No. You’re the twat who has refused to answer a simple question. Twice. A quick google reveals my summary above is fairly accurate. If you have anything useful to add, fire away. I suspect not. You rarely do.
SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)
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Nik (@Rood) and Imran (@Annihilate Now!) discuss United's fantastic win away against Athletic Club in the semi-final of the Europa League.
They also pick out the positives of United's 4-3 loss away at Brentford, and Nik reviews a day out at Old Trafford watching Manchester United Women qualify for the Champions League.
No. You’re the twat who has refused to answer a simple question. Twice. A quick google reveals my summary above is fairly accurate. If you have anything useful to add, fire away. I suspect not. You rarely do.
literally the post above yours. Just saying.
Ok, thanks. I saw the stuff about PPE, delayed lockdowns and nursing home stuff. Mistakes we’ve seen in almost every region with a really brutal first wave. Caught on their heels and making bad, rushed decisions as a result. But it’s difficult to unpick cause and effect here. Were they hit bad because it was managed badly, or was it managed badly because they were hit bad? Super-spreaders and exponential grown causes fine margins between success and disaster.
With BoJo, the delayed lockdown seemed obvious because of near neighbours beating him to the punch. Was that the case in the US? Did other states lockdown before NY?
EDIT: Reading those links now. California shut down 3 days sooner. Fair play to Cali. Although they seem to be doing a lot worse than NY now?
I didn’t know about him shielding nursing homes from liability. That’s a strange thing to do. Litigation in the states is bonkers but if he’s in cahoots with them, financially, that
looks very bad.
Once they got a bit of head-space NY seem to have handled this in an exemplary way. Certainly compared to the rest of America. That’s what it looks like anyway. I could be missing something?
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I saw that. It was a helpful post. You can leave now. There’s adults in the room.
My ward manager told me today that I'm down to getting the COVID vaccine in "two weeks" time. I'm obviously pro-vaccine, and I've never once entertained the arguments of anti-Vaccers, but I must admit I found it daunting that I'd be getting it this early 
Sure hope they have faith in not having any mid to long term side-effects 
Sure hope they have faith in not having any mid to long term side-effects I don't think I could just sit there and say nothing. I'd be fuming all weekend.
Annoying
Came across a pretty jarring fact on vaccine adoption today. A 70 year old black man in the US is roughly as likely to volunteer himself for the first rounds of vaccinations as a 20 year old white woman (in both cases, not that likely)...despite being roughly 50x more likely to die from covid. Not difficult to understand with Tuskegee still relatively fresh in the collective consciousness and a long history, never mind the current disparity in outcomes on non-covid stuff, but that's quite a big hurdle to overcome. In every other case, people that are more at risk from covid are less "vaccine hesitant". Men are much more likely to get it ASAP than women, old much more likely to than young. But race is a bigger determinant of vaccine hesitancy than any of those things, and it's the only one that cuts the other way - the most at risk are the least likely to take it.
My ward manager told me today that I'm down to getting the COVID vaccine in "two weeks" time. I'm obviously pro-vaccine, and I've never once entertained the arguments of anti-Vaccers, but I must admit I found it daunting that I'd be getting it this early
I’d just think of it as preferable to be exposed to a vaccine with solid pre-clinical and early phase evidence of only very minor adverse events than a virus with a mortality rate approaching 1% and horrible systemic pathology, that has an equivalent lack of evidence on long term sequelae.
I don't think most govts have come out looking well, and Cuomo should be lumped in with those, but his contrast with Trump and constant TV presence made him look more like Jacinda Adern (or Xi Jinping!) than Boris, Newson, etc.
Shit. That’s bad. How reliable is the “fact”?
You can see why the Dems want to use him as a poster boy. But I agree that the nursing home liability stuff leaves a bad taste.
Fair question. I don't think there's really any facts in vaccine hesitancy - any of the evidence on it is a bit too flimsy because it's all self-reported stuff about future behaviours. This was from a survey of 10,000 people in the US that finished just yesterday so I'd think it's a pretty good approximation of reality.
This survey is a little more reliable and while we can't make that exact comparison, the broad pattern remains the same - black folks much less likely than anyone else to take the vaccine. But it's from a couple of months ago. And there's no question there's historically been significant differences in vaccination rates - even among healthcare workers. Covid is a special case so we shouldn't assume those are unmovable attitudes, but someone will need to come up with a creative solution for sure. The speed things are moving at raises even more alarm bells for them than any other group, and for mostly legitimate reasons. They've struggled to get the numbers in trials but it seems like they're just about making it so far. Something different will be needed to scale it up.
I'll take yours if you don't want it, wouldn't mind jumping the queue.My ward manager told me today that I'm down to getting the COVID vaccine in "two weeks" time. I'm obviously pro-vaccine, and I've never once entertained the arguments of anti-Vaccers, but I must admit I found it daunting that I'd be getting it this early
oh so your google is working now, is it? good to know.
You can cut the sexual tension in this thread with a knife
He also slashed the budget for public schools in the middle of a pandemic and forced them to re-open. And even with the second wave of cases, he still refuses to help people with any useful legislation like rent or mortgage moratorium. The fact that he is out there selling his book, receiving awards, and doing rounds in the media is beyond disgusting.
Berating journalists, refusing to answer questions, it's not like families need to know whether schools will stay open or close next week.
I am fuming Penna , they will be in and out all weekend Christmas shopping, eating out and enjoying their freedom while locals here are still limiting their movements and some of the older more vulnerable not going out at all. I don`t go anywhere except walks on the beach as I look after my in laws and my wife is a carer and these lot turn up from Preston doing what the feck they want as if they are above the rules .
Hate to say it but I'm in Preston and it has one of the highest infection rates in the country. I've a week booked in the Brecon Beacons in February, but I won't go unless things change dramatically.
It boils my blood, and I have got nothing against anyone from Preston as they shouldn`t be coming from anywhere but as you said it is a high infection rate there and I honestly feel for you but what hope have we got if this is folks attitude. The worst part is the next door neighbour is ex RAF officer and looks down his nose at everyone as if they are beneath him , doesn`t talk to anyone in the village as we are the little people, cnut. Sorry if I am ranting but seeing them drive up the track tonight has lit my fuse.
Go and write 'Tom Finney was shite' on their car, if they look out the window on that they might choke on their butter pie and parched pea supper. Whoops, Sir Tom Finney, sorry.
They don`t do football , they are into horses. they piss me off though , my daughter lives 5 miles away and I only see my grandsons outside when the weather allows , my in laws hardly see them now cos it is impossible to keep a distance between an 80 year old with alzheimers and an 8yr , 3yr and a 3 month baby . My mother in law has got 3 great grandsons that she can`t have in her house or give them a cuddle and Mr and Mrs Biggles have theirs over for the weekend.
In Australia older and more religious people are the least likely to take it apparently.
Totally agree.
Another new development. An anti(body) covid jab for people who can't take vaccines is going to start clinical trials.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-55022288
Some amazing work being done out there. The things they've learned doing this covid vaccine/treatment work could have huge impacts on other infectious diseases over the next few years.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-55022288
Some amazing work being done out there. The things they've learned doing this covid vaccine/treatment work could have huge impacts on other infectious diseases over the next few years.
Thought of this when I read the figures today. 3 weeks later and they're about to cross 200k per day. Easy to get number blindness at this point but it was just at the end of October where crossing 100k seemed pretty concerning.
Hospitalization rate is now almost 50% higher than it was during the spring and summer peaks too, and no signs of slowing down
Yeah it does seem like it'll be a pretty sizable silver lining! I'm pretty confident we'll carry on with those benefits and a new (and healthier) perception of global and existential threats, too.
There are several European nations with worse numbers per capita.
You can’t consider European nations as distinct from each other if you’re going to compare them to the US numbers per capita for all 50 states combined. A fairer comparison would be against European per capita data overall.
More useful to look at data from individual US states and see how they bear up against various countries around the world.
Obviously, but it gives context/comparison.
This would be pretty groundbreaking if it worked surely?
feck we are entering a four week lockdown starting Monday. Thanks all you selfish cnuts.
Yes so the overall daily cases per 100k in the last week in the US is 51, compared to e.g. 71 in Austria or 91 in Montenegro. That amounts to an average of 567 cases per day in a country with ~600k people.
There are 10 states in the US with more than 100 per 100k in the last week, and the worst is North Dakota with 177. That equated to an average of 1,345 daily cases in a state with around 750k people. I've just used the NYT for global and US cases to standardise the comparisons.
I wasn't trying to make the point that the US are experiencing the worst of it, in any case. I've never quite understood the obsession with splitting hairs to decide who is #1 on places like this. Ronaldo or Messi, North Dakota or Montenegro...they're both good, they're both bad, everything else seems mostly irrelevant.
Yup, I hadn't updated my post since May basically. He's as bad as any of them.
I know, that's kinda why I didn't even quote you. Just a general comment, as there are plenty of other people in this thread that will only look at absolute numbers.
The fact that Europe is doing pretty much as badly as US, just shows how bad Europe is.
When the cases go up, the testing doesn't keep up, so hospitalisations would be better metric (you know this already of course, another general comment). Czech for instance had a peak that was 3 times higher than US hospitalisations. And most of the Eastern Europe reports cases quite poorly (Romania, Bulgaria and many others).
This is fantastic news for people like me. This jab gives you the antibodies, rather than provoking your immune system to produce them. I can't risk anything that sends my immune system into hyperdrive mode, as it does that on its own on a regular basis.
I'm assuming it is a monoclonal antibody treatment. Cost has been prohibitive in some cases but the scale of covid may bring the unit price way down https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mon...tibody (mAb or,is recognized by the antibody).
Nearly 30% of kids at a Cumbrian school infected and probably still rising.
I know that school, it's a boarding school (with an emphasis on producing top rugby players).
I heard from a parent with kids at a big rugby school in Dublin that members of the first team were turning up to school/training with no sense of smell and not telling anyone in case they lost their place in the squad.