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- Thread starter Don't Kill Bill
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Aint that the truth
That's good news for them, if you can even have good news in their situation. I still don't understand why they weren't allowed to dock in NZ and be tested before they were allowed to leave their boat. They weren't going to have Covid, having been stuck at sea for weeks. It seemed very inhumane to leave them in limbo.
It was an awful initial decision, completely lacked in logic and humanity. Nobody here could understand it. They got told they had approval on Nov. 2nd so hopefully they are already on their way to NZ and maybe might get home to England by xmas.
Most likely true sadly but important to point out that the report came from Deutsche Bank, not from some British thinktank. Which I think some people (not you) are missing a bit in their replies.
I guess I should have known the responses I'd get on here considering, like you said, the heavily leaning of posters on here who can work from home are probably not going to be the biggest fans. Or seemingly from some of the criticism, read the article properly.I'm not too sure where this criticism of save the city is coming from.....do people think the city workers (bankers, consultants etc) are the targets of this? Or at real risk of losing their jobs compared to others?
I totally agree with you that the move to home working for many will exacerbate income inequalities even more...and probably health inequalities too.
Doesn't mean that the tax increase couldn't come at least partially or fully from the employer (which it mentions) or by taxing bonuses etc etc.
But personally, even though I can't work from home for the most part, I'm perfectly happy to pay a bit more in tax to support those who are likely struggling significantly right now, as part of a raft of other measures too. I don't want society to become even more unequal.
Well, those who are currently working from home are probably already in the higher percentile of earners, it's mostly qualified professionals doing it; IT, accounting, finance, law etc. Chances are they (we) will be the ones getting taxed to the hilt to pay for the bill when it's all over anyway so may as well get a start on it early eh?
I also probably wouldn't mind? I mean I do save a bloody fortune working from home.
I also probably wouldn't mind? I mean I do save a bloody fortune working from home.
I read the article just fine thanks. The article only mentions employers that won’t provide a desk. Where is the idea that people working from home aren’t also struggling financially?
I'm not too sure where this criticism of save the city is coming from.....do people think the city workers (bankers, consultants etc) are the targets of this? Or at real risk of losing their jobs compared to others?
I totally agree with you that the move to home working for many will exacerbate income inequalities even more...and probably health inequalities too.
Doesn't mean that the tax increase couldn't come at least partially or fully from the employer (which it mentions) or by taxing bonuses etc etc.
But personally, even though I can't work from home for the most part, I'm perfectly happy to pay a bit more in tax to support those who are likely struggling significantly right now, as part of a raft of other measures too. I don't want society to become even more unequal.
US slowly approaching 2k deaths a day.
Not sure there's much to have a go at them at really, not 'China's' fault they've got these dodgy bats hiding out in caves. Food hygene standards at these wet markets etc they obviously have an issue with but not sure how much evidence there is to show they were responsible for this outbreak. The first documented spreader event came from one but the virus didn't originate there.
Apart from the Wuhan goveners initial reaction, China appared to be completely transparent from early January with daily journals being posted by their medical/scientific communities, keeping the world informed of developments.
They dealt with the outbreak themselves ridiculously well and laid out the blueprint for the rest of the world on how to deal with it long before most western countries recorded their first case. They've also done an awful lot to help other countries with equipment and personnel.
The levels of incompetence in most western countries to deal with it, mostly notably US/UK, are absolutely off the charts. There will continue to be huge levels of propaganda focused against China in the coming years just because the cnuts in our governments need to divert the blame. Gotta be wary of everything we hear.
Have the Chinese Super League on now and it's amazing to see a sporting event with fans packed together with little to no masks. I guess restricting freedoms and forcing quarantine works. We are literally killing each other for our freedoms.
I agree with everything you wrote.
Also to add - given what we know now about how this spreads, there is no way in hell they would have been able to keep it localized even if there was not for the early silencing.
To say China has been completely transparent since January is wrong. They knew it was spreading person to person for a long time (obviously - look how infectious it is, doctors becoming ill etc). They were hoovering up PPE whilst downplaying the disease and decrying other nations for imposing travel restrictions on China (ironically now they have largely shut their own borders). Their reporting of the death toll looks implausibly low given what we saw of their hospitals prior to lockdown. And now their own pandemic is under control is there any sign that they're allowing international scrutiny of ground zero in Wuhan? Not to mention the propaganda that covid didn't start in China, it was only discovered there.
And let's not pretend that it was not common knowledge in the scientific community that the next zoonotic disease pandemic disease would come out of China most likely. There is a problem with intensive rural farming of animals as well as wet markets.
Where they have been good is that they used the right template to deal with it (drive incidence very low, keep it there and employ mass testing). It helps that the population is more willing to accept sacrifices and conform to things like wearing masks. Whereas in the west many people are happy for someone else to die as long as they have their "freedoms'.
I hadn't thought to claim for tax relief actually, think I'll put that claim in later today.
This WFH tax thing. Isn't it because they're going to lose alot of money from businesses not using buildings and paying tax on that kinda stuff?
Obviously taxing the worker themself isn't great, but taxing the employer wouldn't work either as they'd just make everyone to back to the office.
Can't wait till my tax shoots up next year anyway. Already started stocking up on supernoodles for when I can no longer afford to eat properly.
Obviously taxing the worker themself isn't great, but taxing the employer wouldn't work either as they'd just make everyone to back to the office.
Can't wait till my tax shoots up next year anyway. Already started stocking up on supernoodles for when I can no longer afford to eat properly.
It's a think tank suggestion that won't see the light of day. I'm not even convinced it would be legal or enforceable.
The biggest loser of the flight away from offices is going to be commercial property funds and pensions. They've all been closed most of the year and many were before that. Just for retail investors alone there's about 14 billion sat suspended. It'll be mayhem when they open.
For all the doom and gloom i think cheaper commercial property will become a boost for many businesses. It may also end up revitalising local communities.
i wonder about the longer term impact of a 'new normal' that involves a large degree of working from home. doesn't this in theory open up say the London job market to anyone in the entire UK? maybe companies will prefer paying £15k less for someone living in Belfast rather than someone who happens to live in Greater London? we've already heard of people choosing to move away from central london to further afield to get larger properties. will be interesting to see what the knock on medium term effects once the new normal starts to settle.
Or £50k less for someone living in the Philippines or India. A lot of people are feeling positive about home working in the long term but they could be turkeys getting excited about Christmas.
A lot of folk seem to think it's only relatively unskilled jobs at risk, as call centres are the first thing that spring to mind, but I suspect it will be much bigger than that. Accounting, education, architecture, a whole chunk of things. If it can be done in a converted bedroom in some leafy English suburb it can be done in Mumbai as well.
33,470 confirmed cases in the UK today. Highest since start of pandemic.
Downing Street about to go live.
Wowzers!
Shit! Thought the UK was plateauing out.
Another IT glitch, surely?
Can only see deaths and cases going up between now and the 2nd. How does England possibly come out of lockdown?
They’ll announce that they need another week of lockdown but it’s important that businesses have the busy Christmas period. As a result from the 14th all educational settings will switch to online which will:
A) control the spread of the virus
B) allow children and families to isolate before seeing extended families for Christmas.
Edit; is my guess - but it makes sense IMO.
Doesn't really feel like a lockdown this time for me, work is mostly normal in education, traffic feels the same, busy as feck on way home tonight.
Agreed. All that's happened is pubs and restaurants have closed. Most shops have found a way to stay open it seems by stocking an item considered essential.
Totally agree. Work from home eases congestion, redcues pollution and increases productivity.
Tories: let's tax them for that.
I'm currently splitting my time between working from home and in the office. It must depend massively on the sort of work you do, but there is absolutely no way that working from home is more productive.
And we can only imagine the total number increasing those who have symptoms but don't actually get a test.
There are super rich corporations that do not pay even 5% tax on their total income. Amazon is a prime example, excuse the pun.
I'm not too sure where this criticism of save the city is coming from.....do people think the city workers (bankers, consultants etc) are the targets of this? Or at real risk of losing their jobs compared to others?
I totally agree with you that the move to home working for many will exacerbate income inequalities even more...and probably health inequalities too.
Doesn't mean that the tax increase couldn't come at least partially or fully from the employer (which it mentions) or by taxing bonuses etc etc.
But personally, even though I can't work from home for the most part, I'm perfectly happy to pay a bit more in tax to support those who are likely struggling significantly right now, as part of a raft of other measures too. I don't want society to become even more unequal.
If you don't want society to become more unequal, surely any increase in tax should target those in the top percentiles of income first, rather than Joe Bloggs doing call centre work from home?
Quite agree with you. During the first lockdown, there was very little traffic or people out and about. At the shops for example.
We have to hope that this semi lockdown has the desired effect. But I am less than optimistic.
Some data lag in the reporting but nothing that would suggest a massive glitch. Could be a mini spike right on the cusp of the lockdown.
Apparently not, and there isn't a huge backlog in reporting either. Perhaps the outcome of announcing the new lockdown well in advance and people taking advantage of the time to socialise as much as possible? Schools returning from half term? Maybe it's a freak results day - too much can be read into one off results - but it also may just be the reality of how the virus has been growing. We'll know by case numbers in the coming days if this new "lockdown" has had any positive impact.
Big number that, too early to read much into it though
I'm in London and it doesn't feel like a lockdown at all. I go into the office once a week and the train gets packed in the morning, with a lot of traffic on the road.
Also, where I live, some shops and cafes have stayed opened throughout this and are not following the lockdown laws. The council in my area even sent out an email telling those business they have to close or may face fines, with little to no action taken.
Looks like increases across the regions, with the West Midlands showing the biggest daily increase.
That's a massive increase in the UK. In Italy we're at nearly 38,000 cases and 623 new deaths. It's very depressing, but I have confidence in how the Government here are handling it.
Looks like increases across the regions, with the West Midlands showing the biggest daily increase.
How is the North East still going up like that? I thought they'd basically been in lockdown for months now