Politics, to look like they tried mainly. They'll say new data and those who want to use that as an excuse to let them off the hook will eagerly do so.
SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)
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Politics, to look like they tried mainly. They'll say new data and those who want to use that as an excuse to let them off the hook will eagerly do so.
We kept our boy off from primary school today and we were waiting to see how things played out. Will be quite relieved to see schools close for a bit, really. The school was very understanding and there were much fewer pupils in today apparently.
So he’ll come out at about 8.30, after making sure his hair was just the right amount of messy, smirk a little and say the science has changed blah, blah, we’re in this together.
Their decision making process since the pandemic began has been that of pushing towards herd immunity at any cost despite what they argue otherwise.
Literally every decision they make is the wrong one when it comes to containing the virus. One or two mistakes is understandable but I’ve lost count now of the times they have gone against their own experts advice or inexplicably delayed the best course of action for far too long and when the damage grows exponentially it’s beyond immoral and should be criminal. If it was the odd mistake I’d believe it was down to the difficult circumstances but it’s just relentlessly bad decision making and I refuse to believe it’s down to incompetence rather than a planned approach which disregards the importance of human life.
It's one of those 50/50 debates really, probably 60/40 in favour of schools closing. It's only 3-4 weeks to Feb half term in normal times so it's only a short term with no exams bar re-sits in normal years.
How were Schools handled in countries like Spain and Italy during their lockdowns and then in last six months? Haven't seen much mentioned in media here about that bar they were also closed last spring/early summer.
Not even surprised. Standard government cycle throughout this whole thing has been...
Do nothing > Recieve advice that something needs to be done > Go against advice/generally dither > Wait for Shadow PM to say something needs to be done > Wait for Scottish PM to do something > Leak to press that we'll be doing something > Announce what we already know
Do we even need a governemnt at this point?
Do nothing > Recieve advice that something needs to be done > Go against advice/generally dither > Wait for Shadow PM to say something needs to be done > Wait for Scottish PM to do something > Leak to press that we'll be doing something > Announce what we already know
Do we even need a governemnt at this point?
It's certainly been more of a slog compared to March-May where for how everything was so bad it was a novelty. That's what winter can do really.
January is usually a depressing month in normal times after all the celebrations of xmas/new year with many people broke (o.k perhaps just me!) so that adds to it although I'd rather get the 3-4 weeks of lockdown that is coming out of the way and hopefully by early Feb many millions have been vaccinated in some form and then you're just a further month off significant improvement then.
What a complete omnishambles.
Pretty much. Sturgeon might as well be our PM
It's March 2020 all over again, the UK governments haven't learnt anything, people still dying, cases still rising, inconsistent messaging, etc.
Then we're going to be told, "oh but we're in this together, just 2/3/4/5/6/ months to go, we're nearly there, we're all in this together, etc"
feck off
Then we're going to be told, "oh but we're in this together, just 2/3/4/5/6/ months to go, we're nearly there, we're all in this together, etc"
feck off
Easter is coming will be the new message but no one will be holding the breath on that given the optimistic target is to vaccinate 30m people by then for more normality.
I agree, there’s nothing we can do that perfectly solves the issue. The only positive is that surely this is one of the last times we need to lockdown with the vaccine coming in.
Think you're probably giving them too much credit there.
Its a cabinet which was chosen to get one thing done really (the B word). They're not particularly technocratic or intelligent or competent. They're, for the most part, idealogues who seem to have little to contribute outside their pet project and who probably don't have that much respect for 'experts'.
Not to mention that the chief idiot amongst them is clearly not one for details or forward planning and has a total inability to give bad news.
Hmmmm. They'll feck that up too somehow don't worry.
Boris is speaking at 8- surely we need to have full lock down?
Probably yet more tiers and to reitterate "schools are safe..."
Probably yet more tiers and to reitterate "schools are safe..."
Hopefully but will still be restrictions in place for many more months so it will just be back to something like tier 3 up to May.
By then many of the vulnerable population will have been vaccinated for 4-6 months so decent length to see if they've still got immunity or the new SA strain stops all that which we should all be praying won't be the case.
I assume then you start vaccinating all under 50s and it's a case of risk management.
Schools closing immediately bar for key worker kids has already been leaked I think.
I'm expecting full lockdown so really don't see why he'd address the nation at prime time instead of just doing another press conference with Whitty and Vallance if it was yet more minor tweaking.
i'm not expecting that. The government lurches from one jingoistic message after another. Normality by Easter 2020/Christmas 2020, Easter 2021, rule Britannia etc. There will be some faux positive message about light at the end of the tunnel
I know a lot of schools were closed today, but it’s unforgivable that any went back, only to be told tonight that they’re closed. They’ve just allowed all the kids to mix and spread whatever has gone undetected over the Christmas period for a day.
Even if they are desperate to keep schools open, it would have made far more sense to keep them closed for a week or two after Christmas. At this point I don’t know why I’m surprised, but the government seems to reach new levels of incompetence each month.
Even if they are desperate to keep schools open, it would have made far more sense to keep them closed for a week or two after Christmas. At this point I don’t know why I’m surprised, but the government seems to reach new levels of incompetence each month.
Closing schools at such short notice is going to cause a massive headache for frontline medics. They have a habit of marrying other medics so if they can’t find childcare then one of them will have to stay at home. And medical staffing is already at breaking point. Wonder if they’ll be making some exceptions...
Schools will still be open for key workers you would think.
Would think they will have to have childcare or a lot of people will not be able to work. Presume they will expect people to work in the health sector. You think it could be the same with schools, just vulnerable and key worker kids in.
I know there’s no plans for this to happen in Ireland.
Boris surely won’t last much longer. Brexit is “done”, half the country hates him for not locking down sooner and providing proper social support, the other half hates him for locking down at all. He’s clearly got zero interest in dealing with this properly and giving it the attention it requires.
That is still the situation here in Australia. It sucks but is almost universally supported. Only a limited number of Australians are allowed home per week due to quarantine capacity (under police guard in special hotels) and you can only leave by exception with even funerals not always qualifying.
For me it might well mean not seeing my son who is at Uni in the US for almost 2 years, which we hate, but it is the sensible thing to do.
If they do lockdown, wonder if people will actually follow it, not many seemed to in November compared to the one they did in March.
They need heavier fines for those that break it, or maybe the hospitals etc need help, get them in cleaning the COVID wards, like community service, maybe that will put a rocket up them into following the rules?!
They need heavier fines for those that break it, or maybe the hospitals etc need help, get them in cleaning the COVID wards, like community service, maybe that will put a rocket up them into following the rules?!
Completely agree with this, half of the population want lockdown, half don't, the half that don't (me) hates Boris for making what they believe is the wrong choice but those in favor of the lockdown felt he acted too slow constantly and broke promises (Won't be another national lockdown, save xmas etc) I don't see whos in his corner anymore.
That one never felt like a true lockdown to me, it was seen as a joke by most people. Has to be handled like the original lockdown, not any of this half arsed approach.
People are fed up of the indecision and don't take it seriously, the first one it was new and there wasn't much of an "Anti" crowd..
If they shut schools, after allowing them to all mix for a day before a two week break, I think I might finally snap and go crazy.
58.7k new cases
407 deaths
407 deaths
So kids go to school for one day and then they are shut down again. What was the bloody point in sending them and why was the PM only yesterday saying parents should send then. This Government is incompetent beyond belief.
Your son - as an Australian citizen - should be allowed to be back at home, and pass a test at the airport.
I do so hope he goes that far. It’s the only way to get on top of the disease. Trouble is he won’t.....understandably so as he would get crucified for doing the right thing. As for me except for key worker children I would shut down all education establishments, including universities until at least June. The Welsh proved that a two week circuit breaker was as much use as a fart in a colander.
It might be the most mental thing they've done so far.
It takes a certain character to stand up in front of the country one day to tell them something with full certainty, only to do and say the total opposite 24 hours later.
And by character, I mean cnut.
Herd immunity?