SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)

Looks like Ireland in the shit now, big time. Quickest rise in cases of anywhere in Europe. Barely 2 or 3 weeks after getting our 14 day incidence down to amongst the very lowest. Crazy how quickly this thing can get away from you, if you let your guard down even a tiny bit.

On a side note, this also torpedoes the “it’s the schools!” arguments. Schools have been open since September and the Irish caseload graph has gone up, come right down, then shot up again. All without any change in the behaviour of the kids at school.

@Brwned

*To be clear, cases came down before half term and this recent dramatic escalation only started several weeks after they came back. What we do have, however, is a very clear correlation with pubs/restaurants/offices/non-essential retail reopening after shutting them got the numbers right down.

Despite the doom and gloom I’m actually feeling optimistic/positive for the first time in ages. A hard lockdown for January and February (which are shite months anyway) should give us space and time to vaccinate the elderly and vulnerable. By early March we may be looking forward to a more relaxed summer.

So basically I’m hoping we just have two months left of a 12 month saga before we can begin to think about normality. I think we can do it.
 
Have tested positive today. Got a fever that comes and goes but get's worse at night to the point of shivering, slight shortness of breath, rough throat and chest, occasional dry chesty cough, fatigued. Still got my sense of taste and smell though so gonna at least be able to enjoy food whilst isolating.

Could have been much worse!
Stay safe. What's the situation in your house?
 
Despite the doom and gloom I’m actually feeling optimistic/positive for the first time in ages. A hard lockdown for January and February (which are shite months anyway) should give us space and time to vaccinate the elderly and vulnerable. By early March we may be looking forward to a more relaxed summer.

So basically I’m hoping we just have two months left of a 12 month saga before we can begin to think about normality. I think we can do it.

Yeah, that’s where I’m at too. We’re in the shit but I’m perversely hopeful that this is the last really big lockdown. And, like you said, Jan/Feb are a pile of wank at the best of times.
 
Irish government advising anyone who travelled from the UK since December 11th to isolate in their rooms, including on Christmas day.

Surely if someone arrived in Ireland that long ago and followed the then advice to stay at home (as opposed to isolating in their room away from others in their home) then the virus would have already spread to the rest of the household by now?
 
The control of our borders in the UK is an utter shambles and has been from the start. We just don't seem to give a damn about people coming in and out of the country, it's just so fecking bizarre.
 
The control of our borders in the UK is an utter shambles and has been from the start. We just don't seem to give a damn about people coming in and out of the country, it's just so fecking bizarre.

It's more there should be checks in place. I don't like this idea of borders being closed everywhere. Only people who need to travel should. PCR tests before and on arrival with a institutional quarantine (paid for by the traveller, only exempt if you can't afford it but must travel). I don't understand why that is so difficult personally, seems to work in many other nations. Europe never really did that and their cases bouncing around shows that
 
The control of our borders in the UK is an utter shambles and has been from the start. We just don't seem to give a damn about people coming in and out of the country, it's just so fecking bizarre.

People obsess a bit about closing borders but there has been a lot of pushback on the idea that it would be particularly effective once the virus is already present in the country. The below links off to a few different pieces.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.fo...rs-really-stop-the-spread-of-coronavirus/amp/

Implementing harder border controls is more complicated and nuanced an issue than it might appear offhand.
 
Just had a call from my gf, her kids dad has been working with someone who has tested positive, they have been with him, then her, and her with me. His test is tomorrow, how long roughly do test results take at the moment guys, and I'm assuming this means I should isolate immediately?
 
It's not surprising it's so bad here when the track and trace system is dogshit. My parents have covid and they get messages almost every day to tell them to isolate until a certain date but the date is never the same. The website to list where you've been and who you may have been in contact with is utter shite too apparently.

My dad is a key worker, only two people he works with got pinged by the app. The rest of them are still working! Madness.
 
And for many people that won’t be the case. You should give up your own armchair psychiatry.

Relating to how my own personal experience effects affects my ability to think rationally is hardly armchair psychiatry, echoed by the original poster who whom I was replying. Someone who actually suffers from mental health issues.

I have no idea how many people with mental health issues are incapable of rational thought due to their condition but apparently you do. But I do know a bandwagon jumper when I see one.

So thanks for the expert advise Sigmund, its much appreciated but I'll pass :lol:
 
Irish government advising anyone who travelled from the UK since December 11th to isolate in their rooms, including on Christmas day.

Surely if someone arrived in Ireland that long ago and followed the then advice to stay at home (as opposed to isolating in their room away from others in their home) then the virus would have already spread to the rest of the household by now?

Incubation period can be 10 days or longer, so this advice could prevent some people from mingling with their family while shedding virus. Basically this advice is better late than never!
 
Just had a call from my gf, her kids dad has been working with someone who has tested positive, they have been with him, then her, and her with me. His test is tomorrow, how long roughly do test results take at the moment guys, and I'm assuming this means I should isolate immediately?

If he goes to a test centre results are typically between 24-48 hours in my experience.
 
People obsess a bit about closing borders but there has been a lot of pushback on the idea that it would be particularly effective once the virus is already present in the country. The below links off to a few different pieces.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.fo...rs-really-stop-the-spread-of-coronavirus/amp/

Implementing harder border controls is more complicated and nuanced an issue than it might appear offhand.

The difference being that having some border control would at least provide some protection to foreign mutations of the virus which have been allowed to come freely into the country with zero warning. It is probably an expensive thing to setup and that's why we're not doing it because of how broke we are as a country thanks to fecking brexit. Alternatively the Government simply don't care and have the attitude of dealing with the next crisis when it arises rather than even pretending to defend us against it.

It's a very strange way of dealing with a global epidemic though.

@Sparky_Hughes - my sister got a covid test a few days ago and it took a little bit over 48 hours to process.
 
Just had a call from my gf, her kids dad has been working with someone who has tested positive, they have been with him, then her, and her with me. His test is tomorrow, how long roughly do test results take at the moment guys, and I'm assuming this means I should isolate immediately?
You don't need to isolate. If her kids dad tests positive you could consider it but even then probably not necessary.
 
Just got an NHS covid app notification to isolate for 3 days. I guess I must have been exposed to someone last Wednesday, I was in the office for the day but the colleague I was closest to hasn't had a notification or test so who knows.

No symptoms and luckily doesn't effect Christmas plans as they've already all been cancelled apart from the MIL who has been living with us the last week anyway.
 
The difference being that having some border control would at least provide some protection to foreign mutations of the virus which have been allowed to come freely into the country with zero warning. It is probably an expensive thing to setup and that's why we're not doing it because of how broke we are as a country thanks to fecking brexit. Alternatively the Government simply don't care and have the attitude of dealing with the next crisis when it arises rather than even pretending to defend us against it.

It's a very strange way of dealing with a global epidemic though.

@Sparky_Hughes - my sister got a covid test a few days ago and it took a little bit over 48 hours to process.
Cheers bud
You don't need to isolate. If her kids dad tests positive you could consider it but even then probably not necessary.
Cheers
 
It's not surprising it's so bad here when the track and trace system is dogshit. My parents have covid and they get messages almost every day to tell them to isolate until a certain date but the date is never the same. The website to list where you've been and who you may have been in contact with is utter shite too apparently.

My dad is a key worker, only two people he works with got pinged by the app. The rest of them are still working! Madness.
I agree track and trace is terrible.

But I think the app only notifies people if they have been in close proximity for over 15 minutes?
 
Have tested positive today. Got a fever that comes and goes but get's worse at night to the point of shivering, slight shortness of breath, rough throat and chest, occasional dry chesty cough, fatigued. Still got my sense of taste and smell though so gonna at least be able to enjoy food whilst isolating.

Could have been much worse!
Good luck!
 
Relating to how my own personal experience effects affects my ability to think rationally is hardly armchair psychiatry, echoed by the original poster who whom I was replying. Someone who actually suffers from mental health issues.

I have no idea how many people with mental health issues are incapable of rational thought due to their condition but apparently you do. But I do know a bandwagon jumper when I see one.

So thanks for the expert advise Sigmund, its much appreciated but I'll pass :lol:
You saying you don’t feel those things so it’s not an issue portray an ignorance as to the effects of depression. Doesn’t take an expert to know it either. But if it doesn’t affect you that way then why it affect anybody else that way? Your sarcasm is incredibly misplaced.
 
I agree track and trace is terrible.

But I think the app only notifies people if they have been in close proximity for over 15 minutes?
This is in a warehouse environment though where they're pretty much rubbing shoulders, social distancing non existent.
 
Have tested positive today. Got a fever that comes and goes but get's worse at night to the point of shivering, slight shortness of breath, rough throat and chest, occasional dry chesty cough, fatigued. Still got my sense of taste and smell though so gonna at least be able to enjoy food whilst isolating.

Could have been much worse!
Get well soon mate.

Not been following this thread enormously closely so if anyone else has tested positive I wish you the best as well.
 
Have tested positive today. Got a fever that comes and goes but get's worse at night to the point of shivering, slight shortness of breath, rough throat and chest, occasional dry chesty cough, fatigued. Still got my sense of taste and smell though so gonna at least be able to enjoy food whilst isolating.

Could have been much worse!

Take it easy there dude, good luck!
 
You saying you don’t feel those things so it’s not an issue portray an ignorance as to the effects of depression. Doesn’t take an expert to know it either. But if it doesn’t affect you that way then why it affect anybody else that way? Your sarcasm is incredibly misplaced.

I did not state, or suggest, that other peoples mental health is not an issue. But be my guest and make stuff up if it makes you feel better. However, It does take an expert, or least someone with considerable knowledge to know the proportion of people, with mental health issues, that are incapable of making rational decisions. Oh! and of course you.

Sorry for upsetting you with my sarcasm, snowflake. But you started this with your pop at me so suck it up. Reply if you like. I'm done. I'm bored replying to this drivel and your comments contribute nothing to the issue of mental health.
 
I did not state, or suggest, that other peoples mental health is not an issue. But be my guest and make stuff up if it makes you feel better. However, It does take an expert, or least someone with considerable knowledge to know the proportion of people, with mental health issues, that are incapable of making rational decisions. Oh! and of course you.

Sorry for upsetting you with my sarcasm, snowflake. But you started this with your pop at me so suck it up. Reply if you like. I'm done. I'm bored replying to this drivel and your comments contribute nothing to the issue of mental health.
I never intimated anything about the proportion of people. Merely that the fact you don’t feel that way means the grand total of feck all. Continue with your childless insults all you want.
 
Just had a call from my gf, her kids dad has been working with someone who has tested positive, they have been with him, then her, and her with me. His test is tomorrow, how long roughly do test results take at the moment guys, and I'm assuming this means I should isolate immediately?

Current average for the UK as a total is 3.0 days, it was as high as 3.4 this week. Testing backlogs are present in the data, but wouldn't be surprised if a test tomorrow returns a result on Monday/Tuesday given the festive break.

Today's case data broke down into the following days:

1,387 were from tests taken Tuesday (4%)
16,737 Monday (49%)
8,874 Sunday (26%)
2,600 Saturday (8%)
3,947 Friday (12%)
481 Thursday (1%)
113 Wednesday
 
TL;DR version?

My take from a brief scan is that memory b cells were measured (and therefore memory t cells, the numbers of which correlate with b cells) and grew in number up to 150 days post infection and were detectable for 242 days (and presumably still ongoing) which gives us some optimism that vaccination will provide long term protection. Certainly it suggests that at the worst an annual booster will be sufficient.
 
Current average for the UK as a total is 3.0 days, it was as high as 3.4 this week. Testing backlogs are present in the data, but wouldn't be surprised if a test tomorrow returns a result on Monday/Tuesday given the festive break.

Today's case data broke down into the following days:

1,387 were from tests taken Tuesday (4%)
16,737 Monday (49%)
8,874 Sunday (26%)
2,600 Saturday (8%)
3,947 Friday (12%)
481 Thursday (1%)
113 Wednesday
Thanks chap
 
What if there's a middle ground, noodle? What if the vast majority of people agree that the situation is very hard, and people disagree on whether people should be expected to make the hard choices that are in the best interests of society over themselves, essentially every time? Not in normal life, but just right now. The whole wartime spirit thing. There was incompetent government then too. There were selfish desires then too. But in the end people made sacrifices for the greater good, even if it had the most devastating consequences for themselves and those in their close circle. Why is it so unreasonable to expect individuals in a society to make those almighty sacrifices, for a limited period of time, if we really believe in the idea of the society? A functioning government makes it easier to believe in that, and it makes it easier to take those choices with the appropriate support system in place, but why should it be required?

It's not about a "middle ground". It's about people making idiotic assumptions from a position of complete ignorance, and then using them to cast judgement on other people, which there has been too much of going unchallenged in this thread at certain times. Don't get me wrong there's been a lot of good and informative discussion as well, particularly from people who know a lot more about the science than I do, but the ignorance when it crops up is particularly grating.

I'm not really sure what you mean by the rest of your post because, as I explained in the post you quoted, I have not broken any of the rules or guidelines and have stuck to them despite it being a huge and lonely personal struggle. I clearly wouldn't be doing that if I didn't think that was what I and people should be doing. Basically my whole life since March has been about managing a way through this and helping others to do the same. So I consider I have a right to challenge someone who makes stupid accusations against me just because they haven't even bothered to educate themselves before pointing their finger around.

The common problem I have found in this thread isn't what people think we should or shouldn't be doing, or people's different interpretations on the science or government. It's the people who just blatantly have no appreciation of what is actually going on, because presumably it hasn't really affected them and they aren't willing to stick their head above the trench and look.

When the schools were closed for months on end, it meant millions of people couldn't feed, support or educate their children. A situation that was not sustainable for more than a short period. It wasn't as simple as "it's wrong to open them again because covid". This thread was particularly annoying around that time. If you wanted schools to open you were some kind of right wing demon, or something.

Whenever the government change restrictions or move the goalposts without prior warning, it throws a lot of people into a black hole. People then react out of desperation. They don't for the most part react because they are just brazenly doing whatever the feck they like. No one wants to be fighting with all their belongings to try and catch the last train out of town. No one does that unless they are desperate and in a panic. It doesn't make them Hitler. If you announce at 4.30pm that you are quaranteening one of the largest cities in the world later that same day, then there is a 0% chance that some people wont panic and try to leave. Acting like that is unacceptable makes you the irresponsible one, not them.

The problem with the "wartime spirit" analogy is it doesn't really work. During the war things were shit for basically everyone. On Friday some people will be happily spending Christmas with their family as normal having been mildly inconvenienced by this year, while others will have an empty chair where their dad should be, and others will be so lonely and isolated due to the situation that they will take their own life. Showing empathy is not about finding a middle ground or even about what you think people should or shouldn't be doing, it's about understanding a situation and the human aspect of it, instead of acting like it's a maths puzzle and some of the numbers aren't behaving themselves.