsy taken from areas of reddened skin on the Milan woman's arms, which fitted a pattern seen in other Covid-19 patients.

Full article: https://www.thelocal.it/20210112/it...-milan-woman-had-coronavirus-in-november-2019
 
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...-reinstate-bouncers-outside-supermarkets.html

Gladys not feeling the urgency for masks in the supermarket

But after putting on her mask, Gladys then lowered it below her mouth as she continued with her shop. She said: 'I find them too uncomfortable. I don't see what the fuss is, I've got a mask on, it's just not covering my nose and mouth at the moment'
:lol: Nice one Gladys.
The number of people not wearing masks does seem to be going up a bit in my area.
 
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...-reinstate-bouncers-outside-supermarkets.html

Gladys not feeling the urgency for masks in the supermarket

But after putting on her mask, Gladys then lowered it below her mouth as she continued with her shop. She said: 'I find them too uncomfortable. I don't see what the fuss is, I've got a mask on, it's just not covering my nose and mouth at the moment'

Compliance with masks in shops in Ireland has been flawless in my experience. Literally never seen anyone not wearing one since it became obligatory a few months ago. Hasn’t stopped us topping the covid charts, mind you.

I do find it incredibly selfish though. What kind of twat wouldn’t put the mask over their nose/mouth for the brief time they’re walking around a shop?
 
It annoys me when they walk round the shop looking really pleased with themselves. Everyone thinks you're a selfish twat, no need to be smug.
 
My gf is awaiting some results because she's felt light-headed and nauseous the last few days. I've felt fine but woken up today quite off-balance and dizzy, also got a bit of nausea but none of the symptoms they tell you to keep an eye out for. I know they can be wide ranging though.

Should get my gfs results soon and my test is on the way I think.

Gf came back negative just now :D Mine should be the same whenever that comes.

We'd just cancelled the electrician that was supposed to come fix our lights as well ffs.
 
It annoys me when they walk round the shop looking really pleased with themselves. Everyone thinks you're a selfish twat, no need to be smug.
I’m yet to see someone without a mask in a shop but I see idiots not covering their mouths and noses.

Also almost no one uses the hand san as they go in which I find utterly bizarre (maybe they use their own?).
 
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...-reinstate-bouncers-outside-supermarkets.html

Gladys not feeling the urgency for masks in the supermarket

But after putting on her mask, Gladys then lowered it below her mouth as she continued with her shop. She said: 'I find them too uncomfortable. I don't see what the fuss is, I've got a mask on, it's just not covering my nose and mouth at the moment'
There are massive differences in compliance between shops. I've concluded for example, that Sainsbury's shoppers must have far more hidden health issues than Asda shoppers - given the large numbers of people not wearing masks in Sainsbury's.

Indeed the Sainsbury's PA system plays a recorded message about "hidden disabilities" every few minutes. The Asda one plays a reminder about wearing a mask and maintaining social distance. Of course, that may just be a local picture based on a couple of (big) Sainsbury's and the local (big) Asda. It's rare to see anyone in the Asda not wearing a mask, and those that don't are almost always wearing a visor.

Tesco, Morrisons and Aldi appear to be somewhere in between but have started to toughen up again - staff on the door doing reminders, offering masks.

Is it just a matter of the local store management?
 
All hospitalised patients though. I’d be surprised if most people hospitalised with a medical illness didn’t have at least one symptom 6 months later. If you’re so medically ill you need to go into hospital it can take a long time to fully recuperate, no matter what put you there.
I know a couple of people who had it, not hospitalised but suffering after effects. In their case, fatigue and ‘brain fog’
 
I’m yet to see someone without a mask in a shop but I see idiots not covering their mouths and noses.

Also almost no one uses the hand san as they go in which I find utterly bizarre (maybe they use their own?).

If I've been out and about to a few shops I may use it, but if I've driven to the supermarket and interacted with nobody I can't see how anyone is any safer by me squirting some hand sanitiser on my hands.

Especially given that those stations often have a bottleneck of people crowding round to use it in my local supermarkets and we now know that it is spread through airborne droplets more than through surfaces.

In general, my gut feeling (and I'll happily be corrected on this) is too much effort is spent worrying about hands from the period at the start of the virus when we didn't know much about it.
 
I've seen a couple at my local Coop. Usually big sweating 60 something males who look like are potentially carrying all sorts. Give them a very wide birth.
Ewww, for goodness sake, at that age and health you’d think they’d know better.
 
I've seen a couple at my local Coop. Usually big sweating 60 something males who look like are potentially carrying all sorts. Give them a very wide birth.

I always see a couple of people not wearing masks at my local Co-Op and there's no enforcement, guard at the door or anything. I now go to my Sainsbury's instead because of that and it seems pretty good there. Weird that it's so different in shops that are about 400 metres apart.
 
Everyone wears a mask here, young, old and ancient. They have them on in the street and in the shops, because we have to wear them as soon as we leave our homes. It's been this way for months and months, and unless we miraculously have no one with asthma here, it doesn't seem to cause anyone any difficulties.
 

My wife's grandparents and their local community are fully on that bandwagon. Originally they all thought the vaccine was a way to kill off the OAPs, now they've softened somewhat and it's just the foreign ones that are out to get them.

Send them to the back of the queue and give it to people who actually want it.
 
Ewww, for goodness sake, at that age and health you’d think they’d know better.
I always see a couple of people not wearing masks at my local Co-Op and there's no enforcement, guard at the door or anything. I now go to my Sainsbury's instead because of that and it seems pretty good there. Weird that it's so different in shops that are about 400 metres apart.
I guess it's just the area near me, which isn't all that bad actually thinking about it. They do look like the type that's not worth arguing with though. I pity the staff who work there as they are really nice people. There's supposedly a 12 person limit at the moment as well but no one I could see counting unless you are somehow supposed to do it yourself before you enter.
 
It annoys me when they walk round the shop looking really pleased with themselves. Everyone thinks you're a selfish twat, no need to be smug.

A lot of them are just itching to be confronted about it too.

The govt. fecked up by not mandating mask wearing back in March. People would have gone for it.
 
Am I right in saying that surface transmission of the virus is very low, and most/all comes from breathing in the bad stuff?
 
Dunno about the number of patients but the sample size of GP’s is one.
Ah yep and he's being derided in the comments section for being an ex-Labour MP.

My wife's grandparents and their local community are fully on that bandwagon. Originally they all thought the vaccine was a way to kill off the OAPs, now they've softened somewhat and it's just the foreign ones that are out to get them.

Send them to the back of the queue and give it to people who actually want it.
It's bizarre isn't it. We haven't got a clue who makes most of the medicines we take or the jabs we've ever had, but now we're picking and choosing from what we've read on twitter or in the Sun.