Or when Joe Cole told them West ham fans he was staying and ended up at Chelsea the month after.
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Or when Joe Cole told them West ham fans he was staying and ended up at Chelsea the month after.
Always thought that if they play in separate European competitions, they can't represent their new club if their old club also qualify to the group stages. May be wrong then!
I would have thought that would only apply if he plays in a Europa match not just a qualifier, even then I'm not sure that cup ties him? I'm not an expert, ignore me.
Na it's two different competitions, so it wouldn't have any barring otherwise most players who move to champions league teams in January would be cup tied.
Can't think of an example of the top but sure there are plenty.
As a rule, a player may not play in a UEFA club competition (i.e. UEFA Champions League and UEFA Europa League, but not UEFA Super Cup) for more than one club in the course of the same season. Exceptionally, however, a player who has been fielded in the first, second, third qualifying round or the play-offs of the UEFA Champions League or UEFA Europa League is entitled to play in the UEFA Champions League or UEFA Europa League for another club as from the group stage. Moreover, as from the start of the round of 16, a player can be registered in accordance with Paragraph 44.01 to Paragraph 44.04. A substitute player who has not been fielded is entitled to play for another club competing in the UEFA Champions League or UEFA Europa League in the course of the same season, provided that he is registered with the UEFA administration in accordance with the present regulations.
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On a side note just how fecking good is Ward prowse on set pieces, every single free kick /corner is amazing
I feel sorry for Southampton. They do really well each season and seme to be the most destroyed club each season.
How many of their big players is that who have gone in the last 2 seasons?
Shaw
Lalala
Schneiderlin
Clyne
Lovren
Now possibly Mane and Wanyama too.
How many of their big players is that who have gone in the last 2 seasons?
Shaw
Lalala
Schneiderlin
Clyne
Lovren
Now possibly Mane and Wanyama too.
Chambers too.
To be fair, Lambert was no great loss considering Pelle was an upgrade.
That's how football works, they also bought a lot of these players from smaller clubs
Next summer itll be Ward-Prowse
I'm happy to trust the manager on this one, most people on here have been crying out for pace and menace from our wings for ages now, seems many aren't happy unless the players we're linked with are all household names of the world class and proven variety, since when have United had that kind of elite player in every position in the starting 11?
Never. And look at the success we've had over the last two decades.
How many people knew of or had ever heard of Kanchelskis for example, before we signed him.
Pedro is gone done and dusted, Mane looks more than decent to me and we want a nucleus of good young players so that the next man after Van Gaal doesn't have to rebuild the whole team all over again because everyone is too old.
We've made 4 really good signings this summer, my Jury is out on Romero thus far, and yes we still need a CB and a Striker but you can't be too greedy and get it all in one big shop! We're a bloody good team as it is, and we will play some excellent stuff this season, Mane could be a part of that, and then we. Shop again in January but more. Likely next summer.
Never. And look at the success we've had over the last two decades.
How many people knew of or had ever heard of Kanchelskis for example, before we signed him.
Pedro is gone done and dusted, Mane looks more than decent to me and we want a nucleus of good young players so that the next man after Van Gaal doesn't have to rebuild the whole team all over again because everyone is too old.
We've made 4 really good signings this summer, my Jury is out on Romero thus far, and yes we still need a CB and a Striker but you can't be too greedy and get it all in one big shop! We're a bloody good team as it is, and we will play some excellent stuff this season, Mane could be a part of that, and then we. Shop again in January but more. Likely next summer.
Montero? The Swansea player?
Montero ?
Thing is they've kind of got to accept their position here. My dad is a Southampton fan (yeah he's always been gutted that I went with my grandfathers team) and I do feel desperately sorry for them.
They've got this outstanding academy that would have them winning titles if nobody could sign players! And isn't that what football used to be about? By that I'm talking a while ago.
Just think... Bale, Walcott, Oxlaid-Chamberlain, Chambers, Schneiderlin, Lallana, Lovren, Lambert, Shaw and Clyne! And that's all that comes to mind straight away. And to be fair most of those came through their academy.
But they aren't a big club. I've seen on the BBC feed tonight a Southampton fan claim they must keep hold of Mane if they want to show ambition. And of course he's not wrong but we are Manchester United! We come calling and usually players flock. They can't compete with us in that respect. What they do though is scout and replace!
They've got this outstanding academy that would have them winning titles if nobody could sign players! And isn't that what football used to be about? By that I'm talking a while ago.
Just think... Bale, Walcott, Oxlaid-Chamberlain, Chambers, Schneiderlin, Lallana, Lovren, Lambert, Shaw and Clyne! And that's all that comes to mind straight away. And to be fair most of those came through their academy.
But they aren't a big club. I've seen on the BBC feed tonight a Southampton fan claim they must keep hold of Mane if they want to show ambition. And of course he's not wrong but we are Manchester United! We come calling and usually players flock. They can't compete with us in that respect. What they do though is scout and replace!
Southampton have been so unlucky in this game, they have battered their opponents
To be fair, they were poor against Everton. They looked extremely suspect at the back without Alderweireld and Yoshida is nowhere near that level. Their midfield also looked very pedestrian; they badly need Clasie back in there.
My initial thoughts too. Although wages would be much lower and he is a lot younger.
If they'd kept everyone they'd be title contenders.
---------Pelle------------ (Mane, Lambert)
Lallana-Bale-Chamberlain (Tadic, Rodriguez)
-Wanyama-Schneiderlin- (Clasie)
Shaw---------------Clyne (Bertrand, Soares)
---Alderweild--Fonte---- (Lovren, Chambers)
----------Forster--------- (Boruc)
Defensively very solid. Bale would need to be outstanding but considering they could shuffle around the attackers with him until he was, I don't see why he wouldn't be.
Watching him here and he's played like Nani Mk.2. Inconsistent.
Think Mane is more suited to the PL than Nani. From what I've seen, he definitely stays on his feet a lot more.
I think if we do sign him, which I don't actually see happening, I think it could be a very shrewd signing. He could be extremely effective in our system. It does look as if all we're really missing in our attack is some more pace (as well as a goalscoring threat).
What really is the biggest negative about Mane is the AFCON.
I think if we do sign him, which I don't actually see happening, I think it could be a very shrewd signing. He could be extremely effective in our system. It does look as if all we're really missing in our attack is some more pace (as well as a goalscoring threat).
What really is the biggest negative about Mane is the AFCON.
Walcott > Pelle
Started off lively, but was pretty poor in the second half.
Like Depay and Di Maria. Its almost as if most wingers are inconsistant bar the top 2 or 3 and it shouldnt just be Nani that gets slated for it
Very poor tonight.
If you want a consistent winger, you buy Matt Jarvis or Stuart fecking Downing.
Consistently shit?
If we are ready to spend in excess of 20M £ pounds for him then one thing is certain that we didn’t haggle around for the buy out clause for Pedro. Either for some reason LvG didn’t want him or he preferred going to Chelsea (due to valdez, DDG situation or London life)
Koeman suggesting we're fabricating stuff and feeding it to the press.
Insinuating that... we're doing this to save face regarding the pedro deal?
I don't think Southampton will let him go.
It's possible. We've obviously briefed the press about it right after the Pedro deal fell through... But I don't get how this is saving face in any way...
Anyhow, we're not getting him. Southampton won't sell this summer.
No, we backed out mostly because Salzburg wanted more money that we were willing to spend on him.
The interest in Mané first flared up when Blaszczykowski´s future was uncertain by a torn ACL and Hofmann could not back up his promising games as joker when he started. We had a pretty set front four at that time with Reus-Mkhitaryan-Aubameyang-Lewandowski (there was no real indication of Aubameyang moving towards the CF position at that point), but lacked some quality cover at that time aside of the promising youngster Jojic. So we took a look at Mané, which made sense given how much Klopp valued pace.
As far as I understood the initial plan was to replace Hofmann, who would be loaned out to develop, with Mané to bolster the depth in the offensive line. In the end Salzburg wanted 16-18 Mil. € for him, which was not a sum we were ready to pay for a squad player with an outside chance of becoming a starter. Hofmann also impressed in the pre season, which led Klopp to plan with him for the next season. This changed instantly when the opportunity of signing Kagawa came up, though.
I have only seen Mané play for Southampton a handful of times in the last season, but what I saw did not change my initial impression of him at Salzburg:
He kinda comes across as a bit of a street footballer, a trickster who would use his strong acceleration to often get the better of defenders (especially in the Austrian league). His style made him sometimes look like a genius when his tricks worked but it was also quite erratic and often his strong individual scenes did not produce much. This made him overall quite inconsistent.
Now, I do think that Mané could offer quite a bit to a lot of teams. His unpredictability could be useful as impact player to catch an opposing team off guard. I do not see him as a constant figure of a top team, though. For that he simply lacks too much in terms of decision making. A lot of players have the necessary skills to make defenders look like scrubs, but they also know that a simple pass could be the much better action at the right time. This is something I miss about him, to use his skills in a very effective manner.
This is a stark contrast to Pedro, who is a way more straight forward player with a great work rate and selfless style. You know exactly what you get with him. Solid 8/10 performances across the board, not so often above but also very rarely below that.
Now, the most important question is if United would need what Mané has to offer? I don´t think so given that they have with Januzaj and Pereira two players who also still have a bit of that youthful cheekiness but overall more potential IMO.
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Great post.
probably true.
Agree with pretty much every word.
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