I don't think tiers work as far too many people can't be bothered to check what tier they are in or what being in tier 4 actually means. You tell them the whole country is in total lockdown they can't pretend to not understand what that means.
SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)
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Hate to break it to Gary but the Board can't sack this shower, we've got another 4 years left.
Thanks. So 60% effective if a 12 week gap. As a pose to ~95% with a 2-3 week gap?
I can understand people having concerns about many aspects of what is unprecedented government and public action in terms of Covid. But to deny it exists seems quite the stretch!
Urgh don't remind me that will be on in this house as my boyfriend supports them, the commentary about them is sickening, the sooner they lose this unbeaten run at Anfield, the better- hopefully its to us!
Anyhow, I think they need to go full lockdown for longer than 2 weeks
@Superunknown, I work for a multi academy Trust that has multiple schools and the guidance is so hard to keep up with, also a nightmare for teachers/ headteachers- what type of lessons do you plan- online or face to face. I agree vulnerable children are probably safer in school, and I'd imagine schools have lists of them, so can make sure they are in/ kept an eye on in the event of a school closure
Think people will kick off if they now shut them, after opening for a day then perhaps deciding against the fact "schools are safe" the post Christmas mixing has now had a day to circulate..
Seen multiple people on my Facebook/ on the local newspaper Facebook saying they aren't sending theirs in.
I think what isn't helping is some tier 4 schools are open, others aren't, so it's more open to debate, plus we have this new variant
Where has 95% come from? Are you referring to the Pfizer vaccine here?
Now that’s a pay per view event I would pay £15 for.
It does take time. But we have had time. It also takes competent leaders with an effective strategy, which we are in short supply of at Westminster unfortunately.
BBC 17:24
PM expected to announce measures similar to March
Laura Kuenssberg-Political editor
The prime minister is expected to announce a set of new national restrictions for England at 20:00 GMT, similar to the national lockdown in March, that he is likely to urge the public to follow from midnight.
It’s expected that people will be told to work from home unless they are a key worker, or it is not possible for them to do so, for example if they work on a construction site.
Schools will close again for most pupils.
It is not yet clear when the measures will be reviewed, but MPs are likely to be given a vote to approve them retrospectively on Wednesday.
This comes after the rapid rises in coronavirus cases and admissions to the NHS.
And after the Joint Biosecurity Centre raised the alert from the pandemic to level five tonight, which means the NHS is at risk from being overwhelmed and that a national lockdown is imminent.
It is also understood that the Chief Medical Officer, Professor Chris Whitty, told the prime minister the new more infectious variant of coronavirus is spreading now throughout the country.
PM expected to announce measures similar to March
Laura Kuenssberg-Political editor
The prime minister is expected to announce a set of new national restrictions for England at 20:00 GMT, similar to the national lockdown in March, that he is likely to urge the public to follow from midnight.
It’s expected that people will be told to work from home unless they are a key worker, or it is not possible for them to do so, for example if they work on a construction site.
Schools will close again for most pupils.
It is not yet clear when the measures will be reviewed, but MPs are likely to be given a vote to approve them retrospectively on Wednesday.
This comes after the rapid rises in coronavirus cases and admissions to the NHS.
And after the Joint Biosecurity Centre raised the alert from the pandemic to level five tonight, which means the NHS is at risk from being overwhelmed and that a national lockdown is imminent.
It is also understood that the Chief Medical Officer, Professor Chris Whitty, told the prime minister the new more infectious variant of coronavirus is spreading now throughout the country.
Yes Pfizer. I can't recall where. But have found it again here: 95% effective after second dose?
https://www.bmj.com/content/371/bmj..., published in the,cases in the placebo group.
Leaked again. FFS.
Thanks for the reply.
And we actually did quite well during the first wave. Which was clearly down to good fortune.
Just think how many lives would have been saved if we'd just done this in December and none of the christmas rubbish, like we should have.
Wonder if it's spreading throughout the country due to all those people "fleeing" London on those packed trains/ platforms as soon as they announced it was going tier 4....
Hasn't Sturgeon pipped him to the post again by already announcing a lockdown in Scotland?
Yep, in relation to the comparison though, most will get the AZ vaccine just because of the storage requirements ie. stored in a normal fridge, where Pfizer needs -70 degree storage before it's opened. So the approach of one dose on AZ now and 12 weeks later makes the most sense to me given that it'll be the critical mass vaccine.
On purpose to gauge our reaction - then they can adapt it etc.
You and me both! And I'd give up a winning lotto ticket to be the one doing the beating!
Makes me angry just thinking about it. Cowards are running this country.
I meant, how can they learn that during lockdown?
Cheers wiggle helpful
8.30pm announcement then while they scramble it together.
Just had the guidance in from my work. We’ve been on splits 50% of the week (MWF one week, TT the next) at home and in the office. Sales can do our work at home with Ring Central and teams but they’re insisting on us continuing this. Meanwhile management staff are WFH and the business development team. Absolutely mental. Issued us a letter to say we ‘absolutely cannot work from home’ yet we are 50% of the time anyways. With the numbers higher than ever, and coming off Christmas and New Year and the inevitable mixing I think it’s ridiculous.
My bad its Alert level 5, not Tier 5 as per BBC report above
He's got to go surely.
This!
It's.not even hindsight, it was as obvious then as it is now. I honestly think that when the dust settles and we look back on this in a few years a number of politicians need to face charges of gross negligence, they have exchanged lives to try and remain popular.
I think pretty much all polling I've seen throughout the crisis has seen a heavy lean towards being in favour of lockdown measures.
I'd be intrigued to see that poll run again but asking who of those 79% visited/mixed with a different household on Christmas Day.
Just think how many lives could have been saved of they'd treated having a >1.0 R number as a problem in July, August, September and October
We'll never really know how much of it was driven by spread via transport and how much of it was driven by community spread, but we know it was already all around the country before then, just in smaller numbers. The thing that worried the public health experts was that it went from being a small proportion of cases to almost half of all cases in the East, South East and London in a relatively short period of time, and that was with more restrictions in place. So while it's completely implausible that new cases weren't brought into Manchester from London on those trains, it's equally implausible that people in Manchester wouldn't have spread it around the community during Christmas anyway.
It's totally plausible that they've got new data that confirms the new strain is dangerously widespread, but it'd be absurd to explain a sweeping change in policy based on that one piece of entirely predictable eviendence. I really wonder what his advisors were thinking before Boris' interview yesterday because he was especially useless for most of it, and they surely must have known there was a risk of mixed messaging taken to a new level...
Yep get rid of Lineker ......Boris can feck off too
Yep, I was saying to my Mrs earlier on how much of allowing the visiting and mixing has caused the rise in infections.
It’s a joke, all my mates have been embarassing throughout this, mixing with each other heavily and are now the same people are demanding it all gets locked down? Of course they want to be furloughed again too...
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Look at the state of that answer. Schools are safe, the problem is when there are people in them. We’re expected to believe anything this cnut says.