Given the UK has had significantly higher fatalities and a much deeper economic slump off the back of lockdown, by what metric do you consider Italy having suffered 'more severe consequences'?
SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)
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Baffles me that people don’t get this.
The post you've quoted says they "could suffer more severe consequences". On the virus transmission side, that's just based on the sharper increase in cases and the higher number of daily cases, especially after doing so well to keep cases so low, and the development of specific hotspots which posed the biggest problem there last time. Which I'm taking from local's comments in here plus the supporting data. On the economic side, that's largely a byproduct of it: a more strict response leading to more economic damage.
But that's not really the point I'm making, so if it's a point of contention, I'm happy to retract the statement. The broader point is that if the measures were much more appropriate, and much better adhered to, then you would have expected the UK to do significantly worse - especially at this stage. And there were a lot of people in here saying that is why the UK was going the way it was, while Italy was keeping things low. Is it an unreasonable point to question how influential those measures can be when the conditions worsen, or alternatively how well they were adhered to in their respective countries?
How are Boots able to offer a 12 minute test and the Gov aren't?
Yet more government lies...
This morning on BBC1, Matt Hancock clearly stated that Boris Johnson had been in close contact recently with Marcus Rashford regarding free school meals.
And yet on SKY, he clearly stated that he has not been in contact with Rashford since June.
Am I surprised. Not at all.
Lies are endemic with this government. So much easier than being truthful.
This morning on BBC1, Matt Hancock clearly stated that Boris Johnson had been in close contact recently with Marcus Rashford regarding free school meals.
And yet on SKY, he clearly stated that he has not been in contact with Rashford since June.
Am I surprised. Not at all.
Lies are endemic with this government. So much easier than being truthful.
I imagine it's a small scale operation that will be dealing with low numbers a day based off the machine that will be processing, as opposed to the hundreds of thousands that require processing and the most efficient way to do that is via a lab.
Different type of test. Boots is doing an antigen test which is a lot less accurate than the PCR test done in labs. I think we’ll end up moving towards using similar tests to the Boots one on a massive scale at some point soon. But it’s not accurate enough yet to compete with PCR tests at a national level.
In Belgium they're working on a 5 min PCR test.
https://www.eenewseurope.com/news/five-minute-breath-test-covid-19
"imec in Belgium is developing a PCR test that can identify Covid-19 in breath in under five minutes.
The research lab in Leuven has been given a grant of €2 million by the Flemish government and is teaming up with UZ Leuven University Hospital for clinical validation of Covid-19 test. Imec intends to test a functional prototype at Brussels Airport in the summer of 2021.
The test uses the 'gold standard' polymerase chain reaction (PCR) to be accurate in determining if someone has the virus without having to use an uncomfortable nasal swab and laboratory processing time. Other tests can be easier to conduct but can be less accurate.
By testing exhaled air imec tests not only whether someone has the virus but also how likely they are to be contagious. Droplets from exhaled breath are thought to be the virus's main transmission method. Peter Peumans, CTO of Health Technologies at IMEC said the test is being designed to cope flexibly with other viruses that spread by the same method, such as influenza, respiratory synctycial virus (RSV) and tuberculosis.
"SARS-CoV-2 testing via breath sample coupled with an ultrafast molecular analysis would be game-changing since it would allow for the timely detection of individuals who are most likely to transmit the virus," said Peter Piot, of the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine.
The system uses an aerosol sample collector and molecular analysis unit that can perform the polymerase chain reaction (PCR) test. The microfluidic MEMS allows for thousands of cavities in which to capture viral particles and testing time has been reduced from 50 minutes to 5 minutes."
https://www.eenewseurope.com/news/five-minute-breath-test-covid-19
"imec in Belgium is developing a PCR test that can identify Covid-19 in breath in under five minutes.
The research lab in Leuven has been given a grant of €2 million by the Flemish government and is teaming up with UZ Leuven University Hospital for clinical validation of Covid-19 test. Imec intends to test a functional prototype at Brussels Airport in the summer of 2021.
The test uses the 'gold standard' polymerase chain reaction (PCR) to be accurate in determining if someone has the virus without having to use an uncomfortable nasal swab and laboratory processing time. Other tests can be easier to conduct but can be less accurate.
By testing exhaled air imec tests not only whether someone has the virus but also how likely they are to be contagious. Droplets from exhaled breath are thought to be the virus's main transmission method. Peter Peumans, CTO of Health Technologies at IMEC said the test is being designed to cope flexibly with other viruses that spread by the same method, such as influenza, respiratory synctycial virus (RSV) and tuberculosis.
"SARS-CoV-2 testing via breath sample coupled with an ultrafast molecular analysis would be game-changing since it would allow for the timely detection of individuals who are most likely to transmit the virus," said Peter Piot, of the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine.
The system uses an aerosol sample collector and molecular analysis unit that can perform the polymerase chain reaction (PCR) test. The microfluidic MEMS allows for thousands of cavities in which to capture viral particles and testing time has been reduced from 50 minutes to 5 minutes."
Now that could be a game changer.
What if someone was to make a test that could do it in say 1 minute. Would that hypothetical test be good?
Ah ok, I was entering the debate late tbf. Tbh, my brain is too frazzled after a stress-y day at work, so will leave this to our Italian posters. Would be interesting to see if there was any measure of comparison on adherence across countries, but guess it would be highly subjective.
Um... yes? Not sure where you’re going with this?
The main thing is that an ideal test is quick and accurate, with PCR tests the most accurate we have yet.
@Pogue Mahone would a test that came back in 23 seconds and was 94.2% effective be a good test?
Just wondering why so called “scientists” are working on five minute testers when quicker ones would be better. This is why faith in the government is falling.
I'm so tired of reading Danish friends on Facebook complaining about masks and how they give cancer etc. etc.
One even suggested we should try and split the world in a normal one and one for all those hysterical about covid. What does she think will happen in the former? No one gets ill?
One even suggested we should try and split the world in a normal one and one for all those hysterical about covid. What does she think will happen in the former? No one gets ill?
Well, it can't be wiped out. I'm a little surprised that masks aren't more universally used in Europe, it seems to be because the region had so much luck beating the virus down with lockdowns. Here in the US masks have been a big topic for months, since we never beat the virus back. Your need to act like New Zealand to get rid of it.
My understanding is that we're all gonna get this eventually, so we want the person giving it to us to be wearing a mask and we want to be wearing one ourselves, so that the viral load is small and our immune systems can easily defeat it. And of course we don't want to overwhelm the healthcare system so we can't have too many sick at once. Waiting for a vaccine with lockdowns certainly isn't gonna work in a country with no financial assistance from the govt.
There was an outbreak in a California penal system, 96% were asymptomatic thanks to the masks, we know they weren't able to social distance in prison. That's down from 60% symptomatic and 20% hospitalized without masks at the beginning of the pandemic.
This is the main reason the deaths are lower than before, and of course the medial knowledge we've acquired since then, using steroids and blood thinners, and the use of Ivermectin, Doxycycline, Zinc and Vitamin D3 showing great ability to defeat symptomatic cases, and others.
https://www.thehindu.com/news/natio...tive-in-treating-covid-19/article32601262.ece
Yea but I am thinking about the tech if there is any way it can be scaled to cope with big numbers.
Just been for my first Covid test at a drive-thru centre. It was eerie driving through at night under floodlights, with workers all hazmat-ed up and communicating with you via printed sheets, as you can't wind your window down until you reach the actual testing part.
The gamer/moviebuff in me has played/seen enough pre/post-apocalyptic games/movies to be 100% prepared for one of the workers to be suddenly set upon by a flesh-eating humanoid of some kind. Fortunately, it passed without incident. This time...
The gamer/moviebuff in me has played/seen enough pre/post-apocalyptic games/movies to be 100% prepared for one of the workers to be suddenly set upon by a flesh-eating humanoid of some kind. Fortunately, it passed without incident. This time...
For some reason people seem to think that if you’re listening to the advice about mask wearing, it makes you scared (or hysterical as you put it).
I got accused of living in fear the other day (on social media obviously, because none of those weirdos would say it to someone’s face), and all I could think of replying was that it literally makes no difference to me to put a mask on for 2 seconds while I get some milk.
I genuinely struggle to understand people’s issue with others choosing to wear a mask. The whole lock down vs economy argument is at least something that has valid points on either side.
It’s similar in lunacy to those who are blaming the increasing rates of infection with increased testing. Increased testing just shows how much actual virus is out there, it doesn’t cause one more case than what was already out in the world. If anything, the testing might be lagging too much in the states.
Kids. What a bunch of cnuts!
I went to a testing site with a drive thru and it was nothing like that at all. People in aprons and masks talking as you would from a suitable distance.
I should add that I live in Stoke; appearing apocalyptic is one of the few things the city still does well.
Indeed, we've been living in relative harmony with the undead for some time!Covid is nothing compared to monkey dust
Wow. Just, wow.
Yeah all over the place here... funny they say we live in fear by following a very tiny set of simple rules while they come up with fear mongering stories about microchips, NWO and global depopulation plan.
I’ll not believe any off it until the NWO led by hulk hogan, Scott Hall & co come out dressed in black carrying anal probes which disperse 5g micro controller chips in your ass
And if they didn't like the 3 minute test we could send them the extra 2 minutes for free.
Not unless we don't get a vaccine and it would be at the cost of millions of lives.
You're not far off summer now so that should help aswell?
Winter is well and truly over already in NSW and I assume Victoria will have warmed up considerably from winter as well. We have had a stormy couple of days but that just means shorts are a bit cold for evenings here in Sydney.
Victoria had a second day of zero cases and only 2 cases nationwide, both in NSW and both connected to known sources. I still wear a mask in public though as this shit show isn't over
Of course more worried about the offspring who is in Croatia and then back to California in late Nov.
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You should be banned for forgetting Kevin Nash
Lockdowns will indirectly cause more deaths in the long run than Covid.
How do you know?
Will it? Really? Any evidence for that assertion? Of course lockdowns have detrimental affects but ......