Sancho won’t return to Man Utd until he's ready - Way too much inappropriate speculation.

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I feel like someone should point out that working with football coaches in the rain and snow in amateur club facilities in the Netherlands, in December I might add, is not a standard or even experimental treatment for depression.
Maybe being secluded away from the spotlight is exactly what he needs/wants?

He could be there with his family, working hard with nobody bothering or distracting him.

Amateur facilities? this is football, all you need is a grass pitch and a goal and you're set.

I doubt any of us are qualified to speak on what is best for Sancho at this moment.
 
Not sure why I’m bothering, but I’ll try one more time as you’ve failed to understand the point. Everything you’ve said here is irrelevant. I don’t need to demonstrate a case study which links racial abuse to mental illness. Your premise here is that many other black players didn’t have mental issues (which, by the way, is itself an unproven assumption unless you know them all) as a result of racism and therefore Sancho didn’t. This is a frankly ridiculous assertion because the whole point about mental health issues is that they manifest in many different ways and because of many different things. And importantly could impact each and every person differently because each person is different with their own background and history and experiences. Your view of pointing to others who weren’t impact to conclude why someone therefore can’t also be impacted is an uneducated viewpoint. And easily refuted in fact because there’s literally billions of examples where two people who react to the same circumstance differently.

And abuse wasn’t from terraces but instead on social media - but whatever that’s by the by.

There has not been any reports of any black players needing to be isolated from the team and train alone in another country due to racial abuse. If you can give examples to this happening then by all means I'm all ears
Stating the obvious that not every player reacts the same way does not mean Sancho developed mental illness as a result of social media racist abuse, considering none of his close allies in the media such as ferdinand have implied it caused any long lasting mental trauma and Sancho has never in any interview or social media post alluding to it causing him problems in relation to his ability in kicking a ball around on the pitch.

This is the list of players who were racially abused both on social media and in the stadium over the last few years and none of these players were required isolation and given specialised training programme away from the first team

Zaha called a monkey and the n word on his social media page

Sterling has been targeted for years with racial abuse and agenda driven campaign by the media to stereotype him

Troy Deeney reports abuse on social media.

Kalidou Koulibaly was notoriously racially abused in Italy

Romelu Lukaku racially mocked in Serie A during his spell at Inter

Alexander Isak, racially abused by Romanian fans during the Euro's

Antonio Rudiger was racially abused when playing a game for Chelsea against Spurs

Saka racially abused during 2020 euros

Pogba - racially abused throughout his career

Rashford - Racially abused during the Euro's and periods last season on his social media

This is just from the last few years, we can go back further in time to the racial abuse Evra suffered, none of these players funnily enough let ignorant dumb ass racists get to them to the point where they couldn't cope any more and needed sheltering away from the first team. I think it's desperate cheap excuse for sancho not playing well to use the race issue as a reason why he's not pulling up trees and why ETH has decided to take him out of the team. It's insulting to Sancho and the manager who you are more or less saying co-signs the idea that if a player is racially abused they are not tough enough mentally to deal with playing with the team
 
Is Sancho going to the Netherlands in the cold rain and snow to train with amateurs the Continental version of Rocky going to Russia to train in the snow? Do you think they are playing Burning Heart somewhere in the background?
 
Is Sancho going to the Netherlands in the cold rain and snow to train with amateurs the Continental version of Rocky going to Russia to train in the snow? Do you think they are playing Burning Heart somewhere in the background?
If they arent, they should be! Hoping to see an epic beard on the boy when he comes back!
 
Unfortunately i can imagine a racist rag like daily mail or the sun (probably both) will now smell blood and do all they can to drag sancho down
 
I feel like someone should point out that working with football coaches in the rain and snow in amateur club facilities in the Netherlands, in December I might add, is not a standard or even experimental treatment for depression.
That makes no sense, football is a simple game.
On top of that, look at the amount of people with money that decided to spend their holidays in nature. Seems to work well for them to be happy.
 
Maybe being secluded away from the spotlight is exactly what he needs/wants?

He could be there with his family, working hard with nobody bothering or distracting him.

Amateur facilities? this is football, all you need is a grass pitch and a goal and you're set.

I doubt any of us are qualified to speak on what is best for Sancho at this moment.
I wonder why this thread has not been shut down then?
 
For the last fricking time, he isn't on £350k a week,
wish this rumour along with many others about Sancho would die.

You've never spoken to me about his salary every, calm yourself down.

It's reported he's on over 300k, I believe that given how desperate we were to sign him.
 
I feel like this all started to come about when he didnt get picked for the Internationals early on in the season.

If you remember pretty much his only involvement at the Euros was coming on in the final to miss a penalty, he ends up starting this season fairly well and yet doesnt get the call up.

I feel it was probably at that point where he fell out of love with the game a bit? Especially when hes seeing the likes of Sterling and Grealish getting picked who really havent been pulling up trees. Also he's having to watch most of his countrymen at the club going to play for England while he's left back wondering what he has to do.

The penalty broke him, the lack of a call up when in a better than normal bit of form didnt help either.
 
Whether Sancho is on 250K / week or 350K , the fact is he is one of top earners in the league. Only those deliver top performance whatsoever rise to the top of pyramid and earn the most. That's how competitive sport works. If you did not deliver top performance, you are under-performed towards your level.

It is just nonsense that we have to keep giving Sancho leeway or excuse to explain his under-performance. At the end of the day, EPL is a paid entertainment; supporting a local team might add a layer of emotional connection, but it should be no difference with paying ticket/subscription fee to watch a movie. If an actor in the movie performed terribly and ruin the movie, audiences have all the rights to feel disappointed and criticize the actor, especially those earned big to lead the line of the show. I really don't care what happened behind the scene; it is all about what you bring on the table to serve your audiences.

Sancho has ben such disappointment by far since he joined . It is already 2nd season with the 3rd coach around , and he still did not sort himself out and find a way to deliver. Now to put in short, he is expelled from the team to regroup when we need him the most to carry. Some of the posts here pretend they have the most sympathy and seize the high ground to accuse those showing anything less, it is ridiculous.
 
Whether Sancho is on 250K / week or 350K , the fact is he is one of top earners in the league. Only those deliver top performance whatsoever rise to the top of pyramid and earn the most. That's how competitive sport works. If you did not deliver top performance, you are under-performed towards your level.

It is just nonsense that we have to keep giving Sancho leeway or excuse to explain his under-performance. At the end of the day, EPL is a paid entertainment; supporting a local team might add a layer of emotional connection, but it should be no difference with paying ticket/subscription fee to watch a movie. If an actor in the movie performed terribly and ruin the movie, audiences have all the rights to feel disappointed and criticize the actor, especially those earned big to lead the line of the show. I really don't care what happened behind the scene; it is all about what you bring on the table to serve your audiences.

Sancho has ben such disappointment by far since he joined . It is already 2nd season with the 3rd coach around , and he still did not sort himself out and find a way to deliver. Now to put in short, he is expelled from the team to regroup when we need him the most to carry. Some of the posts here pretend they have the most sympathy and seize the high ground to accuse those showing anything less, it is ridiculous.
So whats your solution to get him back to top performance?
A good old fashioned beating?? Water boarding?
 
Being a marquee signing of a fallen giant, carrying expectations of a huge footballing nation apparently is stressful. Who knew. Get well soon.
 
Why has race/racism been bought into this thread?

Lad is prob really low on confidence, sounds like the club are trying to support him through this, he will be back when he is ready. End of debate.
 
Why has race/racism been bought into this thread?

Lad is prob really low on confidence, sounds like the club are trying to support him through this, he will be back when he is ready. End of debate.
I’m not sure if you noticed, but he was involved in a very major racism related incident around the time we signed him
 
I hope he gets well soon for his sake. Hopefully he can make that fairytale comeback for us but the ruthless and volatile nature of football is unforgiving, especially at the highest level.

His wages are quite high (to the point he should be one of the star performers) and I can see him being an easy win in a wage reduction and redistribution exercise, if things don’t work out or someone else comes through and performs out of their skin like Garnacho.
 
So whats your solution to get him back to top performance?
A good old fashioned beating?? Water boarding?
I agree with how ETH treated him , but it is really up to Sancho himself to deliver top performance. Eden Hazard also not famous for his professionalism, but he managed to deliver. Sancho has got all the resource there to support him already. If he fails, that's on him.
 
I agree with how ETH treated him , but it is really up to Sancho himself to deliver top performance. Eden Hazard also not famous for his professionalism, but he managed to deliver. Sancho has got all the resource there to support him already. If he fails, that's on him.

Is anyone saying otherwise?
 
I wonder why this thread has not been shut down then?
nothing wrong with discussing it, but trying to talk factually about it is pointless as nobody knows the true extent.
 
Couldn't careless how much money he's on, the main thing is there's a good chance a young man isn't in his best place mentally, who needs supporting until he is and I'm glad ten Hag and the club are helping.
 
Is anyone saying otherwise?
You may find posts saying below and they are the "otherwise" ones:
"ETH should be more discrete to protect Sancho"
"ETH did not make good use of Sancho so he did not perform well"
"Sancho suffered major racial abuse so he did not perform well"
"Sancho may suffer depression and the club should provide more support "
"Sancho missed the penalty in Euro and did not get call up to World Cup , so he was moody and could not perform."
"ETH set up too much defensive work for Sancho and that was why he could only run 60 mins and suffered pool performance in attack as he was tired already"
"Sancho would shine if we have a proper MC/ST/... "
 
He needs physical conditioning and a bit of toughening that's all. Ten Hag saying he doesn't know when he's coming back is a way of not being pinned down on the exact date but he should be back by the reopening of the season or early January obviously.
 
Has flopped. Might come good of course, but I could even see a scenario where he is shipped out, maybe even summer 2023
 
There has not been any reports of any black players needing to be isolated from the team and train alone in another country due to racial abuse. If you can give examples to this happening then by all means I'm all ears
Stating the obvious that not every player reacts the same way does not mean Sancho developed mental illness as a result of social media racist abuse, considering none of his close allies in the media such as ferdinand have implied it caused any long lasting mental trauma and Sancho has never in any interview or social media post alluding to it causing him problems in relation to his ability in kicking a ball around on the pitch.

This is the list of players who were racially abused both on social media and in the stadium over the last few years and none of these players were required isolation and given specialised training programme away from the first team

Zaha called a monkey and the n word on his social media page

Sterling has been targeted for years with racial abuse and agenda driven campaign by the media to stereotype him

Troy Deeney reports abuse on social media.

Kalidou Koulibaly was notoriously racially abused in Italy

Romelu Lukaku racially mocked in Serie A during his spell at Inter

Alexander Isak, racially abused by Romanian fans during the Euro's

Antonio Rudiger was racially abused when playing a game for Chelsea against Spurs

Saka racially abused during 2020 euros

Pogba - racially abused throughout his career

Rashford - Racially abused during the Euro's and periods last season on his social media

This is just from the last few years, we can go back further in time to the racial abuse Evra suffered, none of these players funnily enough let ignorant dumb ass racists get to them to the point where they couldn't cope any more and needed sheltering away from the first team. I think it's desperate cheap excuse for sancho not playing well to use the race issue as a reason why he's not pulling up trees and why ETH has decided to take him out of the team. It's insulting to Sancho and the manager who you are more or less saying co-signs the idea that if a player is racially abused they are not tough enough mentally to deal with playing with the team
Once again you’ve missed the point. Good riddance.
 
He needs physical conditioning and a bit of toughening that's all. Ten Hag saying he doesn't know when he's coming back is a way of not being pinned down on the exact date but he should be back by the reopening of the season or early January obviously.

No, he needs a tonsilectomy, three years of old-school in-depth psychoanalysis, and that’s not all. He also could use an unspecified amount of water melon cheeing gum and new ear pods for his Samsung.

Ten Hag’s talk about his return is a way to gloss over that he doesn’t have a Christmas present for him yet and that he will sell Sancho to Wolves in January to save face and not have to be confronted about it. I don’t really think that’s up for debate.
 
So whats your solution to get him back to top performance?
A good old fashioned beating?? Water boarding?

Nice measured response there.

As with most issues these days everyone has to go to complete extremes.

My stance is that mental health is very important, people need to prioritise your own and support people who are struggling. As with all things in life, we should show empathy and understanding and help each other out wherever we can.

But also, the kid has earned about £6million from the club in only 18 months. What's that about £3m after tax? Perhaps £1m in the bank if you deduct expenses etc? That's enough to step away from the limelight for a long time if it's impinging on his health. Most people in the world don't have that privilege, and it's unhelpful and disingenuous not to acknowledge that there is a difference.

It is not right to say he shouldn't have human feelings because he is well paid, that's stupid and you have to be a cnut to think that way. But also pointing out that with high salaries comes high expectation, I don't see why we have to go straight to 'waterboard him then?'
 
You may find posts saying below and they are the "otherwise" ones:
"ETH should be more discrete to protect Sancho"
"ETH did not make good use of Sancho so he did not perform well"
"Sancho suffered major racial abuse so he did not perform well"
"Sancho may suffer depression and the club should provide more support "
"Sancho missed the penalty in Euro and did not get call up to World Cup , so he was moody and could not perform."
"ETH set up too much defensive work for Sancho and that was why he could only run 60 mins and suffered pool performance in attack as he was tired already"
"Sancho would shine if we have a proper MC/ST/... "

Notice in all these hypothetical dreamed up scenario's Sancho is the victim and bares no responsibility for the shit show here's served up since playing for the club.

Once again you’ve missed the point. Good riddance.

Do one
 
Hard to know with the statement been so open to interpretation , do the mental issues refer to the club not been happy with his attitude or has the kid genuinely got some heath issues to sort out , if he does then he should be given the space and support to do so.

Regardless it has not been a successful signing for us(or him) so far , he performances have been by and large underwhelming to say the least and now he is not available at all coming into a very busy part of the season when we need all hands on deck.
 
Nice measured response there.

As with most issues these days everyone has to go to complete extremes.

My stance is that mental health is very important, people need to prioritise your own and support people who are struggling. As with all things in life, we should show empathy and understanding and help each other out wherever we can.

But also, the kid has earned about £6million from the club in only 18 months. What's that about £3m after tax? Perhaps £1m in the bank if you deduct expenses etc? That's enough to step away from the limelight for a long time if it's impinging on his health. Most people in the world don't have that privilege, and it's unhelpful and disingenuous not to acknowledge that there is a difference.

It is not right to say he shouldn't have human feelings because he is well paid, that's stupid and you have to be a cnut to think that way. But also pointing out that with high salaries comes high expectation, I don't see why we have to go straight to 'waterboard him then?'
Good grief......
maybe the cat o nine tails then.....
 
For the last fricking time, he isn't on £350k a week,
wish this rumour along with many others about Sancho would die.
Please will you link to a source that tells us what he actually is on then?

It’s reported to be £350k per week by e.g. https://www.spotrac.com/epl/manchester-united-fc/payroll/ and https://manchesterunitedlatestnews.com/manchester-united-players-wages/?amp=1

These sources may well be inaccurate. I have no idea. But I would like them to be discredited by something more substantial than your usual Everyone On Here Is An Idiot But Champ schtick ;)
 
A loan deal to Dortmund possibly might be an idea? Gives him some space and a chance to get back to playing at his best level. Then reassess the situation in in the summer.
 
Please will you link to a source that tells us what he actually is on then?

It’s reported to be £350k per week by e.g. https://www.spotrac.com/epl/manchester-united-fc/payroll/ and https://manchesterunitedlatestnews.com/manchester-united-players-wages/?amp=1

These sources may well be inaccurate. I have no idea. But I would like them to be discredited by something more substantial than your usual Everyone On Here Is An Idiot But Champ schtick ;)
https://salarysport.com/football/player/jadon-sancho/

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ca...sanchos-manchester-united-wages-revealed/amp/

The Athletic stated a lot less than £350k as per the second link.

Also, the whole United playing staff had a 25% reduction in wages due to lack of Champions League qualification, so even if he was on £350k, (which he wasn't) he most certainly isn't now.

So which ever way you look at it, he's most definitely not on £350k.

How's that? :drool:
 
I agree with how ETH treated him , but it is really up to Sancho himself to deliver top performance. Eden Hazard also not famous for his professionalism, but he managed to deliver. Sancho has got all the resource there to support him already. If he fails, that's on him.
It’s also up to United to ensure he has support / help. No point paying these sums of money and signing long contracts players can sit on if our attitude is perform or jog on.

Plenty of players have signed big contracts and just sat on them.
 
I'm not against discussions on MH related topics but since we don't know what is really going on with Sancho, I wonder if it's best if such thread is even needed, a lot of speculations and assumptions based on very little information
I think this type of discussion is always worth having. It (or at least should) humanise professional football players.
Once again you’ve missed the point. Good riddance.
There's no point. It's like talking to a brick wall.
 
Unfortunately i can imagine a racist rag like daily mail or the sun (probably both) will now smell blood and do all they can to drag sancho down

Or they could sit back and let our own fanbase do it instead
 
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