SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)

I think this is a smart move because it will cause a lot of people currently saying 'BILL GATES MICROCHIPS! No way I ever get jab' quietly get it because they will want to go on their summer holidays.
If we're speaking about the UK I expect foreign travel to go down owing to Brexit, less disposable income and fear of vaccination. The number of people who would fall into cross section of a Venn diagram with those factors are quite small but I still expect there to be a good few thousand who are in that area.

In the US there are many people who have very little interest in foreign travel and don't even have passports. I imagine many of these will avoid vaccination as they don't travel outside the US.
 
The comments :lol:

I might be tempted to book a holiday if this is the case as those lot won't be there.
Jesus, did you click on best rated?

So is Bill Gates actually in league with satan?

Sherpa-Diem, Utah, United States,
Get ready for the mark of the beast if Bill Gates has his way.
 
Jesus, did you click on best rated?

So is Bill Gates actually in league with satan?

Sherpa-Diem, Utah, United States,
Get ready for the mark of the beast if Bill Gates has his way.

I thought Bill Gates was the devil with that fecking paper clip to be fair, way before it was cool to question the satanic one.

Not to side with the crazies but the vaccines haven't proven to stop transmission have they? Air travel passports only work if they do.
 
Yet another “celeb” that does what they want because they can as long as they apologize for having a spreader event afterwards
She went in very very hard on Cummings after Durham castle press conference and has also presented many other celebrity Covid-19 transgressions, which makes her’s all the more galling.

but generally speaking, failure to sanction Cummings set the precedence nationwide and I’d guess almost everyone takes liberties vs national guidelines which are supposedly law.
 
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The beginning of the end of covid19!
British citizen Margaret Keenan, aged 90, first person in the world to receive approved vaccines.
8 billion people to go!

 
Got emotional watching it.

Still be many more months of this but the countdown clock to normality can slow start ticking now.
 
You know it’s a weird year when you’re openly excited watching a 90 yr old receive a jab...
 
She said all the right things, bless her. She's doing her bit to make other people less anxious.

I know, I found my lip trembling a little there. You can imagine the image of her being injected becoming ingrained in our memories like other apparently inauspicious photos of landmark moments. She would have had no idea, growing up all those years ago that she would eventually be in the world media, having the first vaccine in the battle against such a deadly global virus. Incredible moment for us all hopefully.
 
The beginning of the end of covid19!
British citizen Margaret Keenan, aged 90, first person in the world to receive approved vaccines.
8 billion people to go!


Didn’t know Justin Trudeau was so adept at sign language.
 
The beginning of the end of covid19!
British citizen Margaret Keenan, aged 90, first person in the world to receive approved vaccines.
8 billion people to go!


Thanks god it went smoothly and not...
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Thanks god it went smoothly and not...
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Imagine if something like that actually happened?! On live TV!!!! Would have been the end for COVID-19 vaccine trust and beginning of a global citizenry meltdown!
 
Imagine if something like that actually happened?! On live TV!!!! Would have been the end for COVID-19 vaccine trust and beginning of a global citizenry meltdown!
:lol:Oh god, it would be amazing on one level if they did it as a hoax somewhere, but it would be wildly irresponsible.
 
Covid-19 in the USA now spiralling ever more wildly out of control, with more than 200k new cases every day and growing. At current growth rates it's estimated that there will be nearly 10.5 million new cases in a month from now, with over 380,000 deaths.
 
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Covid-19 in the USA now spiralling ever more wildly out of control, with more than 200k new cases every day and growing. At current growth rates it's estimated that there will be nearly 10.5 million new cases in a month from now, with over 380,000 deaths.
9/11 a day are dying too.
Will hit 3,000 dead a day soon I’m sure
 
I live in a small village (7500 inhabitants) where we have 3 somewhat care homes. Somewhat because they have different concepts, from partly day care, appartments with care-as-you-need it and "normal" care facilities.

One of the houses has a Covid outbreak - 23 of 84 patients and 10 workers were tested positive last week and they already have 2 deaths in it. My 91 year old aunt (I call her aunt, she is the niece of my grandfather and cousin of my Mom) is tested positive but as my mom told me has just mild symptoms. She comes from a very healthy background as my grandfather and the five brothers and sisters that were born around 1910 and survived the toddler time and the wars all died 80 and older. And she is a doctor that lived healthy all of her life. So I am not really scared for her.

My parents bought an appartment in the new house of the same organisation. They offer care-as-you-need it there for the people who need it. When they bought the appartment last year they did not need any help - but after a stroke my father gets help every day with washing and dressing. It is him I am scared for.

Until now the fear was somehow just something theoretical - yes, there were cases in the region - but that is not so distant anymore and that scares me.
 
It was great to see the first member of the public getting vaccinated in the UK on the news last night. I hope the government finally get something right and this allows the UK to get back to some kind of normal as soon as possible. It has been (and is) a terrible time and I hope this cam lift people just enough to get through the tough times still to come.
 
So woke up yesterday with a sore throat and nose all closed. Ordered a test kit directly so hope it comes soon.
I am not starting my new job until february so home isolation is no problem anyway.

Thing i was wondering is, i sneeze a alot. Is that a normal symptom?
 
It was great to see the first member of the public getting vaccinated in the UK on the news last night. I hope the government finally get something right and this allows the UK to get back to some kind of normal as soon as possible. It has been (and is) a terrible time and I hope this cam lift people just enough to get through the tough times still to come.
Don't forget the Russians, too.

Would you take the Sputnik V vaccine if it was offered in Australia?
 
Don't forget the Russians, too.

Would you take the Sputnik V vaccine if it was offered in Australia?

Yes because if it was offered it would have to have passed appropriate safety and efficacy trials to get approval.
 
Yes because if it was offered it would have to have passed appropriate safety and efficacy trials to get approval.
That's very trusting of authority figures. Not even the Russians themselves are comfortable with it.

Coronavirus: Sputnik V vaccine rushed out to wary Russians
By Sarah Rainsford

Its name alone speaks of Russia's ambition: Sputnik V, the country's leading vaccine against Covid-19, is meant to be a world-beater just like its cosmic namesake.

Back in August, it was the first to be registered for emergency use although it had only been tested on a few dozen people. Now doctors, teachers and social workers are being offered Sputnik V in a mass inoculation campaign ordered by President Vladimir Putin. Its timing, just ahead of a similar launch in the UK, is unlikely to be a coincidence.

But Sputnik V is still in the midst of trials to check that it's safe and actually works, making some Russians wary of receiving it yet. And despite a fanfare over the vaccine's grand rollout, there are still problems scaling up production.

In a sense, this is no "launch" at all. Russian health workers have been getting vaccinated in tandem with the official trials for several months. Teachers have been eligible too, and VIPs including President Putin's own daughter have had the jab. The list is said to total more than 100,000 people.

Bold claims

"All of the staff here have been vaccinated," nurse Oksana Konstantinova confirms, as she removes a tiny glass bottle of vaccine from the deep freeze at a Moscow clinic.

Sputnik V has to be stored at -18C at least in its liquid form. There are plans for a more practical, powder version of the vaccine but it's not yet being made in large amounts.

Why did she accept an experimental jab? "We have to be able to say that the vaccine is safe and necessary in the current situation," the nurse explains. "I was worried a bit. I am human! But I realised it was a fuss about nothing."

Sputnik's backers claim it offers 95% protection against the coronavirus, putting Russia's offering right up alongside the vaccines of teams in the US and Europe. But here, the data released so far is based on interim results only - after just 39 trial volunteers caught Covid. That haste - coupled with such bold claims - has raised eyebrows.

"We hope the vaccine is effective, but it's difficult to trust some of the figures," argues Svetlana Zavidova, whose organisation monitors clinical trials in Russia.
She also lists concerns that Sputnik's developers injected themselves with their own vaccine and that the product was registered for use after such limited trials.

"We don't see the point of such a rush, other than announcing how we beat the rest of the world," Zavidova says. "I think there's a struggle between scientists and politicians, and the latter are winning."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-55221785
 
That's very trusting of authority figures. Not even the Russians themselves are comfortable with it.



https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-55221785

I think western media’s coverage of Russian and Chinese tech is extremely cynical and biased.
I don’t know if it is justified in this instance but when I read the news, I do not feel like it can be trusted.

Pfizer getting EUA was reported as being a huge positive milestone but when China or Russia do the same thing, it is reported as rushed/untested.
 
I live in a small village (7500 inhabitants) where we have 3 somewhat care homes. Somewhat because they have different concepts, from partly day care, appartments with care-as-you-need it and "normal" care facilities.

One of the houses has a Covid outbreak - 23 of 84 patients and 10 workers were tested positive last week and they already have 2 deaths in it. My 91 year old aunt (I call her aunt, she is the niece of my grandfather and cousin of my Mom) is tested positive but as my mom told me has just mild symptoms. She comes from a very healthy background as my grandfather and the five brothers and sisters that were born around 1910 and survived the toddler time and the wars all died 80 and older. And she is a doctor that lived healthy all of her life. So I am not really scared for her.

My parents bought an appartment in the new house of the same organisation. They offer care-as-you-need it there for the people who need it. When they bought the appartment last year they did not need any help - but after a stroke my father gets help every day with washing and dressing. It is him I am scared for.

Until now the fear was somehow just something theoretical - yes, there were cases in the region - but that is not so distant anymore and that scares me.

In Azores, my region (240k pop) only one care home was hit and killed 12 people there, about a third or fourth of its occupants. In a village of 5000 people, that was demolishing, it all happened in three weeks or so. Only three other persons died in Azores in the first wave. The effect of this in those places is magnitudes higher than the general population. Our entire region had 16 deaths in the first wave, with 12 being from the same place.

Even when you think you'll be able to protect them, just thinking about how much you need to take from them to do that, it's depressing all the same. Dreadful disease, can't wait for it to go away.
 
So woke up yesterday with a sore throat and nose all closed. Ordered a test kit directly so hope it comes soon.
I am not starting my new job until february so home isolation is no problem anyway.

Thing i was wondering is, i sneeze a alot. Is that a normal symptom?
I have the same thing right now but other than a few anecdotal accounts, no those are not symptoms. It’s probably just a cold or even something like turning your heating up now it’s cold can cause that - my throat is very sensitive to humidity change at home.

i get tested every week through work so I guess I’ll find out soon enough! Glad you got a test too. It’s the right thing to do, even if it’s unlikely
 
I have the same thing right now but other than a few anecdotal accounts, no those are not symptoms. It’s probably just a cold or even something like turning your heating up now it’s cold can cause that - my throat is very sensitive to humidity change at home.

i get tested every week through work so I guess I’ll find out soon enough! Glad you got a test too. It’s the right thing to do, even if it’s unlikely
Thanks for the reply. Hope we both negative.
 
That's very trusting of authority figures. Not even the Russians themselves are comfortable with it.



https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-55221785

I don'tvtrust the Russians but I do trust that it wouldn't be approved if proper testing did not occur and/or wasn't documented. I suspect the Russians did cut corners which means it wouldn't be approved in Australia.
 
I don'tvtrust the Russians but I do trust that it wouldn't be approved if proper testing did not occur and/or wasn't documented. I suspect the Russians did cut corners which means it wouldn't be approved in Australia.

Didn't Sputnik skipped officially phase 3?