Sancho won’t return to Man Utd until he's ready - Way too much inappropriate speculation.

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That’s not nice. Can’t believe people actually do this.
You people's over reaction is actually something else. Firstly, highly unlikely he'll even see it, as most of these accounts are handled by social media managers.
Secondly, even if he does see it then so what? It's not an abusive comment. It's highly critical but not abusive. Its a call to action to wake the F up for a player from whom much is expected yet so little has been delivered.
 
I may have contributed to him coming off social media. After one of the many lackluster performances, I couldn't bare it anymore, so went on Insta and DMed him the below comment, which was posted by a user on here

"He just hasn't got that inner drive needed to thrive at a club like United, he's too content with himself. One of the things that bugged me from the start with him and I posted it back then. He got the move of a lifetime to a huge club like United. He should have been eager to impress and had himself in top physical condition for the start of the season. Instead, he accepted an extended holiday and returned to the club totally out of shape. Even Maguire and Shaw returned to training before him that summer and they played almost every minute of the Euros. Grealish was even back in time for the Community shield for City. Sancho should have been back early for preseason eager to impress last year but instead, he shows up out of shape. That winning drive just isn't his nature. He'll 100% never succeed here."

"You gotta be better man, make us eat our words"

I do hope he turns it around but currently, looks like he lacks the physicality and mentality needed to be a success for Man united, in the premier league.

Ridiculous
 
Rooney was mentally ill, he was still suffering from the world cup where the england fans jeered the team off the pitch that's why they was sent away to Netherland. It had nothing to to do with turning up to pre-season unfit, and needing to work on his fitness and being out of form at the time. Didn't you see the signs?
Probably not the best example for you given Rooney has very openly talked about mental struggles through his career to be honest.
 
So once in the last 12 years, and who knows how long before that time. Even if it's accepted these situations are similar that's not a good precedent for whats happened.

Think this thread has run it's course though really until some new developments happen like him coming back. Then we can have something concrete and relevant to chat about.

Would like to see what he is looking like at that point if he is visibly more trim like Luke Shaw has looked this season.
 
Not that it's breaking news as we already knew, but:





I then saw this highlight of Sancho vs PSG when he was trim and out to impress Neymar who then swapped shirts after the game.



Observe how energetic and high intensity he is playing, even in basic build up movements without players around him, makes players cautious to approach. That short explosive dribbling is what makes up for his lack of high end acceleration and top speed. That video shows perfectly what made him so eye catching before, gliding and beating men for fun, having energy to skip his body past a challenge, basically copying Neymars style infront of him.

Great player in there I do hope he pulls through and is fit and energetic on his return.
 
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You people's over reaction is actually something else. Firstly, highly unlikely he'll even see it, as most of these accounts are handled by social media managers.
Secondly, even if he does see it then so what? It's not an abusive comment. It's highly critical but not abusive. Its a call to action to wake the F up for a player from whom much is expected yet so little has been delivered.

It is not your job to motivate players by sending them unsolicited messages on social media.

There is an entire club support network, coaching staff, mental health team, manager, family and friends surrounding the player capable of doing just that and handling it in a proper way to help him through a difficult time.

And if he reads it or not is utterly meaningless, you contribute to the toxicity of social media that many players face day after day. It's properly pathetic stuff.
 
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It is not your job to motivate players by sending them unsolicited messages on social media.

There is an entire club support network, coaching staff, mental health team, manager, family and friends surrounding the player capable of doing just that and handling it in a proper way to help him through a difficult time.

And if he reads it or not is utterly meaningless, you contribute to the toxicity of social media that many players face day after day. It's properly pathetic stuff.
[/QUOTE well done for being the source of knowledge on what players need or don't need, what help they get or don't get. And also also the person to define what toxic is. Pathetic
 
What a car crash of a thread. Some of the comments :wenger:

Our manager comes out and says a player that the player isn’t physically and mentally ready and clearly the club and manager both are supporting him through this process yet we have fans who are calling this 22 year old out. Crazy times we live in.
 
There's no proof of any mental issues, other than the manager saying he's up not to task mentally and physically. His fanboys want to drill home the idea he's mentally ill to make excuses for his poor performances, even though he's been sent to train alone in isolation somewhere Holland as if that's the best medicine you give to someone struggling with mental problems
Tone deaf. We have no idea of Sancho’s past outside of football. People can have traumatic experiences (abuse, assault, anxiety, depression) not even connected to football. He could be on the autism spectrum (my child was diagnosed at 16 and we had no clue because he was so high functioning but depressed at the same time).

We’re all disappointed that he hasn’t been the savior we were hoping for. But we need to respect his process, and this step by ETH is a great thing, best for the player, the club and the fans.
 
There's quite a lot of territory between 'not mentally fit to perform at the highest level for manchester united aged 19' and 'mentally ill.' People need to stick to the known facts and not speculate. Personally I doubt he'd be at a sports training facility in the Netherlands if he was clinically ill.
 
He has all the talent in the world, hopefully some time alone will do him good. I have no doubt that he can make it here.
 
There's quite a lot of territory between 'not mentally fit to perform at the highest level for manchester united aged 19' and 'mentally ill.' People need to stick to the known facts and not speculate. Personally I doubt he'd be at a sports training facility in the Netherlands if he was clinically ill.

Why add various caveats to it though? Does he have to be declared ‘clinically unwell’ to be supported or formally diagnosed with a severe metal impairment?

We have been told repeatedly he’s unfit physically and mentally. The club are supporting him as is the manager. That should be enough at this point. I’m not sure why this place has to be full of hate all the time.
 
Not mentally fit could simply mean his confidence in his ability is on the floor. Or that he’s lost focus. Doesn’t mean he’s struggling with his mental health.

Ten Hag seems to have a good handle on it.
 
You people's over reaction is actually something else. Firstly, highly unlikely he'll even see it, as most of these accounts are handled by social media managers.
Secondly, even if he does see it then so what? It's not an abusive comment. It's highly critical but not abusive. Its a call to action to wake the F up for a player from whom much is expected yet so little has been delivered.
I mean it's fecking weird to be DM'ing players
 
Why add various caveats to it though? Does he have to be declared ‘clinically unwell’ to be supported or formally diagnosed with a severe metal impairment?

We have been told repeatedly he’s unfit physically and mentally. The club are supporting him as is the manager. That should be enough at this point. I’m not sure why this place has to be full of hate all the time.

I thik it's great that the club are looking after his mental health. They would be foolish not to given how valuable he is and it is also the right thing to do. He'll be back when he's back and that's all there is to it really. I just think that's all a world away from talking about mental illness though. That's just baseless speculation.
 
Not that it's breaking news as we already knew, but:





I then saw this highlight of Sancho vs PSG when he was trim and out to impress Neymar who then swapped shirts after the game.



Observe how energetic and high intensity he is playing, even in basic build up movements without players around him, makes players cautious to approach. That short explosive dribbling is what makes up for his lack of high end acceleration and top speed. That video shows perfectly what made him so eye catching before, gliding and beating men for fun, having energy to skip his body past a challenge, basically copying Neymars style infront of him.

Great player in there I do hope he pulls through and is fit and energetic on his return.

Looking at that video against PSG, that's the player I though we bought. Hopefully he returns with his mind in peace and ready to make it here.
 
Looking at that video against PSG, that's the player I though we bought. Hopefully he returns with his mind in peace and ready to make it here.

He did nothing in that video that he hasn't done here at United. He is playing exactly like the sancho you saw in the video against PSG, difference he has been found out to the point where his game has been reduced to playing it safe.

Doing nice one 2's and flicks as a winger is not enough to be a great player at a big club. You need more than that, you need to be willing to stretch opposition, be willing to take on players and be a talisman. Garnacho has showed us what we've been missing and Garnacho's performances has trumped any performance Sancho has delivered in a United shirt, peroid.
 
Tone deaf. We have no idea of Sancho’s past outside of football. People can have traumatic experiences (abuse, assault, anxiety, depression) not even connected to football. He could be on the autism spectrum (my child was diagnosed at 16 and we had no clue because he was so high functioning but depressed at the same time).

We’re all disappointed that he hasn’t been the savior we were hoping for. But we need to respect his process, and this step by ETH is a great thing, best for the player, the club and the fans.

Your post reminds of that ''won't somebody think of the children'' meme

You're not exactly respecting the process when you're reaching to labelling a player potentially autistic based on the manager saying he's not physically and mentally ready to play football.

Btw being autistic doesn't mean you have to get sent away to train alone in a foreign country to build back up fitness. Autistic people simply process information differently and most have a higher HQ to the unique way of thinking. it certainly doesn't suddenly make them forget how to play football.
 
There's quite a lot of territory between 'not mentally fit to perform at the highest level for manchester united aged 19' and 'mentally ill.' People need to stick to the known facts and not speculate. Personally I doubt he'd be at a sports training facility in the Netherlands if he was clinically ill.

Given how common it is with severe stress related issues in professional sports — it would be anything but odd if it kept him out for a while. Also think the facts check every symptom. Like I don’t really agree with the ‘don’t speculate part’, when it seems so obvious what is going on (broadly).

Athletes commonly get burnout like symptoms and panic attacks. What is labeled as ‘panic attacks’ sounds dramatic due to its label, but in reality it’s just the body protesting by basically sending out hormones causing someone as much anxiety as the body is able to stir up. A minority reacts physically when it happens by like getting problems breathing, thinking they are having a heart attack or whatever, but for most it’s just an overreaction and others can’t tell when you are having one.

Being exposed to this is the extremely unpleasant and drains the body of energy. For someone with severe stress related issues, ‘panic attacks’ often occur regularly for a longer period. Weeks/months/even years in the worst cases. It’s not uncommon that panic attacks leads to a depression. A depression is pretty serious.

In all this, it’s very likely that Jason Sancho is 100% level headed, concerned with how his body is overreacting mentally. Regrets putting as much pressure on himself as he have, given how he ultimately just loves playing football. Everyone on planet earth has some kind of personal issue related to family, partners, friends, relatives and what not.

In addition, it’s very likely that he is in a state where he is desperate to get his life back in order, come back to what he loves the most, playing football. But of course, if you get panic attacks on a daily basis — no matter what you do — it’s hard to not think ‘will it ever get better’? Sancho is obviously extremely driven and has been an Uber Menschen his entire life. If he wants to learn something, do something, he works hard on it. Focus on it. This is just contra-productive when what would be best for him would be to just do the opposite, let go. Don’t care so much.

Why is it so obvious that Sancho at least roughly are having problems like this? Him deleting his social media accounts, him wanting to get away from Manchester/the team/everything, it not being given a date for when he returns. Him not being able to return for a very normal date as today, when everyone else are returning. First it was said — he won’t come along to Spain. Nothing mentioned that he would miss a day after Spain.

He was fit enough and in a mental state to play to start the year — then miss what three weeks with an “illness”.

These type of issues are really really common. Some get them when they are 12, others when they are 22, many when they are 44 — or whatever. It has always existed. But forever it has been swept under the carpet, called something else.

It is 100% possible to treat these type of emergency conditions with medicine. As I understand it, science is more and more leaning towards advising inserting medical treatment early in the process.

Why isn’t it done from day 1 in all cases? What you fear is the risk for the warning signs the body sends out will be neglected. Everyone can have bad habits. Problems sleeping. Some always get really nervous before a game. Struggles sleeping the night before a game. Whatever. To get away from those bad habits, you do need a wake up call. Time to consider what really matters in life.

Maybe Sancho doesn’t want to take pills. I had a really bad burnout in February 2016. I listened to an interview with Buffon about his burnout. He refused to take pills. I also refused to take pills, I got a little better gradually, but it was tough. On 30 May 2016 my dad died from an heart attack without any previous warning. I started to have real depression like symptoms (couldn’t eat, the stomach/digestive system just shut off, was freezing really bad, felt nothing and nothing I did changed how I felt, really horrible to experience). And I called the doctor and got classic pills. They helped me a lot. Was probably a few months before I started to get back towards 100% (started working 1 August 2016 at a little reduced rate (I normally work 60 hour weeks))and after a couple of years I was completely 100% and after that better than anytime before to be honest because I just see things differently.

Why is it — IMO — not wrong to speculate on this?
1. It’s nothing to be ashamed about. It’s really common. At some point or another more than 50% of the population get severe issues of this type.
2. It’s often caused by very normal things, everyday stress, which Sancho being in an exposed profession face a ton of.
3. Realistically it takes time. Half a year at least is some kind of rule of thumb, but it can of course go faster. The more time it takes, the better it probably is for Sancho’s future as a football player. No need to speculate on if he will be back in the near future.

And instead of calling it some odd inflation or mono or whatever — like it’s some kind of shameful thing, it just helps others to call it what it is.
 
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I was heard a doctor for a football national team claim that at least 90% of all cases of glandular fever were some sort of burnout.
 
I may have contributed to him coming off social media. After one of the many lackluster performances, I couldn't bare it anymore, so went on Insta and DMed him the below comment, which was posted by a user on here

"He just hasn't got that inner drive needed to thrive at a club like United, he's too content with himself. One of the things that bugged me from the start with him and I posted it back then. He got the move of a lifetime to a huge club like United. He should have been eager to impress and had himself in top physical condition for the start of the season. Instead, he accepted an extended holiday and returned to the club totally out of shape. Even Maguire and Shaw returned to training before him that summer and they played almost every minute of the Euros. Grealish was even back in time for the Community shield for City. Sancho should have been back early for preseason eager to impress last year but instead, he shows up out of shape. That winning drive just isn't his nature. He'll 100% never succeed here."

"You gotta be better man, make us eat our words"

I do hope he turns it around but currently, looks like he lacks the physicality and mentality needed to be a success for Man united, in the premier league.

:lol: WTF?!
 
You people's over reaction is actually something else. Firstly, highly unlikely he'll even see it, as most of these accounts are handled by social media managers.
Secondly, even if he does see it then so what? It's not an abusive comment. It's highly critical but not abusive. Its a call to action to wake the F up for a player from whom much is expected yet so little has been delivered.
Just out of curiosity, why the hell there was any need for you to post that message here? Announcing your idiocy to the whole forum. How wonderful. I wish I could appreciate your honesty because to some extent I feel for you given the amount of criticism that came your way but don’t you just make stupid decisions for fun.
 
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Why is it — IMO — not wrong to speculate on this?

Because this is all made up. I mean it might be true but who the hell knows? It's kind of not our business and does nothing to support him.
 
Because this is all made up. I mean it might be true but who the hell knows? It's kind of not our business and does nothing to support him.

I get what you mean, but is it that difference from a broken leg?

Perhaps it is. I am not sure.
 
I may have contributed to him coming off social media. After one of the many lackluster performances, I couldn't bare it anymore, so went on Insta and DMed him the below comment, which was posted by a user on here

"He just hasn't got that inner drive needed to thrive at a club like United, he's too content with himself. One of the things that bugged me from the start with him and I posted it back then. He got the move of a lifetime to a huge club like United. He should have been eager to impress and had himself in top physical condition for the start of the season. Instead, he accepted an extended holiday and returned to the club totally out of shape. Even Maguire and Shaw returned to training before him that summer and they played almost every minute of the Euros. Grealish was even back in time for the Community shield for City. Sancho should have been back early for preseason eager to impress last year but instead, he shows up out of shape. That winning drive just isn't his nature. He'll 100% never succeed here."

"You gotta be better man, make us eat our words"

I do hope he turns it around but currently, looks like he lacks the physicality and mentality needed to be a success for Man united, in the premier league.
Wow look at me I DM’d a Utd player with abuse . You’re a grown man apparently let that sink in for a few hours
 
Wow look at me I DM’d a Utd player with abuse . You’re a grown man apparently let that sink in for a few hours

I mean it's weird to DM a player that but nothing he said is abusive.

It's criticism and a call to action. Not an ounce of abuse in it.
 
I get what you mean, but is it that difference from a broken leg?

Perhaps it is. I am not sure.

Yes it is because of the stigma unfairly attached to mental illness. It's not anyone's place to say this stigma should be ignored unless they're talking about their own experiences.
 
Yes it is because of the stigma unfairly attached to mental illness. It's not anyone's place to say this stigma should be ignored unless they're talking about their own experiences.

At the same time, isn’t the stigma there anyway in this situation?

I am not saying that my opinion is right or others are wrong. I don’t think I got the best feel for these type of things. But I do wonder how fast that stigma would blow over if this was discussed like any other injury. ‘Sancho tested training this morning, but there were still some increased levels of anxiety. It’s day-to-day.’

It is 2022. What is the difference between a burnout and pulled hamstring? Or shin splints? There is none.

But if it would be disrespectful for Sancho to do that, increase the stigma, I take your word for it.
 
So absolutely nothing new in this thread then.
 
Just out of curiosity, why the hell there was any need for you to post that message here? Announcing your idiocy to the whole forum. How wonderful. I wish I could appreciate your honesty because to some extent I feel for you given the amount of criticism that came your way but don’t you just make stupid decisions for fun.
Again another attempt at an insult. I posted it because I just don't see it as as huge deal as evidently most of you do. Keep on with the silly insults if you want. End of the day, I know what's in my heart and what I hope for united players. The idea of me being a toxic fan doesn't even exist in my reality. Read my previous comments on here and you'll get an idea of what kind of fan I am. I don't have to justify myself to nobody.
 
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