Sancho won’t return to Man Utd until he's ready - Way too much inappropriate speculation.

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Funny how little sympathy James had here when he got his move after his father died, yet Sancho is on 7x the wages and cost 5x more.

If he has actually got mental health problems then I feel for him on a personal level, but we really need to properly vet these guys before dropping huge fees and wages for them.
 
What mental health issues? For all we know this is just poor mentality not bad mental health.
With him going off social media, the club and coach seemingly supporting him, it is far more likely it is the former.
 
Funny how little sympathy James had here when he got his move after his father died, yet Sancho is on 7x the wages and cost 5x more.

If he has actually got mental health problems then I feel for him on a personal level, but we really need to properly vet these guys before dropping huge fees and wages for them.
Obviously his mental health issues could have started at the club. Can’t predict what’s gonna happen in the future… playing for a big club like us is massive to some players. We don’t know what’s happening in his life…
 
Ronaldo, Jones, Greenwood, Sancho....we're slowly becoming a nursing home for the old, the crippled, the mentally weak and.....more. Are players properly scouted before signed/given new contracts?
 
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Funny how little sympathy James had here when he got his move after his father died, yet Sancho is on 7x the wages and cost 5x more.

If he has actually got mental health problems then I feel for him on a personal level, but we really need to properly vet these guys before dropping huge fees and wages for them.
You never really know how one will react to the loss of a family member until it happens. Money has nothing to do with it.
 
With him going off social media, the club and coach seemingly supporting him, it is far more likely it is the former.

I think it's pretty obvious. Theres a ridiculous idea that earning money or being famous absolves one from mental health issues. Gary Neville opened up about this with him seeing a psychologist in the background and Jamie Carragher doing the same in their playing careers.

Gary played in an era of one of the most successful teams England has seen at domestic level he would seemingly have no reason to get help. The reality is we as spectators watch 90 mins of these individuals running around on patches of grass and somehow assume that within that time spent we can understand, rationalise and think on the said players behalf. The reality is fans don't know these players in any way, shape or form.
 
Pretty sure SAF sent Schmeichel away for a holiday around the Christmas fixtures - it may have even been during the Treble season. This seems like it may be a bit of a longer term thing though.

It seems like proactive management of the issue by both the player himself and the club which is commendable.

Yes, he did and it was the 98-99 season. I believe the reason was for him to recover physically. But then of course, mental issues back then were not openly discussed (nor accepted).
 
SAF had players on leave constantly during the season.

yep. people conveniently forget that beckham had 4 months of the 2001/02 season off so he could cover for mel b on a spice girls world tour. his performance was so good people said he almost didn’t need to black up.
 
Some serious lack of empathy and emotional intelligence by a few posters. Thank God our manager has both and is renowned for looking after his players and being well sought after and respected by them. Especially the younger ones.
 
The pressure and scrutiny at the top level must be unbearable high. Finally more are talking about their mental states.
 
I generally like Ten Haag’s Dutch bluntness but maybe he could have been a bit more discrete? I wonder how Sancho feels about that level of detail reaching the press?
I think fans will be more supportive of players going through a rough patch if they understand more about what's going on. We tend to be harsh on players and we easily doubt their professionalism, but this helps us be more supportive. I also don't think it was a secret that he's going through some rough time.
 
With Rashford, Antony, Elanga and now Garnacho this is fortunately one of the few positions where we have some depth.

He seemed to be finding some good form early in the season but has once again tailed off. He really seems to struggle with the physical demands of the league. Looks slow and weak against pretty much every full back he comes up against, despite having great dribbling ability.

Hopefully he can bulk up a bit on this individual program and get something back. Missing the World Cup probably hit him hard and he clearly loses his confidence quite quickly.
 
Some serious lack of empathy and emotional intelligence by a few posters. Thank God our manager has both and is renowned for looking after his players and being well sought after and respected by them. Especially the younger ones.

This. I'm so glad ETH is saying exactly as much is needed at this point, enough to make sure he doesn't get criticized more but also not giving any room to misinterpret this as he's not happy with Sancho. Silence is a double edged sword in this situation.

As someone who has clinical depression as a genetic trait in the family, I hope some of the posters here get better equipped to assist those with mental health issues should their friends or loved ones call upon them. Particularly the ones trying to draw a line to how much Sancho costs and the money he makes. Stop judging the worthiness of their life problems, start absorbing what they're feeling about their problems, because the biggest threat here is that they're struggling to leave their own heads.
 
It could be mental health. I admit that after seeing the wording in the recent update.

But it could also be a loss in confidence and they are working his mechanics or endurance or competitive mentality to fight his way back in.

None of us know. So acting like you know he is in some crisis is ridiculous. Let the guy train, the truth will come out at some point.
 
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Some serious lack of empathy and emotional intelligence by a few posters. Thank God our manager has both and is renowned for looking after his players and being well sought after and respected by them. Especially the younger ones.

Based on pure speculation. Many were saying Rashford was dealing with similar last season based on sweet eff all as well. And he ended up coming out a month or two back and basically saying he wasn’t in the right frame of mind to succeed then.

It comes down to coping and doing your bloody job like everyone else on the planet has to. And that’s assuming he is dealing with depression or summat which is still unconfirmed.

Kids these days. Soft as feck.
 
Based on pure speculation. Many were saying Rashford was dealing with similar last season based on sweet eff all as well. And he ended up coming out a month or two back and basically saying he wasn’t in the right frame of mind to succeed then.

It comes down to coping and doing your bloody job like everyone else on the planet has to. And that’s assuming he is dealing with depression or summat which is still unconfirmed.

Kids these days. Soft as feck.

Erm Rashford openly confirmed he was suffering with his MH post WHU game.

Genuinely think you don’t know much about the topic given your posting and attitude towards it.
 
This. I'm so glad ETH is saying exactly as much is needed at this point, enough to make sure he doesn't get criticized more but also not giving any room to misinterpret this as he's not happy with Sancho. Silence is a double edged sword in this situation.

As someone who has clinical depression as a genetic trait in the family, I hope some of the posters here get better equipped to assist those with mental health issues should their friends or loved ones call upon them. Particularly the ones trying to draw a line to how much Sancho costs and the money he makes. Stop judging the worthiness of their life problems, start absorbing what they're feeling about their problems, because the biggest threat here is that they're struggling to leave their own heads.

Good post mate
 
Based on pure speculation. Many were saying Rashford was dealing with similar last season based on sweet eff all as well. And he ended up coming out a month or two back and basically saying he wasn’t in the right frame of mind to succeed then.

It comes down to coping and doing your bloody job like everyone else on the planet has to. And that’s assuming he is dealing with depression or summat which is still unconfirmed.

Kids these days. Soft as feck.
Another one that thinks his generation had it tougher.
 
Erm Rashford openly confirmed he was suffering with his MH post WHU game.

Genuinely think you don’t know much about the topic given your posting and attitude towards it.

My degree is in Psychology.
 
I generally like Ten Haag’s Dutch bluntness but maybe he could have been a bit more discrete? I wonder how Sancho feels about that level of detail reaching the press?

My thinking too. I dont know if it’s a case of washing his hands if Sancho doesn’t perform or if it’s just him being transparent.

In the dutch league the habbits of just coming out and announcing something like this doesnt have the same impact as in england where the media can go on frenzies against a player. Not sure these news benefits the player.
 
You never really know how one will react to the loss of a family member until it happens. Money has nothing to do with it.

Very true, both in sports and everyday life. A lot of sportsmen even use it as a motivation, I remember when Brett Favre’s dad died, he played like he was from another planet. James also played well in his first games but found his natural level.

Some just lose their good guidance in life (Kanye a good example). You just never know what’ll happen and how a person reacts to stuff like that.
 
100% agree.

We don’t know what is going on. In general it’s feels shameful to admit that you have issues, because it feels like it will lead to speculations about what it is. But what we do know is that more and more athletes get burnouts, anxiety attacks and stuff like that. Like anything else would be strange. Buffon was one of the first to acknowledge it. He missed several months in like 08/09.


When the body really protests as much as it can — which usually happens to the most stubborn people, who haven’t listened to the signals for a long time — you can’t just fight through it. I am 100% convinced that the best way is to acknowledge that there is an issue and just deal with it. Which Jadon has done here.

For such a long time, these type of things have been disguised. It’s common to hear experts claim stuff like “100 years ago, burnouts didn’t exist”. Of course they did. When you read about WWI and II, every other General had it. Churchill describes several incidents in his memoirs, like some general that had been a great warrior and had done a great job whom WC really admired asked to be relieved, he was asked to continue for another week, far away from the front lines and in an area that had cooled down a little bit for the moment, but he couldn’t do it. After like 3 days he had to give up. WC met him and claimed something like ‘he was in a sorry state, but no shadow should fall on him’.

100% it’s always been very common in sports among young and old, but called something else.

If Jadon can get back this season, great. If not, that is great to. It will take the time it takes. When he gets back, he will be a stronger person.

You framed it perfectly, as did Buffon. Iniesta has spoken about it too. Empathic characters. I know first hand how this issue might manifest. I firmly believe it can be solved by giving Sancho joy, love, responsibility and purpose. That might however be more than ten Hag is ready to invest seeing as he has bigger issues to handle.

Everyone reacts differently, but isn’t it all linked together? Often it is at least.

Not saying that there aren’t exception, but as a rule, being a perfect citizen, working hard, doing the right thing, that is really easy, fun, gives you joy and so forth — when things are going well and you are in a good spot. When you are not, everything is hard.

There are so many examples of people not doing the right things. How many of them had issues?

The only way to correct that is by dealing with the underlying issues. We all know that Sancho is a smart, humble and really responsible kid. I can’t for the life of me doubt that he doesn’t “care” enough. When we get signs of him not playing with the right intensity, not being in the best shape — it’s very close at hand to come to the conclusion that there are underlying issues.
Once again, correct. If it is what we all suspect then part of the issue is perfectionist traits that might stem from childhood. His self confidence might be shot now but that is not the main issue. It's primarily self esteem. See there is a difference where one can at the same time be self confident but having low self esteem. By tying your self worth to closely to being responsible, diligent and high performing you might fall low when you are not able to reach those standards. It becomes an identity crisis, who am I as a person and what is my self worth if I can't be the star that everybody expects of me?
I asked whether people found it extremely strange that Sancho wasn't linking up with the squad in spain when it was first announced a few weeks ago considering he missed the WC and some poo-pooed this away.

Now proving to be a real issue as many of us agreed it looked to be.







This is refreshingly honest from ETH, but also very damning on our Marque signing.

He had pre-season with us, he has been playing games. Now according to our manager in his own words he is "not fit enough or in the right mental status" and "can't give a prognosis of when he will return". Rashford and Saka btw both had international issues before but they have bounced back since then.

Fair enough if some want to downplay the severity of this current situation by putting positive spin on it, and fairplay to Luckhurst and ETH who are dovetailing quite well in softening the impact of this revelation, but can anyone else recall a situation developing like this where a player has been dropped from a squad mid-season, potentially going to miss one or more significant fixtures for our season, with no return date, to work on his fitness and mentality?

Best case scenario it might work out as a masterstroke and he might come back ripped and able to sprint high intensity at his fullback whilst contributing to wins every week, I will celebrate as I love Sancho & his playstyle but like I said in the "sancho needs our support thread", feel like the writing could be on the wall for him and this does not bode well for our £73M man at all. I hope it's not the case but just looking at what's infront of our eyes here.

Not to mention he is on £300k/week and Rashfords' renewal will probably be using that as the yard stick for his new deal. I hope he turns it around and lives up to his status he had before he came here, it's great handling from ETH to call Sancho out and design a path back to the top for him but it is worrying we are at this crossroad in the first place.

I believe this is bad man management to be honest. There is very much still a stigma tied to this kind of issues. In a time where he needs support he instead is pressured in public. Sebastian Deisler is the only example I can think of. German wonderkid early 2000's. Seen as the best German apart from Ballack and was expected to carry Bayern and NT. He retired 27 years old. Although there has never been anything official I believe Götze suffered of the same, officially it was claimed "stomach bug".
Yes, he did and it was the 98-99 season. I believe the reason was for him to recover physically. But then of course, mental issues back then were not openly discussed (nor accepted).
This is very common I would suspect. Officially framed as a niggling physical injury when the reality is different. Sometimes it could also be psychosomatic. Psychological conditions that manifest as physical symptoms. Often the patients fight the psycho (mental) tag and only want the somatic (physical). Long covid being one such case. My previous boss, 42 years old, fit as a fiddle, used to get severe back pains out of the blue. He would claim it was due to training to hard but it was obvious being the boss of 700 employees was the root cause, stress in other words.
 
Just reads to me that he's not fit enough and not showing the required attitude to play at the level ETH is demanding, so he's been removed from the group. If there's 2 things he's been banging everyone over the head with since he arrived it's been fit and playing with intensity. Let's be honest neither of these traits could be attritubed to Sancho (and I think he's a very talented player btw)

It's curious ETH mentioned England's WC squad and how Sancho was good at the start of the season but not so much now. Maybe Jadon is pissed he didn't go to Qatar and blames the manager for not picking him more. ETHs response is you've not deserved to start for us and England have a lot of good players

That's my pop-psych take anyway. Who knows, could be any number of things
 
Based on pure speculation. Many were saying Rashford was dealing with similar last season based on sweet eff all as well. And he ended up coming out a month or two back and basically saying he wasn’t in the right frame of mind to succeed then.

It comes down to coping and doing your bloody job like everyone else on the planet has to. And that’s assuming he is dealing with depression or summat which is still unconfirmed.

Kids these days. Soft as feck.
My degree is in Psychology.
Is "soft as feck" your clinical diagnosis then?

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I’ve seen enough of ETH’s post to doubt he’s even old enough to hold a degree, and one thing is certain from his posting, he certainly doesn’t have that degree. He’s probably in the tall thread too telling everyone he’s 6ft 5 and in the beauty thread telling us he looks like Henry Cavill.
 
When he uses the word mentally he means mentality towards playing. I don’t think he’s suffering a mental breakdown or anything like that. He’s working with coaches at OJC Rosmalen to get the basics right, he has the skill and flair and next level ability but it’s the basics both physically and mentally that need reaffirming. Get those right consistently then build on that and we’ll have the real Sancho.
 
Another one that thinks his generation had it tougher.

Not at all. But the social initiatives and political correctness of the day does lend many to think it’s OK to be where they are rather than dealing with where they are.

Is "soft as feck" your clinical diagnosis then?

There is no diagnosis. It’s all pure speculation at this point. In terms of fitness and attitude this has been an issue since his City days. And I rather doubt you’ll find sulking in the DSM-5.

They give degrees out for fun these days. Not sure what that proves tbh.

You also don’t need emotional intelligence to get one..

Not trying to prove anything. And having a tender heart isn’t the measure of emotional intelligence.
 
Sounds like Ten Hag throwing Sancho a lifeline, which he either grasps with all his might or gets jettisoned in the summer. Good approach.
 
This is probably far more common than we realise, logically the mental strain must be huge. I'm glad the club is supporting the lad and allowing him time to recover. The amount of players who probably just have to push through these periods of time. In truth, look at Rashford last season, he'd admitted he wasn't right.
 
With him going off social media, the club and coach seemingly supporting him, it is far more likely it is the former.

Likely maybe, but far from confirmed. We shouldnt speculate on his bad mental health either. It could just be him not being up for the challenge at this level
 
First I hope for the lad its not too serious and he can come back in a better frame of mind, but I wonder if this is the end of him at Utd and he gets sold in the summer? He hasnt the pace to burn that TH likes from his wide players.
 
Hopefully he can get things sorted with the club and come back better than before. Fully support the club giving him the time if that is what deemed best for the situation.
 
Not at all. But the social initiatives and political correctness of the day does lend many to think it’s OK to be where they are rather than dealing with where they are.



There is no diagnosis. It’s all pure speculation at this point. In terms of fitness and attitude this has been an issue since his City days. And I rather doubt you’ll find sulking in the DSM-5.



Not trying to prove anything. And having a tender heart isn’t the measure of emotional intelligence.

No one suggested having a tender heart is what emotional intelligence is?

If you do actually hold a degree I’d expect you to know that.
 
Funny how little sympathy James had here when he got his move after his father died, yet Sancho is on 7x the wages and cost 5x more.

If he has actually got mental health problems then I feel for him on a personal level, but we really need to properly vet these guys before dropping huge fees and wages for them.

It’s touching that you want to give a shout out James after all this time, your empathy is noted. I too felt sympathy for him back then. You can’t really ‘vet’ yourself away from how the human
What mental health issues? For all we know this is just poor mentality not bad mental health.

For all we know, which is not much, right? Particularily as there are so divergent interpretetations of what little we know. I think people are maybe to quick to empathize or to condemn, but I guess it’s less bad empathising prematurely than condemning or derising too early?
Ronaldo, Jones, Greenwood, Sancho....we're slowly becoming a nursing home for the old, the crippled, the mentally weak and.....more. Are players properly scouted before signed/given new contracts?

You should see our fans.
 
Sounds like Ten Hag throwing Sancho a lifeline, which he either grasps with all his might or gets jettisoned in the summer. Good approach.

This seems far more likely than the mental health issue everyone is running with. Looks like he is all but folding at the prospect of a challenge he feels he isn’t up to. He had it easy at Dortmund in the Bundesliga and looks to be struggling with fitness and the general physicality of the Prem. The former can be traced back to attitude issues which have been mooted since his City days and a player who doesn’t have it in him to push himself when the going gets tough. I hope he sorts it out, but it is extremely ominous at the moment.
 
Funny how little sympathy James had here when he got his move after his father died, yet Sancho is on 7x the wages and cost 5x more.

If he has actually got mental health problems then I feel for him on a personal level, but we really need to properly vet these guys before dropping huge fees and wages for them.

What abuse did James get? I don’t recall any. I wasn’t on here so much at the time admittedly, but in the real world he got plenty of sympathy and understanding.

Also not a clue what you mean by bringing money into it and talking about “needing to properly vet” players.
Based on pure speculation. Many were saying Rashford was dealing with similar last season based on sweet eff all as well. And he ended up coming out a month or two back and basically saying he wasn’t in the right frame of mind to succeed then.

It comes down to coping and doing your bloody job like everyone else on the planet has to. And that’s assuming he is dealing with depression or summat which is still unconfirmed.

Kids these days. Soft as feck.
Posters these days, thick as feck going off this piece of evidence
 
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