Even if they didn’t get relegated it would be harsh for a club the size of Burnley prevent a player moving to one of the top clubs.
Sander Berge | Signs for Fulham
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Between 20 and 25 would most likely do it. Wouldn’t pay more than 25 though. Think he’s the profile of player we need and would get the best out of our attacking players. Perfect age aswell.
I don’t think they’ve got any obligation to him or us. If we want him, we need to pay what they want. The fact the championship season starts today is surely going to factor into it too.
Thank you for actually taking the time to go through the stats and evaluate a player's individual qualities and performance. Berge, for example, may have been part of a relegated team, but that doesn't necessarily reflect his abilities or potential contribution to another squad. Assessing how a player fits into a specific team's system, style of play, and needs is crucial, rather than dismissing them based solely on their team's performance. Every player has unique strengths that could be a great fit in the right context.
In response to a different poster, every club out there has a team of analysts working for them who look at stats when assessing potential transfer targets. I really don't see much wrong in using stats to compare different players. Ofcourse, watching them actually play should be the top priority but it should also be backed up by the stats and put into context. That is how they minimise risk on potential signings.
For once it feels like our recruitment team are actually working and came up with a list of different midfielders all with some interesting qualities who would improve our midfield options but some people have already made their mind up that he's shit.
People complain about needing change and moving away from Glazer’s way of doing thing but they’re not ready.
I've followed him closely since he was bossing it for my local club at 17 and there is no way we should be paying 30m or whatever the quoted prices are. Even though he has been the standout player for both Sheffield and Burnley he hasn't really taken the next step since moving to England.
Maybe worth taking a punt if he's under 20m. Anything over that for players in their mid 20s should only ever be spent on nailed starters who will improve the XI.
Yeah, I did end up watching more of that video and kept asking myself why couldn't we have signed that Antony instead of the one we have.
Confidence plays a huge part in that, but also what instructions the player is given, the support they have around them on the pitch. It's a much harder league, less time on the ball, too.
You know what? How about a very low initial fee and heavily incentivsed, fair targets that bump that up quite a considerable amount?
We seem to be bargain basement shopping now, so if this guy is coming regardless, and his club believe in his ability, they should have no issue with the stipulations, right?
That way, even if he isn't up to it, we've spent pennies, and if he is, we're happy to pay the agreed terms.
We'll see.
I think it's worth mentioning that they spent €111.05m last season, with only receiving €3.80m for outgoings. Getting relegated was a pretty big disappointment considering that. Maybe they need at least 1 bigger sale now.
I think we will likely get Berge if there is an opportunity to do a deal for cheap. If Burnley quote some surreal fee for him and won't be willing to budge, we'll probably steer clear.
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This sounds like a smart deal, for us. Not sure Burnley feels the same.
Uhuh, nahh.
Amrabat and Rabiot for half of that combined (including Rabiot's undoubtedly ridiculous signing on fee)
If we're spending over £20m that has to be on someone who can actually improve us and has a resale value.
Yeah, hard to picture us going all the way to 30 million for him.
Surely he must have a relegation clause in his contract.
The Daily Mirror, you know...
That’s too much money for him.
On to the next one.
No chance we'll pay £30m. I'm sure he and his agent will frustrate Burnley into selling for lower.
This is the main concern
Good. You hold on to that price, Burnley!
Why is every player we’re interested in so expensive? Where’s the cheap deals
We have spent plenty of it whilst Shaw has been an injury concern, so thats not the problem
Ugarte and Berge are of a similar type. Who else is there? Fofana and Rabiot who are 6/8 hybrid types? We obviously want some defensive security/energy in the midfield.
Alright Ashworth. Let's look at the next name on the list shall we?
The United multiplier is real.Why is every player we’re interested in so expensive? Where’s the cheap deals
That's a silly price.
This is key, if he can do better than Casemiro for a season then it buys us time to scout, lure and sign a proper replacement. We also get to see whether Gore/Collyer can grow into proper first team players for us. If he can hold fort whilst any of the two happens in the background then he'd have served his purpose.
When you look at some other prices paid this summer, £30m for a Burnley level player is about right. I think he's bang average and doesn't belong at this level, but if you're Burnley then you are easily charging minimum £30m for a player if we're interested. If we think he's good enough for us, then that's about the minimum we'd be paying for a PL midfielder.
Why is every player we’re interested in so expensive? Where’s the cheap deals
Clubs see its United and add an extra 10-15m on to the price.
£30m is absurd what are you on
Look at prices for players like Wieffer from Feyenoord, Minteh from Newcastle. Burnley are going to want around £30m for a midfielder if we want him.
Rabiot has not played as a 6 for some time.
Zubimendi does not provide defensive security and energy, I wouldn't say Fofana does either (defensive security)
So thats Rabiot and Fofana, who are different from Ugarte and Berge (Im not going to argue this one) who are then different from Zubimendi. Then there is Ederson
How on earth can they value him at 30m? They picked him up in the exact same situation for £12m. Trying to treble your investment is greedy as feck.
Maybe he played very well for them?
Maybe its late in the window and they need to replace him?
Maybe they see us coming?
They paid him 12 last season I'd expect they at least want 24 for their troubles.
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