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Sancho won’t return to Man Utd until he's ready - Way too much inappropriate speculation.
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Yes, environmental issues can play a part but mental illness is much deeper than that. It could go as far back as a childhood trauma, prenatal damage or a number of other things. It only takes a trigger to set it off.
Mental illness is a disease. It can't be cured by changing jobs or moving locations. It's like saying you can stop cancer by moving house. No matter where you go or what yoh do it will still be there.
Some mental illnesses have been linked to abnormal functioning of nerve cell circuits or pathways that connect particular brain regions. Like many other diseases, Mental illnesses can also be heredity.
The biggest problem with MH is mockery thats attached to it as well as the amount of people who claim to suffer from it but don't. It dilutes the seriousness of the illness and makes those who do suffer from it hide it until they either kill themselves or eventually seek help.
Has anyone even said he has a mental illness? I thought Ten Hag said he wasn't physically or mentally ready despite being good at the very start of the pre-season and start of our season. It could just be he isn't putting the same effort in? Bit disillusioned? Slight injury? Loss of confidence, not sure why people jump to mentally ill
This thread is like Wimbledon Common, full of Wombles.
I would agree wholeheartedly with this. It’s just about supporting the club and supporting the player. I don’t get all the ‘hate’ our own fans give our own players.
My butt however, has no thoughts or feelings on the matter.
This post is like being taken back to an awareness of mental health issues from the 1990’s.
Great points. I guess it's always happened at all clubs, nobody has robots playing for them.
I don't know if I'm reading too much into the nuance between the words 'mentality' and 'mental(ly)'.
Mentality to me suggests more of a confidence loss rather than something you could go to a doctor and be formally diagnosed with.
I imagine depression would be a common condition for players who feel they're not achieving or are struggling after a long term injury.
We've always had players with very public and complex personalities - Best, McGrath, Eric, Robbo and who can forget the scummy tabloid photo of Roy Keane with an anger management book on Ireland's ill fated world Cup.
Then outside our club, look at Merson, Tony Adams,
I admit I did feel a bit of wariness that maybe the club would look to move him on somehow as the money and stakes involved are so high that they may see ruthlessness as the only option.
I don't agree though and think this is a novel and decent way to tailor a treatment for him, that alone should give him a lift.
So true that mental health isn't a new thing at all, just in the same way soldiers were shot due to 'lack of moral fibre' or institutionalised for 'shellshock' in WWI.
I even see it now in the Muslim community where suicide is really not talked about. Business failures and inflation have caused a lot of despair just the same as in every walk of life and it's a global tragedy when statistically more people die by their own hand than by war now, and that's never happened before since such records ever existed.
Really hope everyone gets behind him because if he'd broken his leg (God forbid) we wouldn't be launching into a load of criticism.
I also do think having such a huge contract at such an early stage is a factor for his problems imo.
Maybe it's not that serious with mental health but attitude, and its a fat loss and fitness boot camp....
I don't know if he's having mental health issues obviously, but my take is this;
the step up physically in the PL was bigger than he expected, and that's impacted his performances and now his confidence also
being out of the team means he's not going to get too many chances to prove himself.. which again compounds the problem and will likely impact his confidence even further
on the current trajectory he's not going to make it here, so something needed to change
ETH has recognised all this and sent him away to work on his strength and stamina, and of course being a forward in an ETH team these attributes are important because you need to press
given we're stacked at LW compared to any other position, and had the world cup, we do have the opportunity to do this.. so I think it's a good idea personally
whether it helps or not, only time will tell
the step up physically in the PL was bigger than he expected, and that's impacted his performances and now his confidence also
being out of the team means he's not going to get too many chances to prove himself.. which again compounds the problem and will likely impact his confidence even further
on the current trajectory he's not going to make it here, so something needed to change
ETH has recognised all this and sent him away to work on his strength and stamina, and of course being a forward in an ETH team these attributes are important because you need to press
given we're stacked at LW compared to any other position, and had the world cup, we do have the opportunity to do this.. so I think it's a good idea personally
whether it helps or not, only time will tell
Majority of people aren't ready to have reasonable discussions about anything involving mental health. Far too easily triggered. That phrase encapsulates infinite potential issues, amd since we don't really know anything specific there's little progress to be made.
Speculation is one thing, getting angry or defensive or forming concrete opinions based on speculation is pointless.
Let's hope whatever is affecting Sancho is not too serious, and let's also hope that people don't now forever label him as being soft or damaged or whatever else people normally do.
And, also a Finger. Or so I'm told.
The Caf loves a label. Are they the new Ole inners or outers?
What are you talking about? If the job or location they're moving into is the cause, or at least trigger it, then you don't just stay there or still doing that job. Move to other places or changing job IS the first step, then deal with the root cause.
For years, he's fine doing the same job at Dortmund. And now IF playing for United cause/trigger his MH, then there's a first step solution for that.
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fanboi, matchgoers, armchairs, haters, etc. They're littered all over the Caf.
Sorry if that label makes people feel uncomfortable. I won't use that anymore.
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It's not the cause. It could be adding to it but it's not the cause.
Mental Health follows you, you can't magic it away by finding a new job or moving to a different country. It's an incurable disease.
It's like having a heart condition or diabetes. It's staggering how many people don't understand this.
Good job he's not on £350k a week then isn't it!!
I just flipped my wife the bird on your recommendation and she slapped me. You are not to be trusted!
I apologise. It seems we have both been victims of misinformation here. That's the digital age for you.I just flipped my wife the bird on your recommendation and she slapped me. You are not to be trusted!
I can't quite make up my mind if this is extremely weird, extremely worrying or extremely reassuring.
A good player who has to nip off to another country to train on his own with some expert in order to rediscover his physical and mental form?
I can't off the top of my head think of a single similar case. What's this, a Rocky movie? You wonder if they're just soft-glossing some kind of really bad situation. And then you kind of hope that it's actually EtH having the sort of extraordinary visionary insight to do something so unconventional and that it'll end up fixing a player who maybe has some mental stuff to overcome, and needs to work on some physical stuff to get to his best level. In other words, that it is what they present it as being. That would awesome, and extraordinary.
A good player who has to nip off to another country to train on his own with some expert in order to rediscover his physical and mental form?
I can't off the top of my head think of a single similar case. What's this, a Rocky movie? You wonder if they're just soft-glossing some kind of really bad situation. And then you kind of hope that it's actually EtH having the sort of extraordinary visionary insight to do something so unconventional and that it'll end up fixing a player who maybe has some mental stuff to overcome, and needs to work on some physical stuff to get to his best level. In other words, that it is what they present it as being. That would awesome, and extraordinary.
I think I would tend to be in this camp, I fear it might be ETH's way of saying, "you are no use to me as you are lad, go off on your own with one of my specialists and when you come back you will know what its all about and all the words to the company song"... we all attack together and defend together!
Right if you say so. Too bad you ain't got any counter points to make a case for Sancho suffering from mental health instead of simply not being up to task to play for us.
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I wonder if Ten Hag is secretly having him retrained as a RB/RWB?!
It’s strange you give Sancho abuse yet you won’t have a bad thing said about Maguire.
The definition of an agenda against a player if there ever was.
Get over yourself. I didn’t say that Sancho does or doesn’t have mental health, nor did I make any comment about his performance. Your notion that the Euros was 2 years ago and that Rashford and Saka coping fine is evidence that perhaps Sancho doesn’t have mental health issues is an archaic view of mental health. The fact that that even formed a basis for your assessment of Sancho is what my comment was about. I sincerely hope you educate yourself, which is regardless of Sancho.
Won't be long and this lot will have us holding candlelight vigils at old Trafford every time a player gets demoted.
I think that is possible. The Dumfries interest suggests they want more offense on that right side to pair with Antony. So maybe this is endurance training to see if he can do it. Or that plus intensive defensive training because the moment Dalot comes off the pitch that right side dips precipitously in defense.I wonder if Ten Hag is secretly having him retrained as a RB/RWB?!
Our background checks on him didn’t pick up any issues then?
We literally had years to undertake them.
We literally had years to undertake them.
I'm no expert, far from itn but are some of you confusing a poor attitude with mental health issues.
Nah a lot of people are confusing knowing feck all with knowing everything.
Well, at least he's not injured. Brings up a whole new definition of being a sick note to what we are used to
Nailed it
I''m sorry when did Sancho receive bomb threats and people making countless videos mocking his performances and making meme's out of him? I must have missed it, please refresh my memory....
I mentioned the time period because the poster tried to link racial abuse which was shared through 3 players to mental illness. There's a host of black players who been on the receiving end of racial abuse through the last decade, they did not suddenly develop mental illness and I can reel of the long list of names if you want. But If you've undergone a case study linking racial abuse on the terraces to mental illness let me know so I can ''educate'' myself
I would agree wholeheartedly with this. It’s just about supporting the club and supporting the player. I don’t get all the ‘hate’ our own fans give our own players.
My butt however, has no thoughts or feelings on the matter.
Just wait until Strootman's Finger's uninvited up your back passage.
They are nothing alike.
See Stephen "tWitch" Boss for a barely-day-old example of how mentality and mental health dont need to exist in the same stratosphere.
This is very bluecollar welldriller mentality of you.
That's the correct position considering we have very few of the details.
The fact no other club contested the transfer speaks volumes though.
We literally had a two year free run at him.
All this speculation and for all we know ETH just simply isn’t impressed and has put him to work.
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