Sancho won’t return to Man Utd until he's ready - Way too much inappropriate speculation.
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I just deleted as i can see others have questioned this. The Athletic make shit up as well as every other rag. The only thingbis there are more links that say 350k than there are that say less
Who put a battery in your back this evening have you had a tipple?I know you don't really think putting 20/21 year olds on 275K/325k Per week contracts in any case is good practise for the club. Not something that needs arguing the toss about.
You seem to just be on the wind up though in this thread it seems at this point, which I didn't expect from you, so rather than indulge further i'll leave you to whatever it is you feel you are achieving with your contrarianism.
Bobbins.
I rember seeing the word somewhere, I thought I read it here, may have read it on twitter, or on some random news page. Then I made a tounge in cheek off hand comment, nothing more.
On a more serious note it is an unusual and strange situation. I only hope he comes back fully fit and mentally prepared for playing football. His talent is unbelievable. I am still of the opinion that if he is given the right support on and off the pitch he will be a sensational player for us. However, I imagine going from the biggest talent in Germany to struggling to find your feeet and being snubbed for the WC squad can be difficult to deal with - how that has impacted him I have no idea.
I know you don't really think putting 20/21 year olds on 275K/325k Per week contracts in any case is good practise for the club. Not something that needs arguing the toss about.
You seem to just be on the wind up though in this thread it seems at this point, which I didn't expect from you, so rather than indulge further i'll leave you to whatever it is you feel you are achieving with your contrarianism.
Bobbins.
Huh?
You simply said in a matter of fact way no one else was interested in Sancho when United signed him. I corrected you and said that was not true.
I don’t like seeing excessive wages being dished out no but then we aren’t the only club to do it. Fortunately it seems to be being addressed now as we attempt to restore some balance.
Not sure why you’re getting worked up pal.
Because you are saying it as an obvious fact. Player did A, B and C so sounds like mental health. You have been quoting posters and going on with "Bloody hell" and "FFS" as if it is so obvious fact.
So if you are now saying that you aren't convinced, but just making speculations, then fine.
This is my experience as well.
Where have I said it's an 'obvious fact' or indicated it as such.
Do you just imagine what you read instead of actually reading whats in the post?
I'd stop digging now if I was you.
I agree with this. I'm really surprised why this is not common across most clubs. Especially for younger talents. Just give them a decent base salary and structure the rest based on performance.
As long as you give them a good base salary, they can still rest assured that they will get a decent amount in case of injuries or bad luck. And it will keep them motivated to do better.
It's not common b/c another club will offer them a non-incentive-based contract. Furthermore, from an agent's perspective, they aren't protecting the client b/c at the end of the day the manager picks the players and the style of play. Imagine a contract based on goals and assists with a manager that rotates often and sits deep.
You're being disingenuous. You've strongly alluded to it several times, but here particularly.
Alluding to it and stating as it as fact aren't anywhere near being the same thing.
Bloody hell
Too many clubs are willing to throw massive amounts of money at players and there is fierce competition for even the most modestly talented teenagers out there because of homegrown rules. Why would someone choose to play for a club that pays sensible wages with additional bonuses, when you can play in the same tier for a massive pay and still recieve performance bonuses? If a club decides to go through sensible route, they will be outcompeted for the most talented players out there.
'Ffs it's not that hard' clarifies you see it as an open and shut case, whatever semantics you want to try and hide behind now.
Talk about being disingenuous as @Jippy said. Bloody hell indeed.
Again. Am I stating a fact? The answer is no. It's that simple
How is it disingenuous?
This is what the big clubs do. They roll the dice on young players. If you don't want your club doing that you should investigate some nice middle of the pack clubs. There are plenty out there that agree with you on signing young premium players being far too risky.
Seems more like an argument that some say he has mental issues and the other that he is not physically or mentally fit to play in the Premier League.
Without doubt your right there.
A talented player for sure, but put a young guy on extremely high wages and it isn't going to install much desire to improve.
Just because you didn’t literally use the word fact doesn’t mean you weren’t actually stating and projecting as one. You are hiding behind the usage of the word fact when infact all your arguments were concluding one thing with certainty. If multiple people understood the same things from your posts then either you don’t express yourself well or you are simply being disingenuous.
That's absolute nonsense.
The only way I can state it as fact is if I had his mediacl records. I don't.
I'm giving my OPINION on the evidence I have in front of me.
Honestly. This place is like Twitter at times
goes from playing in a good Dortmund team in an easy ish league as a player they got quite cheap.
to a very expensive player on very high wages in a very difficult league then goes through 4 managers, the pressure must be insane on a level most could never understand.
Just opinions sure.That's absolute nonsense.
The only way I can state it as fact is if I had his mediacl records. I don't.
I'm giving my OPINION on the evidence I have in front of me.
Honestly. This place is like Twitter at times
Thanks. They both feel reasonably credible.https://salarysport.com/football/player/jadon-sancho/
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ca...sanchos-manchester-united-wages-revealed/amp/
The Athletic stated a lot less than £350k as per the second link.
Also, the whole United playing staff had a 25% reduction in wages due to lack of Champions League qualification, so even if he was on £350k, (which he wasn't) he most certainly isn't now.
So which ever way you look at it, he's most definitely not on £350k.
How's that?
What does that even mean? I should support a new club if I don't like some aspect of my club? Many don't like the Glazers either, maybe they should all find different clubs to support. Don't understand this logic at all.
I get that its not possible to sign players for such contracts when there are other clubs who likely will offer them more money. But I feel we should draw the line somewhere, and refuse to go above said line for realtively unproven players. Every transfer is a gamble, but such transfers are much bigger gambles I feel.
We havent even had great success with this strategy recently.
It means big clubs sign young players at higher risk, with higher pay based on upside and projection. You may not like it but these things are a requirement if you want to be a top club.
That's fine, and understandable. But why ask me to support a different club? I didn't get that part.
That was an unnecessary addition by myself. Cheers mate.
Not one of those posts has me stating as a matter of fact that Sancho has mental health issues.
But apart from that I think you're spot on.
This post is a snide, lying idiot.
Grow up. FFS
What does this even mean? Are you being tongue in cheek about a serious issue or are his medical records public that you can view them? If it's tongue in cheek it's very poor taste.
It's perfectly fine to discuss a player, but we're moving into a territory that verges on intricately discussing medical records, when we don't know the full story. If it gets worse we may need to close the thread
It should be closed anyway, threads awful.
That’s not nice. Can’t believe people actually do this.
Give over.
It's clearly sarcasm.
Every single signing we make has to be considerably better than what we already have to make progress.
Ask yourself who the weak links are in our first 11 because Ten Hag will be doing the same.
Rashford Martial Antony
Fernandes
Casemiro Eriksen
Shaw/Malacia Martinez Varane Dalot
De Gea
I'd think he's looking at those areas for more quality in the next couple of windows.
We know he wants to replace AWB and get someone in to challenge Dalot but his priorities are improve on the goalkeeper and striker as soon as possible.
We also know he wants a CM but that will probably be in the summer when we may address the Rashford and Shaw situations of renewal or sales.
Where does Sancho fit in this? He doesn't. He's not in our first 11 right now and he now has a chance to prove to Ten Hag that he can be:
A) Better than Rashford and in the first 11
B) Good enough to keep as a very costly 2nd choice
Otherwise I'd imagine Ten Hag would sacrifice his wages, sell him and get in another forward. Whether that's Gakpo or another striker and he keeps Gakpo and Rashford for the left sided free role.
Ultimately I think Sancho is competing with Martial and Rashford for a place at the club. One of these will be sold in the summer. Sancho decides if he's ahead of Martial in that discussion but time will tell.
Ask yourself who the weak links are in our first 11 because Ten Hag will be doing the same.
Rashford Martial Antony
Fernandes
Casemiro Eriksen
Shaw/Malacia Martinez Varane Dalot
De Gea
I'd think he's looking at those areas for more quality in the next couple of windows.
We know he wants to replace AWB and get someone in to challenge Dalot but his priorities are improve on the goalkeeper and striker as soon as possible.
We also know he wants a CM but that will probably be in the summer when we may address the Rashford and Shaw situations of renewal or sales.
Where does Sancho fit in this? He doesn't. He's not in our first 11 right now and he now has a chance to prove to Ten Hag that he can be:
A) Better than Rashford and in the first 11
B) Good enough to keep as a very costly 2nd choice
Otherwise I'd imagine Ten Hag would sacrifice his wages, sell him and get in another forward. Whether that's Gakpo or another striker and he keeps Gakpo and Rashford for the left sided free role.
Ultimately I think Sancho is competing with Martial and Rashford for a place at the club. One of these will be sold in the summer. Sancho decides if he's ahead of Martial in that discussion but time will tell.
I think, by arranging this solo training program for Sancho, Ten Hag is doing all he can to help someone he views as a potential key player work on his issues both physical and mental. I think he knows what he has got and is trying what he thinks will ultimately bring the best out of Sancho or else he'd have simply dropped him like he did AWB, Maguire and Cristiano.
Sancho has the talent to compete and win a spot against Rashford and/or Anthony and none of them has yet cemented their place in a future ETH all conquering team. If I am ETH I'd be keen to see whether Sancho can replicate what he did in Germany because a player who can do that is usually the difference between the Europa and the CL or a CL finish and a title fight. A lot hinges on which Sancho returns but he isn't a pushover like Martial et al because he cost a lot recently and the coach himself knows how valuable he can be at his best.
The take home is that Ten Hag won't accept any passengers and I welcome the approach. Too many managers weren't ruthless enough to create exactly what they want or go against highly paid players. He's actively going against alot of ours. If De Gea, Sancho or Maguire are to be replaced in our squad I'd bet the replacements are exceptional for us.
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