It was mentioned after the press conference today on the BBC. £22m allocated to test and trace, the balance is for business support.
SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)
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It was mentioned after the press conference today on the BBC. £22m allocated to test and trace, the balance is for business support.
People are fully desensitized at the amount of deaths because it's not as bad as the hight of the first lockdown.
241 people died and people aren't batting an eye lid.
Crazy.
241 people died and people aren't batting an eye lid.
Crazy.
Whilst it's an upwards trend, Monday & Today's number has the lag of deaths reported from the weekend.
Because life has to go on. You can’t live in perpetual misery over people dying.
It is also going to be really patchy depending on which vaccines don't fail and which ones your country will have access to. Then factor in manufacture, distribution, administration and vax resistance and it is hard to know for sure. But vaccines possibly plus monoclonal antibodies/anti-virals that work well and things could be much closer to normal by late 21.
I doubt we will be able to vaccinate to reach the HIT in most countries but the R will come down as vaccines are rolled out.
The vaccine mutating is possible and mass vaccination could speed this up. Hopefully to be less harmless (more often than not due to selection pressures as a dead host can't infect others) but not a given.
You can if their deaths are unnecessary.
You can’t. Over 46,000 people died in England and Wales last October. Were people expected to go around thinking about it all day every day? This isn’t me saying Covid isn’t a massive issue, it clearly is, but you can’t expect people to be obsessing over every death. It’s not healthy regardless of the fact any death is a tragedy.
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It might not be good for your individual mental health to concentrate on it too much but it hasn't been worried about enough by the powers that be. And they haven't communicated the restrictions in terns of this is to save the life of your relatives etc. You get the feeling that countries like the UK started from the economics rather than started from it being a health/medical issue. By the time the true error of this approach was apparent it had spread almost beyond control. Now covid fatigue is such that people are ignoring the human toll as long as they don't have to think about it too much. This is something we can lay at the government's door due to their chaotic and bungled response.
I wouldn’t disagree with any of that. But people shouldn’t feel guilty for getting on with their lives provided they’re following the rules and not putting people in unnecessary danger. We’ve been doing it throughout the history of our species.
Follow the rules and there is no reason anyone should feel guilty.
Australia had a total of 5 locally acquired infections yesterday - all connected to know sources/clusters - 3 in Victoria and 2 in NSW.
Victoria had only 1 yesterday and there aren't sure if it is an old infection still shedding virus or a reinfection yet. Watch this space.
Victoria had only 1 yesterday and there aren't sure if it is an old infection still shedding virus or a reinfection yet. Watch this space.
Social media specially, I think. It's both the medium on which the worst information flows, and also the medium that makes everyone have an opinion on every subject.
Took me all this time to understand how important Socrates most famous quote is, and the dangers of everyone ignoring it.
In general terms and normal times you’d be right but the thing with Covid is that it a death you can catch and transmit. That means a lot of the deaths could be seen as unnecessary and anything that can be done to reduce the spread should be done.
Without sufficient financial support people can't afford to lockdown effectively so the virus is less likely to be contained.
Andy Burnham also has a valid point that the government is ignoring its own scientists with this regional tiered lockdown strategy instead of a circuit breaker national lockdown.
If the government don't want the national economic impact of a full lockdown, why is it OK to impose that same damage on the North without a proper support package?
Spot on.
People are always willing defend their 'side'. If you spend any time in one of the various politics threads you soon recognise who will lower themselves to such levels.
It's fairly obvious to the majority of people that the Tories are playing politics and being utterly spiteful cnuts.
So what do you think about South Yorkshire going straight into Tier 3 without behaving like a bunch of cnuts?
Burnham is playing politics with people's lives.
Burnham did the right thing. Its Boris and his cronies f*ckin about!
The government's secretive Covid contracts are heaping misery on Britain
https://www.theguardian.com/comment...itain-nhs-corporate-executives-test-and-trace
When it is all listed in one place like this, it makes the UK governments incompetence and cronyism even more stark.
https://www.theguardian.com/comment...itain-nhs-corporate-executives-test-and-trace
When it is all listed in one place like this, it makes the UK governments incompetence and cronyism even more stark.
Fascinating, do tell me more
Yeah nothing we don't know but still absolutely disgusting. Someone will be along to defend it shortly though...
That is a scary read...
When it talks about Dido Harding, failing in her role and then being given...basically a promotion...
" Having demonstrated, to almost everyone’s dissatisfaction, that she was the wrong person for the job, Harding has now been given an even bigger role, as head of the National Institute for Health Protection, to run concurrently with the first one. This is the government’s replacement for Public Health England, which it blames for its own disasters. Harding’s appointment looks to me like a reward for failure."
And THEN finding out that her husband is appointed head of anti corruption...
" What is this about? Why is failure rewarded? Why are contracts issued with so little accountability or transparency? There may be a perfectly reasonable explanation, but you might expect the government’s Anti-Corruption Champion to investigate. Or perhaps not. He is John Penrose MP, Dido Harding’s husband. "
Jesus. Coincidence? There's so many 'coincidences' in that article...it's not funny.
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Did the right thing by delaying tier 3 by a week? How many lives will be lost because of this delay?
That is a scary read...
When it talks about Dido Harding, failing in her role and then being given...basically a promotion...
" Having demonstrated, to almost everyone’s dissatisfaction, that she was the wrong person for the job, Harding has now been given an even bigger role, as head of the National Institute for Health Protection, to run concurrently with the first one. This is the government’s replacement for Public Health England, which it blames for its own disasters. Harding’s appointment looks to me like a reward for failure."
And THEN finding out that her husband is appointed head of anti corruption...
" What is this about? Why is failure rewarded? Why are contracts issued with so little accountability or transparency? There may be a perfectly reasonable explanation, but you might expect the government’s Anti-Corruption Champion to investigate. Or perhaps not. He is John Penrose MP, Dido Harding’s husband. "
Jesus. Coincidence? There's so many 'coincidences' in that article...it's not funny.
I mean let's be honest this is exactly the sort of thing that Panorama should be covering isn't it. I don't think enough people outside of social media bubbles are aware of exactly what is going on under the umbrella of this pandemic.
They government is pissing about trying to play hard negotiator with it's own citizens for fecks sake. Manchester asked for the money they needed and then reduced that demand, the government offered less than what it can afford just to try and make a point and look strong. They are plain evil and I don't see how you can call it any other way when you look at what they are willing to spend money on as Burnham said.
The above has been covered in more depth in Private Eye for some time, it has been even more depressing reading than usual in these times.
The cronyism is so obvious and opportunistic.
It's not remotely in his ability to delay anything by a week. What are you even on about?
Very good thread from Public Health Physician on what is needed in Ireland to get through this. Probably relevant in most other countries too.
Also. A sobering news story on the downsides of shutting your borders.
Going away from the politics side of things a bit..
What's people's opinions on doing sport during this 2nd wave? I play Saturday league, and have been going to training and matches again regularly since around August (stopped originally in March).
I've felt relatively comfortable, as everything's outdoors, people forced to sanitize their hands pre and post match, no shaking hands etc. Although the last few dies of confirmed cases and deaths flying up has got me a little anxious.
Especially as in the last few weeks our assistant manager got a positive Covid test, and a couple of others had to self isolate due to being in contact with someone etc.
Do we think there's almost no risk in getting it outdoors in a football match scenario (unless someone was to cough or sneeze in your face)? Or do you think it's smart to hold off a bit now and get back when things cool off again..
What's people's opinions on doing sport during this 2nd wave? I play Saturday league, and have been going to training and matches again regularly since around August (stopped originally in March).
I've felt relatively comfortable, as everything's outdoors, people forced to sanitize their hands pre and post match, no shaking hands etc. Although the last few dies of confirmed cases and deaths flying up has got me a little anxious.
Especially as in the last few weeks our assistant manager got a positive Covid test, and a couple of others had to self isolate due to being in contact with someone etc.
Do we think there's almost no risk in getting it outdoors in a football match scenario (unless someone was to cough or sneeze in your face)? Or do you think it's smart to hold off a bit now and get back when things cool off again..
I still play football but might stop now.
They’ve released the evidence used to make decisions on the circuit breaker in Northern Ireland. They estimated school closures would reduce the R rate by between 0.2 and 0.5. They’re closed for one week more than they were scheduled to. Hairdressers/Beautician’s are estimated at 0.05, places of worship at 0.1. Guess which are allowed to stay in place for the next four weeks? Hospitality closures are expected to reduce it by 0.1-0.2. Yet despite these decisions it will still be the general public’s fault.
That's not quite what happened is it.
Manchester was offered an amount, asked for more, and when they weren't immediately given what they wanted spent the next week telling anybody who would listen how bad the government is handling this, the situation in Manchester isn't as bad as is being made out, and how the people should pretty much ignore anything they say. Any you wonder why the government didn't respond well to this?
I would still play if i were in England but in Italy the decision has been taken for me, all non professional contact sport has been stopped. I'm not sure i agree with it but then i remember the very first case here, the guy played 5 aside before he was diagnosed and something like half the players caught it.
Yeah, that's the issue, and the fact that the confirmed case in our squad and people isolating etc. have all come up in the last 3 weeks, with none of it happening the few months previous. Also a good chunk of people who play local football aren't the brightest of bulbs, so can imagine a few ignoring symptoms and playing with them.
Although I refer back to that Dutch study that says your risk of catching the virus outdoors is almost 0, and needing to be within the vicinity of someone with the virus for 15 mins + to have enough of the virus load.
How many peoples lives will be ruined as they are not being funded sufficiently, businesses will close, homes will be lost, i really feel for a lot of people.
There would have been no delay had the correct finances been offered from the get go. 100% Burnham did the right thing. Any extra lives lost are on Boris, not Burnham. Any argument against Burnham holds no water at all!
I manage an Under 10s team. I would be devastated for the kids if leagues were stopped again.
We did about 3 months of no football with the initial lockdown and all feedback was that the kids were just festering awar on fornite.
Firstly, that's 'not quite what happened is it'. You're going off information that the government is saying happened, and you actually trust this government given what has happened over the last 8 months? The Government states that there were meetings/phone calls that happened, Burnham denies that events the government says happened actually happened. It's tit for tat, completely based on who you believe. And I personally do not trust this government/prime minister and his cronies especially when money is involved.
Secondly, if the government is offering a certain package, what are we saying 60 million was it, and the Mayor is saying 'listen, we need more than that we've done the calculations on our end and this is what we need to save our economy crashing further'. Why, WHY on earth would you fall back to a 22 million package? This is the most ludicrous part. You give them what you can, which was obviously 60 million. Just because the Mayor is saying 'we need more, that's not going to cut it' doesn't mean you turn around and say 'ah well we offered that, you wanted more so we're going to just give you 22 million.' That is just over a third of the 'supposedly' offered amount, which if they offered that...they can afford that? It's disgusting, that's what I call playing with lives over money.
Thirdly, this isn't just Burnham. Every single MP in the Greater Manchester area, Tory including, is in agreement with him. This isn't one man against the government, this is an entire northern area with all of it's MPs saying 'this is what we need to survive economically'.