Sancho won’t return to Man Utd until he's ready - Way too much inappropriate speculation.

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Quite concerning news but at least he's getting the support he needs. I'd like to hope it's more of a physical/confidence thing rather than him struggling with his mental health but can't rule it out.

Hopefully he comes out of it at physically well and more importantly physically well.

Rashford has spoken about how he was struggling mentally last year and admitted he probably wasn't in the right place to be playing and naturally these things will impact performances. Better to try and deal with whatever the issues are rather play through it I suppose.
 
Hang on. What is a total crisis of confidence if it isn't a mental health issue?

It’s about football, FFS.

That’s evidence for him not having mental health issues? Are you sure you have a psychology degree?

There are a whole host of reasons why someone might or might not make it at Manchester United from a mentality perspective which have absolutely nothing to do with any sort of disorder. And that is all the manager mentioned… mentality. Like say, complacency. Do you know this word ? Since we’re being arsey and all… And again, this is the same player whose work ethic was questioned by Pep and has shown extremely poor levels of fitness. If that doesn’t sound soft I don’t know what does. Which really sucks, as I love the type of player Sancho is and think he has the quality to be a star.
 
His work ethic has already been questioned by Pep. That is evidence. It is also an issue of players making the big bucks younger and younger these days. It can go either way. Some players like Mbappe and Haaland have a singular focus while others aren’t willing to put in the work or don’t have the mentality for it or both.
A bit of a myth that. If you read his comments they were just that he decided to leave City rather than stay and fight for a place in a team tougher to break into (at City)
 
No idea what's going on with him so I won't speculate. I just hope he's able to resolve whatever issues are holding him back from realising his full potential. If we can get the Sancho we seen playing for Dortmund he'll be a fantastic asset to the team
 
Some really odd dick swinging going on in here. Arguing over something you have no evidence or basis of argument.

All we know is he's at fitness camp and seeing a sports psychologist, that's a good thing but it doesn't mean mental health issue, mentality != mental health issue. Plenty of players do both of these things quite often. If Januzaj and Macheda had such support they might have turned out differently as they openly admit they mentally didn't commit.

Widly speculating that someone might be ill doesn't really seem fair.
 
It’s about football, FFS.



There are a whole host of reasons why someone might or might not make it at Manchester United from a mentality perspective which have absolutely nothing to do with any sort of disorder. And that is all the manager mentioned… mentality. Like say, complacency. Do you know this word ? Since we’re being arsey and all… And again, this is the same player whose work ethic was questioned by Pep and has shown extremely poor levels of fitness. If that doesn’t sound soft I don’t know what does. Which really sucks, as I love the type of player Sancho is.

I know that having a poor work ethic does not equal does not have mental health issues just like it doesn’t mean he does have mental health issues. I haven’t said either way that he does or does not. You’re attacking people for saying they’re speculating he does and giving it the big one with your psychology degree while doing the exact same the other way and calling him a soft feck when you have no clue yourself.

As someone who suffers from mental health I can tell you I’ve had a poor work ethic because of my mental health issues and there are times I’ve had a poor work ethic for no other reason than my poor attitude. It can be both. We don’t know either way and you’re making yourself look daft.
 
I know that having a poor work ethic does not equal does not have mental health issues just like it doesn’t mean he does have mental health issues. I haven’t said either way that he does or does not. You’re attacking people for saying they’re speculating he does and giving it the big one with your psychology degree while doing the exact same the other way and calling him a soft feck when you have no clue yourself.

As someone who suffers from mental health I can tell you I’ve had a poor work ethic because of my mental health issues and there are times I’ve had a poor work ethic for no other reason than my poor attitude. It can be both. We don’t know either way and you’re making yourself look daft.

That is a really odd interpretation of what has been posted in this thread the past couple of pages. It seems like pretty much everyone else including you have been giving the big one in a contrived effort to appear politically correct. I assume many here have a degree. It was relevant to the conversation that mine is in Psychology. That wasn’t a brag, FFS. I am sorry to hear about your struggles though and wish you the best with them.

Some really odd dick swinging going on in here. Arguing over something you have no evidence or basis of argument.

All we know is he's at fitness camp and seeing a sports psychologist, that's a good thing but it doesn't mean mental health issue, mentality != mental health issue. Plenty of players do both of these things quite often. If Januzaj and Macheda had such support they might have turned out differently as they openly admit they mentally didn't commit.

Widly speculating that someone might be ill doesn't really seem fair.

Odd dick swinging indeed. I’ve had my fill now.
 
Some really odd dick swinging going on in here. Arguing over something you have no evidence or basis of argument.

All we know is he's at fitness camp and seeing a sports psychologist, that's a good thing but it doesn't mean mental health issue, mentality != mental health issue. Plenty of players do both of these things quite often. If Januzaj and Macheda had such support they might have turned out differently as they openly admit they mentally didn't commit.

Widly speculating that someone might be ill doesn't really seem fair.

That works both ways though.

Those coming down hard on him without knowing the specifics are worse tbh.

Id rather wait to see what happens and trust in what the boss and the club are doing. Supporting the player.
 
I’m glad he’s getting the support he needs. He can be a difference maker when he’s at it. Health over football always.

Only thing I’d say is it wise to broadcast he’s suffering mentally? Could that have an adverse affect on him?

I think If you have to treat your mental health as a secret then it just breeds shame, making the issues worse.

Probably goes doubly in Sancho's case, whereby absolutely everything he does is under a microscope. I mean he trained with an amateur club and didn't engage with social media for a bit and that was enough to cause a furore.

Imagine having to hide a major factor in your life when even the little ones end up getting found out and cause such a stir.
 
I think If you have to treat your mental health as a secret then it just breeds shame, making the issues worse.

Probably goes doubly in Sancho's case, whereby absolutely everything he does is under a microscope. I mean he trained with an amateur club and didn't engage with social media for a bit and that was enough to cause a furore.

Imagine having to hide a major factor in your life when even the little ones end up getting found out and cause such a stir.
Yeah that makes sense and like another poster said the club would’ve announced it with him knowing.
 
Hopefully, he comes back better mentally and physically. Regarding United, we really have some bad luck with our forwards.
 
I've edited the title; needlessly sensationalist quote. Who the feck is Chris Wheeler anyway?
 
I hope the lad will be fine and bounce back. I have faith in how it's being handled. The issue is recognised and being worked on and he's protected and taken off the public eye. He's not just languishing on the bench with speculation on him mounting. Fingers crossed it will work out for him... and us.
 
not related to jadon specifically but more so the mental health discussion taking place here. read a really interesting article in the current sports illustrated issue about a family who lost their child, who was a college athlete, to suicide. they have no started a foundation could Hilinski's hope which they are using to advocate for the mental health of college students. Through the foundation they are aiming to educate, advocate, and eliminate the stigma associated with mental illness and are trying to encourage colleges to recognise that mental health is interlinked with athletic performance.

i think the idea that performance and mental health are linked is a very valid one and is hopefully something that sporting organisations (and fans) will come to better recognise and accept in time
 
If the lad is struggling with mental health then I hope he is getting the support he needs.

That said (and I might get shit for this) the very fact that mental health struggles are real and important (to the same degree as physical health) means that some players will never make it at the very top level. Some players are talented but can't stay fit no matter how hard they try eg. Phil Jones. Some players are talented and physically well but struggle mentality-wise to cope at the top level, no matter how hard they work at it.

That is fine and is nothing to be ashamed of, but we need to do better as a club at focusing on signings who the right profile mentally as well as physically - for the players sake as much as ours. Otherwise you're coercing young players into situations where they mentally can't cope by thrusting ridiculous contracts at them which they will never turn down.

It's a bind for the club but it's a dilemma for Sancho if he's really struggling with life at United, as walking away from £350k a week guaranteed until 2027 is an impossible to decision to make even if it means putting your mental health and career at risk.
 
I have no idea what is going on behind the scenes so won't try to speculate or come up with a prognosis by reading between the lines of EtH's statement.

However, I've always thought watching his performances over the last season and a few matches this season, the Premiership is possibly too physical/intimidating for the lad. It's perhaps not the right league for his talents and he likely needs a change of scenery.
 
You could see from Sancho's stature and confidence that he was struggling with something mental.

Then it must have been hard, seeing all his friends who he is just as - if not more - talented, doing so well for England.

The guy is a sensationally talented footballer. But you need more than that to succeed in today's game. Let's hope he gets the support he needs to start believing in himself again.
 
If you're having trouble with mental health, then top level football is not the ideal job for you really. Worse still if you play for Manchester United.

You're going to get criticised nearly every week and there needs to be a certain minimum ability to handle that. I hope he gets the right support.
 
We've technically bought a bust if the mental health issues are to be believed.


From experience people with proper mental health problems, never really are right no matter what help they seek, it's a lifetime of healing and relapsing.


Real shame he all the talent in the world.

Let's hope it's not too serious
Only last year a sportsman at the elite level, known for his unbelievable mental strength (which had previously led to him winning his country numerous matches almost single handedly, including a World Cup final) took 6 months out for mental health reasons.

Since returning this sportsman has been named captain for his country, leading them to a reversal of form that had seen them win 1 in 17 games to having under him winning 8 in 9. Oh, and he also played the pivotal part in his country winning another World Cup.

He should have been booted though because clearly “a bust”
 
If you're having trouble with mental health, then top level football is not the ideal job for you really. Worse still if you play for Manchester United.
Yes, it doesn't help in the least. That is if he is suffering from mental health.
 
If you're having trouble with mental health, then top level football is not the ideal job for you really. Worse still if you play for Manchester United.

You're going to get criticised nearly every week and there needs to be a certain minimum ability to handle that. I hope he gets the right support.
It's not exactly unknown for people at the top of their particular sports to have MH issues, somehow I doubt Football would be any different. Perhaps one of the differences might be that in the past it's been discussed less, football players and clubs reluctant to admit issues due to fans thinking them soft as feck.
 
Only last year a sportsman at the elite level, known for his unbelievable mental strength (which had previously led to him winning his country numerous matches almost single handedly, including a World Cup final) took 6 months out for mental health reasons.

Since returning this sportsman has been named captain for his country, leading them to a reversal of form that had seen them win 1 in 17 games to having under him winning 8 in 9. Oh, and he also played the pivotal part in his country winning another World Cup.

He should have been booted though because clearly “a bust”
Who is he?
 
Missing out on the world cup squad must've really hurt him. At least he didn't miss out on a wc win, that would've been absolutely horrible for his mental status.
 
If we look at Sancho’s career, he went from City’s reserves to Germany’s second best team and completely avoided all the UK media for the best part.

For the first time ever, not only is he having expectations placed on him physically, and mentally but also high level scrutiny. Then couple that with missing out on the WC also.

This is where you find out what you’re made of and if you can be an elite player, or whether or not you’re going to be another *Depay and fade away.

It sounds like he’s getting the support he needs and I really hope he turns it around for his sake and United’s sake.
 
I don’t think there’s anything dramatic here, probably struggling from being teh star boy at Dortmund to just another player at United.

He needs to put his head down and focus on the basics he’s a quality player and I’m sure with time and patience he’ll show what he can do.

Its dramatic in the sense that I cant think of a comparable situation in recent years where a star player has been sent away from the club to do a personal program not relating to physical recovery. He isnt even at Carrington, so the problem would indicate that the clubs location and staff is not the right place for him to be. That in itself is dramatic enough.
 
If we look at Sancho’s career, he went from City’s reserves to Germany’s second best team and completely avoided all the UK media for the best part.

For the first time ever, not only is he having expectations placed on him physically, and mentally but also high level scrutiny. Then couple that with missing out on the WC also.

This is where you find out what you’re made of and if you can be an elite player, or whether or not you’re going to be another *Depay and fade away.

It sounds like he’s getting the support he needs and I really hope he turns it around for his sake and United’s sake.
Harsh on Depay I think. I think he's had a good career given his ability to be honest. Some may see him differently but I don't think Depay has ever been an elite level talent. Things could have gone better for him at United but I don't consider him as a player that didn't get near to his potential.
 
You should see our fans.

Fans have nothing to do with this. They are basically customers, some with mental problems themselves, pay top money to jerks to be entertained. If these people aren't productive then they'll end up jobless.

My point isn't really about Sancho as a person. I wish him a quick recovery and tbh players contracts are written in a way that there's not much we can do but to keep paying him silly money and wait. My argument is towards the club. You see, there had always been players who were mentally weak. Taibi is a classic example. The guy was the living embodiment of Spurs. He was an absolute phenomenon at lower team levels but would bottle it at top levels. Prior to coming to us he bottled it at AC Milan which is why I never wanted him at United. You might think that weak character = poor talent but its not always the case. Some of these players were actually top quality players themselves. Roberto Baggio for example made Cantona look like Philip Neville and yet his weak character made him unsuitable at top level clubs. The guy was unstoppable at small club level were the pressure was low and everyone adored him like he was Christ on earth but once stress kicked in so did his paranoia which often pushed him to self destruct. In fact once the guy retired he left football for good and is now living as a farmer.

Well run clubs are supposed to scout beyond talent. They analyse the player's character and attitude to see if the guy in question can actual handle the stress at top level football. The same happens in house. Clubs tend to keep close tabs at their young talent. For example Giggs once said that whenever he organized a party behind the club's back, the first person who would show up at that party would be an angry Sir Alex Ferguson. Meanwhile rotten apples would be quickly shown the door with little funfare (ex Keith Gillespie or Bojan Djordic). United had stopped doing that from a long long time. We sign players on silly money/salary which is crazy enough in normal circumstances but becomes absolutely moronic when the players concerned lack the mental attributes (and sometimes even the talent) to succeed. This mismanagement is often felt at youth level as well. We let kids do pretty much what they want which is why we failed to benefit from the best 3 players coming out of the youth academy in the past decade or so (Ravel, Mason and Pogba)
 
Poor guy, who knows whats happening with him but doesnt so good. Hopefully he'll recover and come back stronger.
 
Harsh on Depay I think. I think he's had a good career given his ability to be honest. Some may see him differently but I don't think Depay has ever been an elite level talent. Things could have gone better for him at United but I don't consider him as a player that didn't get near to his potential.
That’s why I gave the asterisk, you can swap him out with any player that didn’t quite have what it takes to play at this level.

I’m not talking about talent either, I’m talking about the right minerals to be able to handle the scrutiny and pressure. Some people just can’t do it, most in fact.
 
Fans have nothing to do with this. They are basically customers, some with mental problems themselves, pay top money to jerks to be entertained. If these people aren't productive then they'll end up jobless.

My point isn't really about Sancho as a person. I wish him a quick recovery and tbh players contracts are written in a way that there's not much we can do but to keep paying him silly money and wait. My argument is towards the club. You see, there had always been players who were mentally weak. Taibi is a classic example. The guy was the living embodiment of Spurs. He was an absolute phenomenon at lower team levels but would bottle it at top levels. Prior to coming to us he bottled it at AC Milan which is why I never wanted him at United. You might think that weak character = poor talent but its not always the case. Some of these players were actually top quality players themselves. Roberto Baggio for example made Cantona look like Philip Neville and yet his weak character made him unsuitable at top level clubs. The guy was unstoppable at small club level were the pressure was low and everyone adored him like he was Christ on earth but once stress kicked in so did his paranoia which often pushed him to self destruct. In fact once the guy retired he left football for good and is now living as a farmer.

Well run clubs are supposed to scout beyond talent. They analyse the player's character and attitude to see if the guy in question can actual handle the stress at top level football. The same happens in house. Clubs tend to keep close tabs at their young talent. For example Giggs once said that whenever he organized a party behind the club's back, the first person who would show up at that party would be an angry Sir Alex Ferguson. Meanwhile rotten apples would be quickly shown the door with little funfare (ex Keith Gillespie or Bojan Djordic). United had stopped doing that from a long long time. We sign players on silly money/salary which is crazy enough in normal circumstances but becomes absolutely moronic when the players concerned lack the mental attributes (and sometimes even the talent) to succeed. This mismanagement is often felt at youth level as well. We let kids do pretty much what they want which is why we failed to benefit from the best 3 players coming out of the youth academy in the past decade or so (Ravel, Mason and Pogba)
So you're saying the club should have known in advance Sancho will have mental problems?
Of all the things to criticize the club for this isnt one of them.
 
So you're saying the club should have known in advance Sancho will have mental problems?
Of all the things to criticize the club for this isnt one of them.
Don’t clubs like United regularly do background and character checks? They usually speak to everyone who knows the player to get a good overview of character.
 
Based on pure speculation. Many were saying Rashford was dealing with similar last season based on sweet eff all as well. And he ended up coming out a month or two back and basically saying he wasn’t in the right frame of mind to succeed then.

It comes down to coping and doing your bloody job like everyone else on the planet has to. And that’s assuming he is dealing with depression or summat which is still unconfirmed.

Kids these days. Soft as feck.
One of if not the worst post in this thread.

You can throw your degree in the bin mate.
 
Don’t clubs like United regularly do background and character checks? They usually speak to everyone who knows the player to get a good overview of character.
Yes, but character background check and mental issues isnt the same thing.
 
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