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orangeboom999 said:
I want to ressurect this thread. What do people think now we're nearing the end of the season. For me I'm a firm believer that we need 4 strikers.
Rooney is no1 for me, RVP and Falcao should make way. I believe we should buy a topdraw forward (a la Muller) but I think this lad would do a job as a 3rd choice whilst giving a different option (speed). Reminds me of a very raw Saha. Wilson would be fourth for me.
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I don't think we need four strikers when we're going to play a 4-3-3. I'm happy with Rooney, Van Persie and Wilson really (although I'm in the minority here).
 
We've already signed him.

He's a decent prospect I think, but I'm not sure how high is potential ceiling is.
 
It's weird how the rumours about him have died now all of the sudden.
 
orangeboom999 said:
I feel like we need a different option for when things aren't going to plan. But I get what your saying about having 3 in a 4-3-3
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My concern really is that, since Rooney is seemingly undroppable, if we signed a new striker we might end up shoehorning Rooney into midfield.

I don't want us to play the sort of top heavy mess we were at the start of the season. Trying to get Falcao, Rooney and Van Persie all on the pitch didn't work for us. Even if we replaced Falcao with someone better I still think we'd ultimately suffer for it by having to mess about with the formation.
 
I quite like him, but don't think he's the player we need and we aren't the club he needs. He needs to play more than we can offer. Surely Liverpool must be looking at him? I'd say he's much more suited to them than Balo and Lambert.
 
i think berahino needs another season with WBA. he does look good but a bit raw. another season like this and maybe he could be ready to make a move.

the plus point if he is good enough is that he is a united fan.
 
Cee90 said:
We've already signed him.

He's a decent prospect I think, but I'm not sure how high is potential ceiling is.
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O excellent. Berahino and Danny Ings as our new look strikeforce to send tremors down the spine of Real Madrid and Bayern Munich. :rolleyes:
 
Is this the Real Madrid who are playing one of our dropouts as their striker at the moment?

Besides we have a job to catch up with teams in England right now. Barca, Bayern and Real are at a different level at the moment.
 
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MyOnlySolskjaer said:
Rooney, Van Persie, Wilson, Depay

No real need if you ask me, the latter two providing some great speed although Depay primarily being a left winger.
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Rooney and Van Persie are not good enough, do not look at the name.. look at their performances. Wilson I am not too sure about, he is decent but does he have the game to come in as a starter and 100% make it here.. I don't think we can be sure of that and as for Depay, he is a winger and irrelevant to that group of players.

We definitely need a top drawer, pacey energetic forward.. most of them are tied up so we need to take a punt on someone who can become a star but has all the attributes we seek in a modern day top striker.

Not saying it is Berahino but he is definitely more suitable than Rooney, RVP or someone like Harry Kane for me. He can create goals out of nothing and is a livewire.

Definitely need to be in for a striker or two this summer, Rooney needs to be benched if we want to progress as a side, his inability to take players on regularly, hold the ball up consistently and the lack of fear he puts into defenders is not good enough.. he is better than RVP and Falcao, but that is hardly an achievement. Relegation clubs wouldn't even want those two up top.
 
Right so Rooney is definitely not good enough, but Berahino or Wilson might be.

Relegation teams wouldn't want Rooney up front.

O.....K.....
 
Now is the time for him to leave I think with Pulis edging WBA closer to Stoke mkII. Seems an ambitious and restless character but I think he would be more suited to Liverpool or Arsenal, though Arsenal may be looking for someone better having already taken Welbeck.
 
sincher said:
Right so Rooney is definitely not good enough, but Berahino or Wilson might be.

Relegation teams wouldn't want Rooney up front.

O.....K.....
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Relegation teams wouldn't want RVP and Falcao - it was worded quite clearly in terms of who I was referring to.. well the RVP comment was tongue in cheek (if he can stay fit, he can definitely play in a slower league for a decent side) but Falcao is shite.

Rooney is definitely good enough to play for us as a backup striker, just not as a leading striker for me.
 
Raees said:
Relegation teams wouldn't want RVP and Falcao - it was worded quite clearly in terms of who I was referring to.. well the RVP comment was tongue in cheek (if he can stay fit, he can definitely play in a slower league for a decent side) but Falcao is shite.

Rooney is definitely good enough to play for us as a backup striker, just not as a leading striker for me.
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Well it's either Rooney up front or Rooney in midfield. We won't drop our captain so replacing him up front would be stupid.
 
Rooney as a striker has been a breath of fresh air with his movement, finishing and ruthlessness. You can put Costa/Kane or whoever in our system and they'll struggle to deliver the same output. The only striker in the league I'd ever swap him for is Aguero.

There's a lack of creativity in our side not poor finishing and I hope the injection of pace from Depay and Di Maria on the flanks can resolve that.

Ludicrous statement to say he's a backup at best, he's a real leader as well, something we really lack without him.

Don't confuse Rooney the midfielder for Rooney the striker.
 
It's certainly some feat to look at United this season in all the various areas that we've struggled, and think the way to fix it is to make Rooney a backup.
 
finneh said:
Well it's either Rooney up front or Rooney in midfield. We won't drop our captain so replacing him up front would be stupid.
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Couldn't give a flying feck if he is captain. He isn't good enough to lead a side looking to make a mark in Europe and capture the title, he needs to be on the bench. He could still be very influential during a campaign as no guarantee our main striker would stay fit.

A backup striker is his best role, keep him out of midfield.
 
Raees said:
Couldn't give a flying feck if he is captain. He isn't good enough to lead a side looking to make a mark in Europe and capture the title, he needs to be on the bench. He could still be very influential during a campaign as no guarantee our main striker would stay fit.

A backup striker is his best role, keep him out of midfield.
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Whether that's true or not is irrelevant. Van Gaal isn't going to demote his £250k a week captain to backup striker.

MyOnlySolskjaer said:
Rooney as a striker has been a breath of fresh air with his movement, finishing and ruthlessness. You can put Costa/Kane or whoever in our system and they'll struggle to deliver the same output. The only striker in the league I'd ever swap him for is Aguero.

There's a lack of creativity in our side not poor finishing and I hope the injection of pace from Depay and Di Maria on the flanks can resolve that.

Ludicrous statement to say he's a backup at best, he's a real leader as well, something we really lack without him.

Don't confuse Rooney the midfielder for Rooney the striker.
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I disagree with this, he's been alright at best. He isn't at the level of Lewandowski, Aguero, Benzema, Suarez, Neymar (let alone Messi/Ronaldo) etc and that's what we need to if are to break into the Madrid/Barcelona/Bayern group again. However we have much bigger priorities at the moment and having a great striker up front, rather than just a good one isn't a priority. Not only this but paying a good striker £250k a week to be a backup would be stupid.

Lets bear in mind his ratings on here as a striker these last 11 games have been: 7.1, 6.9, 6.6, 8.2, 5.3, 7.2, 6.7, 6, 4.1, 3.8, 5.2. An average rating of 6.1 and only scoring 5 is hardly "a breath of fresh air", particularly when our best team performances have fell during this period. He's also been awarded merely 2 man of the matches this season: one in midfield and one up front.

He isn't a consistently great striker, that much is clear.
 
finneh said:
Whether that's true or not is irrelevant. Van Gaal isn't going to demote his £250k a week captain to backup striker.
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LVG does not give a shite about who is getting paid what. He looked at the resources available to him and realised in this limited squad, Rooney is a king amongst thieves and we needed to put him at the forefront to drag us through to the top 4 spot.

Now that mission is accomplished and he has the money for a rebuild, I don't see him being loyal to Rooney especially if Rooney doesn't perform next season. In fact he hasn't had much faith in Rooney as a striker to begin with and it was only RVP/Falcao's dire output which made him push Wayne back up top.

I expect another striker to come in and once it becomes apparent that Rooney isn't at the races, I expect him to be benched unless of course he earns his place in the side. LVG only indulges players for a purpose, if we have better players than Rooney next year.. he will not be indulged in my opinion.
 
Raees said:
LVG does not give a shite about who is getting paid what. He looked at the resources available to him and realised in this limited squad, Rooney is a king amongst thieves and we needed to put him at the forefront to drag us through to the top 4 spot.

Now that mission is accomplished and he has the money for a rebuild, I don't see him being loyal to Rooney especially if Rooney doesn't perform next season. In fact he hasn't had much faith in Rooney as a striker to begin with and it was only RVP/Falcao's dire output which made him push Wayne back up top.

I expect another striker to come in and once it becomes apparent that Rooney isn't at the races, I expect him to be benched unless of course he earns his place in the side. LVG only indulges players for a purpose, if we have better players than Rooney next year.. he will not be indulged in my opinion.
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I think you'll be hugely disappointed then. Van Gaal came in and firmly pegged his mast into Rooney's corner. He made him the captain and said his captain always plays regardless. He's played every game he's been fit for this season in basically any position he could be shoehorned into playing. No chance he strips him of the captaincy and benches him.

If Rooney isn't playing up front he'll play behind the striker or in midfield, there's no chance he gets demoted to an impact player for the next 2-3 years.

My prediction: We go into next season with Rooney, RVP & Wilson as our 3 main strikers and Rooney plays tough games as a lone striker and easier games behind RVP. Dependent on injuries and form to RVP he scores his standard 15-20 goals and next Summer we look for a replacement for RVP (unless we see a huge upturn in form), whilst Rooney remains first choice.
 
MyOnlySolskjaer said:
Rooney, Van Persie, Wilson, Depay

No real need if you ask me, the latter two providing some great speed although Depay primarily being a left winger.
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If Wilson is ever going to make it here, I think he needs to go out on loan and play regularly. I think RVP might be moved on as well.
 
finneh said:
I disagree with this, he's been alright at best. He isn't at the level of Lewandowski, Aguero, Benzema, Suarez, Neymar (let alone Messi/Ronaldo) etc and that's what we need to if are to break into the Madrid/Barcelona/Bayern group again. However we have much bigger priorities at the moment and having a great striker up front, rather than just a good one isn't a priority. Not only this but paying a good striker £250k a week to be a backup would be stupid.

Lets bear in mind his ratings on here as a striker these last 11 games have been: 7.1, 6.9, 6.6, 8.2, 5.3, 7.2, 6.7, 6, 4.1, 3.8, 5.2. An average rating of 6.1 and only scoring 5 is hardly "a breath of fresh air", particularly when our best team performances have fell during this period. He's also been awarded merely 2 man of the matches this season: one in midfield and one up front.

He isn't a consistently great striker, that much is clear.
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If you're really going to stoop to analysing his performance and ability as a striker via Caf ratings, at least do the bear minimum of selecting the games which he was actually a striker and not in midfield.

3.8 West Brom, 4.1 Everton, 6 Chelsea

Notice how his worst performances and the teams worst performances are when he is in midfield according to caf ratings. Indeed we lost every game.

7.2 Sunderland, 5.3 Liverpool, 6.7 City, 8.2 Tottenham, 6.6 Arsenal, 6.9 Newcastle, 7.2 Aston Villa

Ratings which I believe to be thoroughly harsh due to being "Rooney" but nevertheless, notice how when you actually look at the ratings of him as a striker we've won every single game on here except Arsenal which he still contributed by scoring. Even in his poor performances i.e. Newcastle he showed hard work and determinism and created a goal out of nothing for Ashley Young, tell me another striker in the league that would do what he did in the 90th minute of that season defining moment against Newcastle.

People like you underestimate his value, is he "a breath of fresh air" to the likes of Falcao and Van Persie? You're god damn right he is. Perhaps he isn't the best looking striker or the most morally culpable man there is off the pitch but if there's one man I trust to give a shift for our club and give their all on the pitch, it's this man.

Yes there are better strikers in the world out there but I find it ludicrous how when we've got so many other areas to improve yet people point to Rooney, he's one of the last things we should even consider replacing at this point of time. Okay let's say we drop him and sell him. He's a leader off the pitch and you tell me another player we have that's capable of playing 38 games in the season and offering the same leadership that Rooney does. Surely we can't put a £30m bid for experience and leadership.

PS: Goodluck to any of our players getting Man of the Match when we have De Gea saving us most of the time.
 
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MyOnlySolskjaer said:
If you're really going to stoop to analysing his performance and ability as a striker via Caf ratings, at least do the bear minimum of selecting the games which he was actually a striker and not in midfield.

3.8 West Brom, 4.1 Everton, 6 Chelsea

Notice how his worst performances and the teams worst performances are when he is in midfield according to caf ratings. Indeed we lost every game.

7.2 Sunderland, 5.3 Liverpool, 6.7 City, 8.2 Tottenham, 6.6 Arsenal, 6.9 Newcastle, 7.2 Aston Villa

Ratings which I believe to be thoroughly harsh due to being "Rooney" but nevertheless, notice how when you actually look at the ratings of him as a striker we've won every single game on here except Arsenal which he still contributed by scoring. Even in his poor performances i.e. Newcastle he showed hard work and determinism and created a goal out of nothing for Ashley Young, tell me another striker in the league that would do what he did in the 90th minute of that season defining moment against Newcastle.

People like you underestimate his value, is he "a breath of fresh air" to the likes of Falcao and Van Persie? You're god damn right he is. Perhaps he isn't the best looking striker or the most morally culpable man there is off the pitch but if there's one man I trust to give a shift for our club and give their all on the pitch, it's this man.

Yes there are better strikers in the world out there but I find it ludicrous how when we've got so many other areas to improve yet people point to Rooney, he's one of the last things we should even consider replacing at this point of time. Okay let's say we drop him and sell him. He's a leader off the pitch and you tell me another player we have that's capable of playing 38 games in the season and offering the same leadership that Rooney does. Surely we can't put a £30m bid for experience and leadership.

PS: Goodluck to any of our players getting Man of the Match when we have De Gea saving us most of the time.
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Rooney played up front against Everton for the majority of the match so I'm unsure why you want to discount that awful performance. The point still stands: he has been generally poor-decent playing as a striker or a midfielder this season.

If our criteria for "a breath of fresh air" is not completely terrible then we better all prepare for hard times. Wilson likewise has been a breathe of fresh air compared to Falcao in his limited opportunities, but no-one is arguing that he should our number 1 striker.

As I said replacing Rooney is not a priority; he isn't a great striker but there are far more pressing concerns. I disagree that he is a great leader but that's just my personal opinion: moaning to the ref at every opportunity isn't leadership. I certainly haven't seen him grab a game by the scruff of the neck and lead by example ala Keane this season when things aren't going well. Actually Rooney has the none-captain like quality of dropping his head and acting petulant when things aren't going for him.

In terms of man of the match awards you are patently wrong. De Gea has won man of the match 7 times, Herrera 4 times, Fellaini 3 times, Young 3 times, Blind 3 times, Smalling 3 times, Di Maria 3 times, Jones twice, Mata twice, Shaw twice, Rooney twice. That along with his 6 rating illustrate his importance to the team this year.

Rooney hasn't been a standout player in any position or by any criteria this season.
 
All the talk of big players but sometimes it's guys like this who can be the best business. We thought Falcao would work, it didn't, maybe a punt on this guy will go the other way and he would just take to it.

Not my main choice but not against it.
 
He's a far, far better choice than Ings. I don't want either, but if I had to take one, it would be Berahino.

Still, just buy Lacazette, Louis, you know it makes sense!
 
I would be happy if we got him. The English quota be nicely filled and if we actually buy a creator from midfield; alongside di maria performing and Memphis being the player we hope him to be, I'd imagine hed get a lot more goals, as he seems to do a lot on his own for West brim, IMO. Albeit I'm only a match of the day watcher of wba
 
Berahino's finishing is top class. I would not have a problem if LvG decides to take a chance on him.
 
Keeps It tidy said:
He was great Monday night. Still do not think he is good enough for this club.
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I thought the same thing about Dwight Yorke before we signed him. PL fans are never willing to give domestic players from outside the top 6 a chance.
 
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