Sancho won’t return to Man Utd until he's ready - Way too much inappropriate speculation.

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If he's dealing with some mental issues, I hope he gets better. Don't want to comment any more on this since nothing is confirmed.

But we really need to take a long hard look at our transfer strategy - We hand out insane wages to young players. This includes Sancho, Rashford, Martial and many others. High wages are really a dual edge sword - on one hand, it might motivate the player to push even harder. Or it could also bring in complacency, since they might feel on top of the world already.

I don't know a good solution to this. We stand the risk of losing good players if we hold out on wages, but at the same time, we might end up being better off in the long term by doing so.

Giving big wages to guys who have won it all and are undisputed stars (like Mbappe, Haaland now, peak Neymar, Messi, Ronaldo etc.) is one thing. But we should really try to hold out on giving such contracts to really young players who are relatively unproven, or are just pure potential. High wages need to be earned by being the best player(s) on the pitch.
 
Bilbo said:
Or they could sit back and let our own fanbase do it instead
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There I a difference to speculating on a forum than them hounding him and then creating bad press related to him on a national scale
 
Lee565 said:
There I a difference to speculating on a forum than them hounding him and then creating bad press related to him on a national scale
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Different route but same destination. The point is we're not very good at supporting our own. Look at what Maguire has been put through in the last few years. We have certainly played our part in that.
 
Bilbo said:
Different route but same destination. The point is we're not very good at supporting our own. Look at what Maguire has been put through in the last few years. We have certainly played our part in that.
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We certainly have, Bilbo. In our haste, we failed to ask ourselves, "Who does he have in his pocket?" His has been a bitter adventure, if it must end so; and not a mountain of gold can amend it.
 
tenpoless said:
It's not deactivated nor deleted since you can still see the profile. He deleted all his posts and changed his profile pic to a blank pic.
All of that points to him returning at some point, hopefully soon.
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Yes his profile exists and there are no posts on it. The rumour I was replying to was that he only left Dortmund posts up and deleted United related posts, which is just a fake story that refuses to die.
 
Sancho has been poor. I think EtH told him he can do much better and wants to give him one to one attention. But he wanted Sancho to also focus, which he has done by taking a social media break. So all in all this looks pretty positive. If Sancho is addicted to games on his phone and has no self control to stop and rest, then that is a real problem. I mean you can't make him surrender his phone right?
 
Stack said:
Never ever pick your nose, there is a massive chance your head will cave in.
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You people are over dramatic. If you think something as simple as an this comment would send a player into a head spin. Maybe it is you who needs to not pick your nose.
 
Champ said:
https://salarysport.com/football/player/jadon-sancho/

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ca...sanchos-manchester-united-wages-revealed/amp/

The Athletic stated a lot less than £350k as per the second link.

Also, the whole United playing staff had a 25% reduction in wages due to lack of Champions League qualification, so even if he was on £350k, (which he wasn't) he most certainly isn't now.

So which ever way you look at it, he's most definitely not on £350k.

How's that? :drool:
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Links you posted say he is on 250K Basic going up to 300K with incentives. Then he had a clause in his second year that increased his basic up to 275K, presumably still with the 50K incentives.

"He's not on 350K, he's on 275K, going up to 325K" is hardly the slam dunk you seem to think it is fella :lol: .
 
Zippycup said:
Its quite disturbing that so many posters simply don't care about a person's mental well-being let alone a person who plays for the club they support.
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Nothing more disturbing than people who have absolutely no knowledge about a player's health, so convincingly arguing about said player's mental health issues and clinical depression and what not.
 
Stack said:
So whats your solution to get him back to top performance?
A good old fashioned beating?? Water boarding?
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Put on him on the bench until he works harder and earns his place back. This isn't a charity, it's a competitive football club at the highest level and he's a professional on lots of money.
 
Black Alabaster said:
Links you posted say he is on 250K Basic going up to 300K with incentives. Then he had a clause in his second year that increased his basic up to 275K, presumably still with the 50K incentives.

"He's not on 350K, he's on 275K, going up to 325K" is hardly the slam dunk you seem to think it is fella :lol: .
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Is he hitting them incentives right now? Or ever?
Is he actually on £350k a week?
Has his wage been reduced by 25% as per everyone else?

The answer to those questions would then inherently prove that what I said was actually correct.

Which was what was asked of me.
 
Zippycup said:
I think this type of discussion is always worth having. It (or at least should) humanise professional football players.

There's no point. It's like talking to a brick wall.
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I agree with the bolded, and of course footballers must be viewed as humans who are susceptible to MH issues just like all of us.

My point is mainly about Sancho, we know next to nothing about his current situation, and with that I think it's wiser to not speculate and assume.

If the discussion is general in nature then it is good to have such discussion.
 
Being sent off to train alone in a new and probably very isolated environment would usually be a lot more to do with poor attitude and fitness and hardly seems like the usual course of action to help a player with real mental health issues. When Lingard was going through it he was given time off, not sent off to a solo boot camp.

Suggests Sancho is either so out of condition it's bad for his confidence to train with proper footballers, or his attitude is problematic.
 
RedDevil@84 said:
Nothing more disturbing than people who have absolutely no knowledge about a player's health, so convincingly arguing about said player's mental health issues and clinical depression and what not.
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As far as I can see nobody has said with definite fact with Sancho is suffering from Mental health.

What I have seen though is posters who recognise the signs of Mental health and are being considerate to the possibility that one of our players may be ill.
 
OmarUnited4ever said:
I agree with the bolded, and of course footballers must be viewed as humans who are susceptible to MH issues just like all of us.

My point is mainly about Sancho, we know next to nothing about his current situation, and with that I think it's wiser to not speculate and assume.

If the discussion is general in nature then it is good to have such discussion.
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Indeed.

I would counter argue that highlighting the possibility that he may be suffering from Mental health may make our fans ease off him slightly.
It's definitely a minefield as we have little information but for me, everything that we know points towards Mental health issues.
 
Zippycup said:
As far as I can see nobody has said with definite fact with Sancho is suffering from Mental health.

What I have seen though is posters who recognise the signs of Mental health and are being considerate to the possibility that one of our players may be ill.
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I can’t really believe this is having to be explained.

Sad that it is really.
 
hobbers said:
Being sent off to train alone in a new and probably very isolated environment would usually be a lot more to do with poor attitude and fitness and hardly seems like the usual course of action to help a player with real mental health issues. When Lingard was going through it he was given time off, not sent off to a solo boot camp.

Suggests Sancho is either so out of condition it's bad for his confidence to train with proper footballers, or his attitude is problematic.
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You're right. When Rocky was sent to train hard in isolation in Rocky 3, it was because he did indeed have an attitude problem.
 
LoneStar said:
If he's dealing with some mental issues, I hope he gets better. Don't want to comment any more on this since nothing is confirmed.

But we really need to take a long hard look at our transfer strategy - We hand out insane wages to young players. This includes Sancho, Rashford, Martial and many others. High wages are really a dual edge sword - on one hand, it might motivate the player to push even harder. Or it could also bring in complacency, since they might feel on top of the world already.

I don't know a good solution to this. We stand the risk of losing good players if we hold out on wages, but at the same time, we might end up being better off in the long term by doing so.

Giving big wages to guys who have won it all and are undisputed stars (like Mbappe, Haaland now, peak Neymar, Messi, Ronaldo etc.) is one thing. But we should really try to hold out on giving such contracts to really young players who are relatively unproven, or are just pure potential. High wages need to be earned by being the best player(s) on the pitch.
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From my perspective the solution is contracts with reasonable weekly wages and performance based incentives.
 
hobbers said:
Being sent off to train alone in a new and probably very isolated environment would usually be a lot more to do with poor attitude and fitness and hardly seems like the usual course of action to help a player with real mental health issues. When Lingard was going through it he was given time off, not sent off to a solo boot camp.

Suggests Sancho is either so out of condition it's bad for his confidence to train with proper footballers, or his attitude is problematic.
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Plenty of assumptions being made here.

He has been ill for a few weeks so perhaps that was the club allowing him time off. It’s clearly all connected.
 
Zippycup said:
As far as I can see nobody has said with definite fact with Sancho is suffering from Mental health.

What I have seen though is posters who recognise the signs of Mental health and are being considerate to the possibility that one of our players may be ill.
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Disagree


Zippycup said:
Bloody hell
He recieved sickening racial abuse after the European championship
He admitted he has problems sleeping
He has blacked out his Instagram account
He has been taken away from the rest of the squad for private training
ETH has said that he isn't physically or mentally ready to return
ETH said he doesn't have a return date for (uninjured) Sancho.

Everything above points to Mental Health issues
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Champ said:
Is he hitting them incentives right now? Or ever?
Is he actually on £350k a week?
Has his wage been reduced by 25% as per everyone else?

The answer to those questions would then inherently prove that what I said was actually correct.

Which was what was asked of me.
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Yeah fairplay, if not for previous managerial incompetence. Still think those are obscene figures to be doling out to lads of that age,. I'm sure that can bring it's own pressure and guilt when your not firing on all cylinders. Was a one horse race to get him too.
 
TheReligion said:
Plenty of assumptions being made here.

He has been ill for a few weeks so perhaps that was the club allowing him time off. It’s clearly all connected.
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Yeah but could just as easily have been for a physical illness than mental. Which would also better explain how he might be so badly deconditioned.
 
TheReligion said:
it wasn’t. Chelsea were trying to sign him
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I don't recall any serious links outside of tabloids or Dortmund leaks trying to inflate his fee after we backed off their ridiculous 120M asking price to get him cheaper the next summer.

He was a boyhood Chelsea fan mind.
 
TheReligion said:
You do know not all mental health issues are under the umbrella of depression though surely?
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Obviously. I think you might be reading too much into an off hand comment. I am specifically pointing out how silly I think the suggestion that he is currently dealing with depression is.
 
RedDevil@84 said:
Disagree
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You disagree then quote a post of mine where I'm saying that all the signs point to Mental Health problems but at no stage state with definite fact that he has mental health issues?

You haven't thought this through.
 
TheReligion said:
I can’t really believe this is having to be explained.

Sad that it is really.
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It really is.
It highlights that Mental health illness is still seen by so many as a person's choice to have rather than an illness.

Its actually quite scary
 
Laurencio said:
Obviously. I think you might be reading too much into an off hand comment. I am specifically pointing out how silly I think the suggestion that he is currently dealing with depression is.
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I’ve not specifically mentioned depression? You seem to be linking MH with it specifically when it’s not as simple as that
 
Black Alabaster said:
I don't recall any serious links outside of tabloids or Dortmund leaks trying to inflate his fee after we backed off their ridiculous 120M asking price to get him cheaper the next summer.

He was a boyhood Chelsea fan mind.
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There were other clubs, like Chelsea, interested in the player.

That makes whatever point you were trying to make incorrect.
 
TheReligion said:
I’ve not specifically mentioned depression? You seem to be linking MH with it specifically when it’s not as simple as that
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What are you talking about? I didn't quote you in that post did I? Not sure why you would assume I was targeting your posts?
 
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