It is big but there is no ventilation really. No windows. I would imagine it was either airborne or from a surface.
SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)
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Nik (@Rood) and Imran (@Annihilate Now!) discuss United's fantastic win away against Athletic Club in the semi-final of the Europa League.
They also pick out the positives of United's 4-3 loss away at Brentford, and Nik reviews a day out at Old Trafford watching Manchester United Women qualify for the Champions League.
It is big but there is no ventilation really. No windows. I would imagine it was either airborne or from a surface.
'No tin foil hat silliness please'
This is the redcafe. Stupidity is the order of the day, especially in the current affairs forum.
This is the redcafe. Stupidity is the order of the day, especially in the current affairs forum.
Wasn't your last warning for "Adds nothing to the discussion"? Go figure.
Interesting as I’ve had a bad back for 2 weeks since testing negative after being positive. Didn’t think it was a Covid symptom.
Back pains is basically a symptom of still being alive for anyone over the age of 25 anyway.
Found out yesterday that my grandfather, who wasn't taking the pandemic seriously re: wearing a mask and staying home, infected my dad who's now tested positive. Today my mom woke up with a fever and headache. Both of them took the pandemic pretty seriously wearing masks, avoiding crowds, etc., which makes this incredibly frustrating. Fortunately they're all experiencing minor symptoms so far , and I likely avoided it by leaving once we knew my grandfather was sick and had exposed my dad.
I spent from August til November managing a surveillance testing site at work for students, faculty, and staff testing 500-600 people a day, and now my biggest exposure was going to see my parents in a small town where very few people take this seriously. At least I have the privilege of being able to test myself weekly (or twice a week this week).
I spent from August til November managing a surveillance testing site at work for students, faculty, and staff testing 500-600 people a day, and now my biggest exposure was going to see my parents in a small town where very few people take this seriously. At least I have the privilege of being able to test myself weekly (or twice a week this week).
I read that yesterday, in the US that there were 130,000+ new Covid cases and 2,000+ deaths. This shortly after Thanksgiving. So, for all those people in the UK looking forward to spending up to 5 days at Christmas with up to 3 families, you have been warned.
And the rest. They had their second highest case numbers ever (203k), and their highest death number (2.8k). The US is beyond hope until Biden gets in and starts taking this seriously.
The two countries in the world you would have expected to have handled this the best have ended up being the two worst.
Why would you expect the US to handle this the best? They have a terrible health system (unless you are rich). Doesn’t suprise me at all they did bad especially with Trump in charge. Which other country do you refer to?
The UK.
Lots of places were citing this index early on.
Of the top 5 you'd probably say only Australia has done a really good job, and that was basically by closing the borders for a year.
It’s actually too soon for Thanksgiving transmission to be included in those cases. Won’t see it for another few days.
The Italian government passed a law yesterday to prohibit people leaving their own comunes/municipalities on December 25th and 26th, and New Year's Day. There's also no travel between regions allowed from 21st December to 6th Jan, apart from for work and situations of health emergency or other necessity.
On the upside, we're hoping that all the regions are going to be downgraded to yellow band for risk, which will mean you can leave your comune as long as you stay within your region. At present, we're confined to our village as our region is in the orange band for risk.
On the upside, we're hoping that all the regions are going to be downgraded to yellow band for risk, which will mean you can leave your comune as long as you stay within your region. At present, we're confined to our village as our region is in the orange band for risk.
It's surely coming though wouldn't you say? I have a horrible feeling Xmas in the UK is going to be pandemonium and expect to see big rises in the new year as a result.
Fair enough. Wouldn’t have thought this was the top 5. Certainly not the US.
Understood. That makes these numbers even worse.
That seems to be far more sensible than the forthcoming free for all in the UK over the Christmas period.
This week vs last week (county by county in SC)
How are poeple around you responding to it? In the UK it seemed to me that after the first peak a good chunk of people didn't worry so much about growing cases, but once they started translating into deaths again, people got very worried again. More burned out than during the first lockdown but generally in agreement that things are bad enough to warrant another epic sacrifice.
Do you think people within your area / across the country are worried about things and think the government / citenzry aren't doing enough, or is there more acceptance that this is really bad but there's nothing we can do about it, people gotta live? I can't imagine the people that think this is all overblown are much more than a loud minority.
It means they're allowing more household mixing over a longer period of time, though, while still allowing local families to get together on the holidays.
Yes, I think so. There's going to be increased travelling before Christmas if they make all the regions yellow ones (our lowest risk band), but in reality a lot of people will be working and won't be able to shoot off somewhere else.
At the same time, I work in a place with ~15 adults and ~40 kids. We had an adult testing positive and two days later two kids tested positive. We know that the adult was at work with covid for at least one day and the children at least two days, still no one else caught it. Not even the kids families.
We do wash our hands a lot, but kids sneezes and coughs everywhere and in the faces of everyone, so I had expected a lot more cases.
It seems to be that only some people are very contagious. The vast majority of people who catch it won’t infect anyone else. But a small minority infect everyone they go near. If we could work out why it might make life a lot easier for us.
It's been said that infectiousness is at the highest 2 to 3 days before symptoms appear. (High viral load). Hence all the early panic about pre-symptomatic patients. And those who are symptomatic normally take between 5 to 10 days to be symptomatic.
I gather that means maximum infectiousness roughly 2 days to 14 days after infection depending on patient. And also depending on how symptomatic the patient is.
But that is just my own conjecture.
I live and work in a very, very conservative part of an already conservative state. Middle of Trump-land, so we've got a lot of folks who just don't think this is legit and still think the numbers are just "them cooking the books" trying to "gain control" over the population. Case in point: the district I work for just held school board elections and 3 people were elected to the school board (out of 8 total) who are Covid denial types that ran on a platform of ignoring our Dept of Health's data and just sending all kids back to school full time. My wife still has people laying in ICU beds about to go on ventilators due to Covid admitting to her that they didn't "think it was a real thing", "no worse than the flu", "I just can't believe this is happening" etc. The students at the high school my uncle works at, and where I attended, held a 250ish student bonfire over Thanksgiving Break that their parents knew about and were okay with. Now they're starting to have positive cases across all grade levels. Our High School League, the governing body over interscholastic sports, has pushed on with beginning winter sports, so while cases are going through the roof, we are pushing on with basketball and wrestling seasons. It is a truly, truly surreal experience as a wrestling coach preaching to the kids about the need for proper mask procedures and social distancing off the wrestling mat, but then once they get on the wrestling mat, those rules do not apply, per the High School League.
Again - this is anecdotal of a person living in the middle of Trump-land, but as we saw from the election, Trump-land is still a sizeable portion of the population.
Yeah it does sound surreal. Do you feel in any way compelled to say feck this shit, the regulations don't make sense, I can't allow the kids to do this? Or is it a case of the government approve of this, the kids want to do this, just gotta go with it?
I bet it’s those people who seem to have a wet nose 365 and constantly do those stifled coughs without putting their hand over their mouth.
I mean, the way the head coach and I see it is that we both take Covid seriously in a sea of of folks that don't and if we don't coach the kids, someone else who doesn't take it seriously will. At least when they are with us, we can control as much of the situation as possible.
@Carolina Red, you're a sensible man, your wife is also sensible - what keeps you there amongst all those crazies? I assume you have family ties there, but good grief, I don't know how you tolerate it.
Thought this was a parody but that really is Gavin Williamson isn't it?
How are the kids themselves responding? Are they like many of their parents denying or playing down the risks too?
True!
Seemed like he was just doing a bad Boris Johnson impression. Sure let's be a bit jokey about one of the most serious issues of our time, I give handshakes to everyone. They don't seem to realise that not taking themselves seriously means competent leaders also don't take them seriously.
Yeah, I mean... this is where we are from. Our parents and grandparents are still living here and all that. Plus it is expensive as all hell to move since property values in S.C. are relatively lower than most other places, and I would lose my retirement basically because I’m in the SC Pension Plan, so leaving would be a massive financial decision. And that is on top of the student loans from my masters and my wife’s nurse practitioners degree... we just can’t afford to leave even if we want to.
Most kids are doing really well with masking and distancing. But then, like I said, you’ve also got that group that isn’t that does things like a 250+ person bonfire party over Thanksgiving Break. And ultimately, even if we’re able to make every kid to do exactly what they’re supposed to while at school, if they don’t outside of it, it won’t matter. Which sucks.
Italy with 993 deaths, Poland still having a bad time with 620 deaths, been about 3 weeks of high numbers in Poland.
A bit of Covid Christmas fun
Ffs
Just got around to reading this and the original review. Thanks for sharing! The Twitter thread definitely does a good job at bringing out the salient points for the layman. The diagrams of the different vaccine types in the main article is especially helpful though! I can kind of see how it works now.
Reading it now in light of the AZ news, I think the criticism directed against them is probably a bit harsh. It just seems like their vaccine candidate isn't as good, with a lower immune response and more side effects, but the comparison of the phase I/II trials reiterated that they tried to evaluate the immunogenicity in more ways (not just the sterilising effect but more elements of the neutralising effect). The dosing mixup seems to be more of an outlier than a fair reflection of their rigour, and more than anything it was a poorly handled PR issue (which they amazingly seem to making worse).
If we weren't comparing it to the results of these new mRNA vaccines they'd be praised for their speed and effectiveness. It isn't as effective as Pfizer but it is more effective than the one in widespread use in China, seemingly on three key dimensions: the neutralising effect in the general population, the neutralising effect in older adults, and the t-cells produced. so it's better than the flu vaccine people are happy to take in the UK, and the covid vaccine people are taking in China, but it's taking a bit of a pummeling. It's a good thing that they're being compared against such high standards with the US vaccines, but you can understand why the UK scientists are getting a bit prickly.
Am I right in thinking that the mRNA vaccine trials only tested symptomatic participants but the Oxford trial tested everyone so would have picked up asymptomatic people, thus reducing the effectiveness figures?
The effectiveness number was based on symptomatic subjects only. I can't find where I saw that now, but it was confirmed by the Oxford team.
Thanks.
Can you please provide a source for your comments on the Chinese vaccine? I have a friend who has access to Sinopharms vaccine but is still deciding if he should sign up for the jab, would be useful to know some info.
Here's a recent article discussing it in Nikkei Asia (maybe a bit gleefully?) and here it is in the Washington Post a little earlier. They both relate to this journal in the Lancet about Sinovac rather than Sinopharm. From this journal comparing the phase I/II results of the main vaccines, Sinopharm did perform notably better than Sinovac in the phase II trials, but we don't know the phase III results yet. I wouldn't take a vaccine until they've released phase III and it has been assessed by experts. That's when they thoroughly assess its safety and its efficacy. What we know so far is it generates some immune response and it is safe enough to continue testing, like Sinovac, but we don't know how well it performs.
What Sinopharm are saying is particularly strange, assuming it's not being mischaracterised. They haven't released phase III results but they're happy to say it's safe because they've just done an uncontrolled trial on over a million people and...no problems so far? But then maybe there's been no problems because they're not actually following up to check? It's all a bit curious.