So am I hearing right. In Germany Merkel is saying that in several regions Track and Trace is not working. Seems the experts were correct that T&T only works when numbers are low.
SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)
- Thread starter Don't Kill Bill
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Thanks.
I had a look at early posts in this thread and even at the beginning there are a lot of people talking about social distancing, masks, protecting the elderly etc but also early on comments about irresponsible people who have no regard for others. Sadly it seems those themes even though they were understood early are still problems.
Your benefits system will improve when your tax rates match that of western Europe, until then, forget it.
True that
so they only put the new tier system in two weeks ago and already they need to change it. No wonder nobody listens to them.
Tier 1+ is only a very minor additional measure that the Bristol Mayor is implementing.
Are you being serious?
The young lady I mentioned is convincing thousands of people that every single vaccine in existence is dangerous.
Another recurring theme from Feb/March seems to be faffing around in the uk while their nearest neighbours are more decisive. There’s been a lot of people in Ireland very annoyed about much stricter rules re restaurants/pubs and gathering over the last few weeks but they seem to be doing the trick, with fewer people in hospital today than yesterday and daily cases flat/declining over the last week.
Obviously a lot that can still go wrong but I think we’ll end up being pleased about being so decisive. Just a massive pain in the arse having such close connections with a country that seems to be making the same mistakes all over again. We really need to find a way to control our borders better than we have done up until now.
France's lockdown is back.
Northern Ireland are close to giving up and thats a major problem. Theyll soon be a stalemate with DUP becoming more and more anti mask never mind measures and its on the cusp of becoming a secterian issue. Christmas is going to be a nightmare up here.
Thisvirus is really clever you know. It only comes after you if theres morethna 6 of you, or if it's after 10pm
These kind of comments piss me off on FB
National lockdown got to be coming in the next week after the French and German announcements.
Too much external pressure.
Too much external pressure.
At least the leaders of France and Germany are taking decisive action. Germany with half of new cases and one quarter of deaths compared with the UK.
But Boris is as usual not brave enough to admit that he has got it completely wrong and has lost control of the pandemic.
Yeah surely.
I wouldn't praise the leader of France, he should have taken that decision a few weeks ago.
It would be easier to take what the Government say at face value if they hadn’t been caught lying several times.
Feck me. Really?! How predictable that those cnuts end up being the bad guys.
Well, they'll make excellent pantomime villains.
I just don't get where the money comes from to pay for it? The countries borrowing is already basically the highest in history, add another lockdown to that and how do we pay for things like the NHS going forward?
Plus lockdowns have been shown to only be a temporary fix soon as you start to open up again it just goes to pot again.
So what do we do just keep having a lockdown every few months until we are utterly bankrupt?
That's not the British way, it's dodge tax at all costs and kick up a massive fuss if any aspect of the national infrastructure isn't 100% shiny! I really hate my country sometimes!
I don’t have the answers to any of the points which are valid, but seeing the government’s own reports showing how the biggest spikes are in education and workplace settings (and having a wife/family/friends who work in education) whilst they steadfastly say they’re both staying open no matter what.
If this is the absolute redline in place then there has to be a trade-off, we cannot have schools and workplaces and pubs and restaurants and gyms and leisure centres and shops all open at the same time, no matter the arbitrary closures in place.
You either have schools open and close off other sectors, or accept that schools may have to close again.
Again, I accept there is no easy or all-encompassing answer to this, but what’s happening at present is clearly not working. We’re seeing increasing lockdown restrictions over wider areas of the country but the numbers just keep on jumping higher and higher. Hospitals are getting more and more loaded again and we need something to break this cycle, otherwise the other option is letting the virus run through us.
You won’t go bankrupt. You’ll borrow money. Or print it.
So were all those predictions of no second wave mere blind optimism?
but surely you can't just do that forever?
But equally haven't lockdown been shown not to work they just lower the levels for a while then they come back as soon as you open up?
I don't think there is a solution either, but locking down again just seems like it's kicking the problem a few months down the line when the country will have less money to deal with the issue when it does run through us.
Lockdown was designed to ensure hospitals aren't over capacity in ICU. It's a bit of a misconception from the broad public where they think the lockdown is designed to eradicate the virus. In their goal of ensuring hospitals are functioning, they prove effective. There is a trade off against this though. The tier system is far beyond a lockdown, and is merely restrictions on activity. Whether that has proven to be the effective call in the UK will be shown in November.
When you say National, you mean England not UK?
So I was confirmed today.
When it comes to work and wages etc, whats the deal.
Am I to furlough? I assume I don't take it off as sick
When it comes to work and wages etc, whats the deal.
Am I to furlough? I assume I don't take it off as sick
Latest findings from influential Imperial College London study:
- 96,000 catching the virus every day
- Doubling every 9 days
- 1 in 78 now testing positive
- Estimated R rate in London 2.86
Scary if true. Makes you wonder what the Ro is as that will affect what the HIT is.
Confirmed as positive? Sick leave obviously, I mean you have a positive diagnosis to show for. If you're feeling well, good on you, you can simply chill.
Half of them look like the overweight diabetics the virus will be licking its lips at, the other half look like Millwall fans who are upset they haven't been able to have a fight for the last 6 months.
Agreed. Also, I would defend an individuals freedom of choice when it comes to healthcare.
It's not a household budget, you can keep 'borrowing' or printing until it severely impacts the credit rating and currency. Neither are anywhere close to likely because of another lockdown more so Brexit. Rates are low and it's just another war time event where we'll pay it back over the next century along with inflation eroding it.
Further some of the cost of the increased borrowing would be needed regardless of lockdown. The furlough scheme would still be needed as would the PHE budget.
Also I can't believe we still have people saying lockdowns don't work. They cut the infection rate so yes they do work, they stop hospitals becoming overcrowded and stop the societal and economic impact of this sweeping through a country. The economic rebound we had during the summer was a result of lockdown.
Well, I guess the reason people say it is because it only cuts cases temporarily then when you open up after a couple of months you back to square 1.
So you're saying the country can just borrow and borrow, let business close for an extended period, furlough millions of people and pay 80% of their wages, without real long term effect or consequence for people or the country?
Exactly. I think people don't realise that the only reason we did manage to get a bit of control on the virus from June to August was because of the lockdown. The only hope is that we can get a vaccine soon but till then lockdowns have to happen unfortunately. We will soon be having 500+ deaths a day which is incredible for a country the size of UK