Nah. Flu is still kicking around, and they had the roaring twenties right after that pandemic. It just seems shit now. Really really really shit, yeah, but we’ll come through this. Every generation thinks their time is the most important. There has been pandemics before and honestly COVID has been tame compared to previous ones. They bounced back then, we will do the same.
SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)
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Nah. Flu is still kicking around, and they had the roaring twenties right after that pandemic. It just seems shit now. Really really really shit, yeah, but we’ll come through this. Every generation thinks their time is the most important. There has been pandemics before and honestly COVID has been tame compared to previous ones. They bounced back then, we will do the same.
Everything that happens affects the world, this will be no different. No big deal really, just a bit of a pain for a year or two. It's hardly a war now is it..
Watch as everyone immediately returns to normal
Not about left or right. Just competence. I suspect Camerons government or even Theresa Mays would have managed this pandemic much better. I dislike both but they are more than just bluster.
To an extent but it'll be determined by people's individualism. It seems like the desire to maintain a status quo - look how many were still out shopping at Christmas - is still too much to say the whole country has changed exponentially over this time. I do know some people though who've developed a lot of anxiety and I don't think they'll adjust back immediately.
Economically is a different story. I think 2020 grads and the long-term unemployed will fair poorly and they'll be competing with those of us who've been lucky enough to keep our jobs during this time. I hope the government do something about the training scheme initiatives they mentioned last year because they could be a huge positive longer-term.
Good question too.
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For a significant number of children and economically vulnerable people yes. On a personal level I don't see it making much difference to my outlook.
The thing is, the government say work at home if you can, but there's no actual requirement to prove that a job can't be done at home, so loads of employers are going to force people into work because basically they don't trust them to work from home. It's one of the many ways the government can wash their hands of any responsibility, while putting company profits ahead of public health.
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#winning
Don't know if this is the right thread to ask this so feel free to move it if not. I'm thinking of booking a flight to Rome late May/early June and there's some flights currently available for £20-40.
For that price would you say the risk (things not improving enough to go, unable to go because it's my time for the vaccine) outweighs the rewards (got a cheap flight safely booked when most have likely skyrocketed due to demand)?
For that price would you say the risk (things not improving enough to go, unable to go because it's my time for the vaccine) outweighs the rewards (got a cheap flight safely booked when most have likely skyrocketed due to demand)?
I mean, it’s £20-40, surely you’re the best one to judge if you can afford to lose that?
Isn't that a bit misleading though considering a lot of the current cases are backlogged?
For that price I'd say its worth the risk.
China has been "forthcoming", some say.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...llow-in-who-covid-investigators-without-delay
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...llow-in-who-covid-investigators-without-delay
Why have we shot up so much? Is it purely the Christmas that did it? I can't imagine that we did that much more mixing than the rest of Europe?
Christmas and the run up. We obviously lost our minds in mid December and went on a massive collective piss-up. Collective piss-ups being something we’ve always been better at than most Europeans.
Living up to Irish stereotypes aside, most Euroean countries had tighter restrictions in the lead up to Christmas. Mainly because they hadn’t been as effective as we were at getting them down in November. What we’re going through now is a massive rebound surge.
Not as poorly as you'd think:
Pretty poorly considering the UK have the highest total number of Covid deaths in Europe and the highest number of covid cases of any country in the World over the last 2 weeks, apart from the USA. We are in a steep ascent, unfortunately.Not as poorly as you'd think:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...es-have-the-most-coronavirus-cases-and-deaths
Indeed:
UK: 625k new cases in the last 2 weeks
Germany: 210k
Italy: 190k
France: 170k
Spain: 140k
But we need the number of tests undertaken to give a sense to these data.
Tories strategically need to get Johnson out before inquiry seriously starts you'd think which I'm guessing will be mid to late 2022. New guy can just say he wasn't the one making the decisions even though Rishi Sunak or Gove have been at heart of decisions pretty much in last six months.
Kind of hoping inquiry goes into 2023 as then it will all still be in people's minds for the election the next year.
A Tragedy of Indecision.
One clap = one prayer.
I'm confused by a lot of things, in part the reaction of the public naysayer tinfoil brigade who would rather believe that the Government's of the World (including Israel, India, New Zealand and Taiwan) are conducting mass gene therapy on us all for some 1984'esque reasoning than think a virus which was kept under wraps from the Country of origin has caused a pandemic on a World Wide scale...
Can someone shed some light, I'm not pretending to be that knowledgeable on Politics and Socioeconomics but...
Communism was born from the idea of shared ownership and goes hand in hand with liberalism and state theory then how is the most communist country in the World, North Korea, then seen as one of the most restricted dictatorships?
Also, people who voted Tory are now complaining about the lockdowns being anti-freedom and that we're now in a dictatorial state. Yet they forget they voted the Tory's in via an act of democracy, maybe they should have asked what the Tory's manifesto on pandemics was?
It seems a lot of people who didn't vote Tory (and are fairly liberal) aren't complaining about the lockdown at all, if anything they're more likely to be adhering whether that's because of an understanding that in not doing so will harm others? This seems odd to me because I'd consider lockdowns and house arrests as a rather right-wing policy.
So the Tory voting tinfoils want freedom and liberalism yet the liberal voting freethinkers don't care about having right-wing policies thrust upon them? I'm confused.
(I'm taking my data from the Daily Heil's website comments section here which overwhelming are against the Government's stance with a lot calling for an overthrowing of the Government)
I've read that Liberal states such as Korea and Taiwan have handled it so well because of their experiences with Sars in the past. The public of there are more willing to accept restrictions. So, is this a case of the British public needing to come to a similar understanding? That regardless of how free a country is at some point you need to make sacrifices for others.
I'd dare say those protesting would have been doing so during the Blitz when we had blockouts and curfews.
Can someone shed some light, I'm not pretending to be that knowledgeable on Politics and Socioeconomics but...
Communism was born from the idea of shared ownership and goes hand in hand with liberalism and state theory then how is the most communist country in the World, North Korea, then seen as one of the most restricted dictatorships?
Also, people who voted Tory are now complaining about the lockdowns being anti-freedom and that we're now in a dictatorial state. Yet they forget they voted the Tory's in via an act of democracy, maybe they should have asked what the Tory's manifesto on pandemics was?
It seems a lot of people who didn't vote Tory (and are fairly liberal) aren't complaining about the lockdown at all, if anything they're more likely to be adhering whether that's because of an understanding that in not doing so will harm others? This seems odd to me because I'd consider lockdowns and house arrests as a rather right-wing policy.
So the Tory voting tinfoils want freedom and liberalism yet the liberal voting freethinkers don't care about having right-wing policies thrust upon them? I'm confused.
(I'm taking my data from the Daily Heil's website comments section here which overwhelming are against the Government's stance with a lot calling for an overthrowing of the Government)
I've read that Liberal states such as Korea and Taiwan have handled it so well because of their experiences with Sars in the past. The public of there are more willing to accept restrictions. So, is this a case of the British public needing to come to a similar understanding? That regardless of how free a country is at some point you need to make sacrifices for others.
I'd dare say those protesting would have been doing so during the Blitz when we had blockouts and curfews.
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Not good. But expected, I guess.
Over a thousand deaths? Thats crazy...
Can this number be attributed to some latency with figures maybe? Seems a massive jump from the 600ish we have been seeing.
Could it be attributed to the pressure that frontline workers are under - the level of care just isn't there anymore maybe?
Can this number be attributed to some latency with figures maybe? Seems a massive jump from the 600ish we have been seeing.
Could it be attributed to the pressure that frontline workers are under - the level of care just isn't there anymore maybe?
Johnson doesn't look like he can really be bothered anymore. He always wanted to be PM, but he's famously workshy. Now that he's ticked that box (and got a Brexit 'deal'), he'll not stick around too long I wouldn't think. Tories will replace him with Sunak/Raab/Gove and call a snap general election while the new leader is still in the honeymoon period.
I posted that this would happen this week on Sunday. It was clear as day.
I think it may quite easily rise to 1300-1400 when we're nearer the peak.
More young people requiring hospitalizations mean less space in areas that offer more technical and invasive oxygen delivery systems. Alas, this unfortunately means that the priority will be given to the younger people and the decision to palliate the older patients will become more prominent.
There's no need to be confused, you're just overthining it. I would suggest to you that people more likely to vote Tory are generally more selfish. Make your peace with that and you'll understand why they're not so arsed about people that aren't themselves dying.
The scary thing is if this new strain takes hold of more regions we could hit 2-3k deaths per day.
Hospital admissions have crossed 3k, almost matching the highest peak in April and this could be just the beginning.
Hospital admissions have crossed 3k, almost matching the highest peak in April and this could be just the beginning.
Apparently he's going to quit in six months anyway. Wish he'd just go now.
Will people on here do this out of interest? If there's ever a best example for the hypernormalisation thread it's this nonsense in my view.
All the complicated issues and governmental incompetence and cronyism boiled down to a shared conformity event where people clap at a scheduled time. If this had stayed in China and you witnessed such actions by the Chinese people you'd rightly think it was mental.
Nope, i'll be showing my appreciation for the NHS the way i always have by not voting for the party that constantly underfunds it.
Apart from Yorkshire and Humber hospitalisations for over 85's are dropping in every region and sharply in the East.
I don't want to jump to conclusion's but that is very promising.
I don't want to jump to conclusion's but that is very promising.
Probably because there’s only a finite amount of them surely?
Most are either shielding or have sadly already perished you’d think?
Yet they don't get a pay rise. Seems an empty gesture.
Gove strikes me as an ineffective version of Goebbels.