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SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)
- Thread starter Don't Kill Bill
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What on earth is a good day?
UK hit 80k total deaths today....and another almost 60k cases - nothing great on the covid front today
The Queen is 94 and Phil the Greek is 99, so I'm surprised they haven't been vaccinated before now to be honest. They have minds of their own though, maybe they took a bit of convincing, like a lot of others. Or maybe the docs kept going to the wrong address and they were always in a different palace.
Oh. ok. I saw the twitter bio -
Assumed the good day was in relation to some ramping up in vaccine deployment .
of course the situation on the whole is pretty grim.
Waited for their own doctor to bring round the vaccine (probably AZ), rather than queuing up outside a hospital where they're using Pfizer. Same as most other oldies living in state run carehomes.
Aye, that's a fair point. I guess the chronic under funding of key sectors in the NHS over many years has resulted in this mess. You could probably go back further than ten years to see cuts in staffs/beds numbers. Also I remember SEN and SNR nursing positions being abolished which surely had an impact.
We all know these types. Luckily for most of us we can just hide their nonsense on social media or not deal with them.
Much worse in your example.
Needed extra time to see of it was compatibile with lizard DNA
Isn't the data more promising from the Pfizer/Moderna vaccines? Surely the queen would be getting the best available.. I'm sure transporting a small amount for the queen wouldnt be that hard even with the temperature requirements.
People seem to think that the main stream media can't be trusted to present the actual truth rather than some agenda. Some agenda that somehow tows the party line of the government/other conspirators even though the media are constantly moaning about how the same government are dealing with things!
More to do with the fact he is saying today is a great day with the news coming a hour or so again that the death toll is over 80,000
Not sure what the concern is?
So they detect dead fragments of the virus. Still means they've been historically infected right? Just maybe not infectious anymore.
1. Even if PCR testing gives an appallingly vague indicator of the real number of cases* it still acts as a canary in the coal mine. As I said, the false positive issue was something that covid denialists bored on about all year. Trying to imply the epidemic is much less serious than it seems. So I can’t really understand why this would bother you right now, with hospitals completely in the shit and absolutely no doubt that this virus can quickly overwhelm the health service. We can all see that the massive surge in cases over the last several weeks - as detected by PCR - has translated into thousands of people dead and dying in ITUs up and down the country. Explain to me again why the possibility that a proportion of the surge in cases that warned us this catastrophe was coming might have been false positives is something that worries you? Because to me - as worries go - that one seems completely redundant.
2. People who are way smarter than you or me have gone through the data with a fine tooth comb and are happy that the benefit outweighs the risk. The results of every clinical trial on every intervention ever can be criticised. There is no such thing as flawless clinical data. It is also very rare to see efficacy as clearly demonstrated as we’ve seen with the mRNA vaccines so far. Assuming you’re willing to take any other medicine, to treat any other condition, I wouldn’t be too worried about taking these vaccines. Especially if you’re in the high risk groups who will be getting vaccinated early. The risk from getting the virus are so high it’s as close as you’ll ever get to a no-brainer in medicine. Hence physicians - who make a career out of interpreting data like this - are literally queuing up to get injected.
*it isn’t
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Kawasaki disease is the closest thing to what SARS-CoV-2 does to your body. The cell walls of the blood vessel break down and the Von Willebrand factor dumps into the blood and causes clotting. The tiny capillaries in the lungs that bring in oxygen are especially susceptible. This video gets into what’s going on inside the cell that leads to oxidization in the blood stream.
1. I was just giving my general view of the whole thing so far. I suppose concern was the wrong word. I was interested in the effectiveness and accuracy of the PCR test during 2020. I wasn't trying to link the issues of PCR test to the situation we have now. I was just skeptical over the PCR test numbers that occurred throughout 2020. I just wanted to make sure that the data was correct and hear other opinions on it. Obviously the position we are in now shows that Covid is once again rising.
Well the brief response to your concerns about PCR false positives is that it’s an extremely accurate test and false positives will only ever cause issues if/when we get the viral load in the community considerably lower than it has been for the last several months.
Apologies if my response came across as narky. It’s just that false positives with PCR was something that all the usual suspects were bringing up all summer to try and argue that the covid issue was being overstated. Now they’ve been proven comprehensively wrong it ruffled my feathers to see someone still bringing it up. Honestly, it’s a complete non-issue. Right at the bottom of the list of problems this pandemic has thrown us.
Love it.
This is why i want the Mail to go bust.
Tug end hat.
I have a theory that every single Tory was bullied at school and there’s plenty of circumstantial evidencesuggesting nay, proving, I am right.
I have a theory that every single Tory was bullied at school and there’s plenty of circumstantial evidence
his budget curry cost 22quid apparently.
Are you insinuating this is a lot?
Central Brisbane yesterday.
3 day lockdown while we contract trace all the contacts of the quarantine hotel worker who was infected with the new UK variant. 175 contacts have been traced and 112 tested negative so far with the rest waiting on results.
The NSW outbreak seems in its final stage with only 3 new cases - all close contacts of known infections.
3 day lockdown while we contract trace all the contacts of the quarantine hotel worker who was infected with the new UK variant. 175 contacts have been traced and 112 tested negative so far with the rest waiting on results.
The NSW outbreak seems in its final stage with only 3 new cases - all close contacts of known infections.
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Central Brisbane yesterday.
I’m not sure how people manage to live in Brisbane. I was there last year (I actually posted on pg 1 of this thread expressing reservations at flying through Taiwan on the way there) and it just the most brutally humid place I have ever been. The city doesn’t really compare with other Aussie cities either
I didn't find it skewed. What benefit would a wee gap at the bottom make? Each data set runs against the same axis (if we're talking about the same graph) and all years remain visible. I don't see the issue.
As an aside, I'm a professional analyst and often compare data sets on axes that don't start at 0, so I imagine I'd do your head in.
Brisbane isn't anywhere near as hot or humid as further North on average. I lived in Townsville for nearly a decade and there are only a couple of months where it is too hot/humidity and 4 then you live in air-conditioning and a pool is great to have.
That said I don't like Brisbane. It is the AU capital city I'd least like to live in. Possibly tied with Darwin.
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Starting at 0 can make the data much harder to read.
Something vaguely covid related that made me smile this morning. My son is at Uni in the US and his sports team are about to start a shortened and delayed season. As part of that they have to live within a team bubble and get a covid test weekly. He sent us the results this morning which were "mostly good news" the cheeky fecker.
Ha!!
Your son testing HIV positive made you smile?
Was that a joke from him? Or is he actually HIV positive?
It’s obviously a joke!
So, one of my work colleagues had the virus. Had symptoms, took a test, self isolated. Stopped having symptoms after a week. All is good.
But like the majority of the idiots in this country he doesn't have a clue about the rules and decided to take a test after the isolation period was up. And of course he came back positive.
He was then contacted by track and trace and was outright told "you didn't need to take a test, you had no reason to so that, but now you have tested positive you have to self isolate for another 10 days."
He's self employed so hopefully that will cost him some.
I think you are worrying over nothing Wilford.you are only meant to take a test *when you have symptoms* (or in other specific situations).
Not when you come into contact with someone with the virus.
Not when a family member gets the virus.
Not when you want to go back to work.
If you have symptoms and you test positive that's two pieces of evidence you have the virus, not just one.
The far far far bigger problem is no one understands the rules
Also, unless I'm getting it wrong, even if the PCR tests are sensitive enough to detect dead fragments, it'll affect how people react/isolate after the result.. it can result in people isolating/going through some unnecessary stress and others getting contact notifications .. but it wont artificially inflate the case numbers. .
If you test positive, you almost certainly have it or have had it in the very recent past.
So I dont think the PCR tests detecting dead fragments hides the true case numbers. If you dont have symptoms, you are still not going to the hospital .
If you test positive, you almost certainly have it or have had it in the very recent past.
So I dont think the PCR tests detecting dead fragments hides the true case numbers. If you dont have symptoms, you are still not going to the hospital .
Yes - a crap joke
It was a joke. Rather obviously.
So...
I ask the caf.
I it not time the UK Government update their symptoms list
Should not anyone who has a cough/cold/snotty nose/gastric issue have to stay home and book a test now?
It seems ridiculous that they are only looking for a "new continuous cough," a "loss of taste and smell," or a high temperature.
Someone at work had a "head cold" and tested positive on an asymptomatic test
I ask the caf.
I it not time the UK Government update their symptoms list
Should not anyone who has a cough/cold/snotty nose/gastric issue have to stay home and book a test now?
It seems ridiculous that they are only looking for a "new continuous cough," a "loss of taste and smell," or a high temperature.
Someone at work had a "head cold" and tested positive on an asymptomatic test