Sadio Mané
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Ya, scoring a hatrick in 2 minutes doesn't mean that he good enough for Manchester United. Neither is being better than Pelle and Tadic a stamp of quality.
Lingard once scored 4 goals in a game in the Championship.
He has pace but rest of his game is very erratic. He is very inconsistent and frustrating to watch. You cannot have a team with Depay and him on either side. Plus, hasn't he been played mostly on the left side for the Saints? He started on the left in every Saints game I have seen.
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This transfer news is all too much. I went to bed thinking Pedro was almost done and I wake up to find that Sadio Mane is now our target while Pedro has gone to Chelsea 
. Think I'll avoid the transfer forum and just be content with whatever happens. Too much stress involved 
. Think I'll avoid the transfer forum and just be content with whatever happens. Too much stress involved And now we want Mane?? Nice.
And Saints will be asking like 35M for this guy now that they think we are desperate.
And Saints will be asking like 35M for this guy now that they think we are desperate.
Saints fans i've spoke to say he can play all across the front, including no 10. There's no meter these days for who's 'good enough' for United. We've made low key signings in the past that have exceeded expectations, and most of our mega signings have been disappointments.
There is a meter, we signed 4 players this window who are good enough. A couple of big money signings failing doesn't mean that we should be averse to signing them in the future. I have no doubt we would be the first in line, if Bale, Mueller or Lewandoski somehow become available.
It's not about mega signings or small signings anyway, it's about the quality of the player, and Mane is not top quality.
I'm not saying Mane is a bad player, but one can't shake the feeling that he was third or fourth option at best, a relatively convenient purchase from a local club at this late stage of the transfer window. Maybe that's what a lot of people find off-putting, because objectively speaking, Mane is a good player, if not as good as Felipe Anderson, Reus or Griezmann. If not those, we could have had. Lucas Moura as part of the ADM deal. Had we been linked with Mane from the start, people might have viewed him differently. But as with the De Gea situation, people seem more dissatisfied with the way these particular transfers have been handled, rather than with Mane himself, who is not a bad player. One could argue that Darmian was second choice after Dani Alves fell through, but many (including myself) would picked Darmian ahead of the Brazilian. None of this is Mane's fault or course, and if he does sign he is more than capable of having a decent career here.
Being only 23, I wouldn't have a problem with this. I havn't seen him play on the right though which is where we need an attacking player the most. I would assume this means the Pedro talks have broken down or this would just be a backup in case we don't get him (or complete bs). I really want Pereira to get a proper chance which is my main concern with this.
Have you missed the Pedro to Chelsea story? United move is off.
I feel sick
Some rumours/tweets saying LvG pulled out of Pedro's race and turn to Mane's because of Pedro's lack of pace, or probably not as pacey, rapid as he used to be. Anyone that constantly watched Pedro last season, and during early this season, is that the case? LvG did have the chance to scout him first hand during pre-season, and let the scouts watched him during the few games after that.
Anyway, still feels weird that United would want to sign Mane. Hopefully this is just smokescreen, just like Alves, Clyne case for Darmian, or whoever for Schneiderlin.
Anyway, still feels weird that United would want to sign Mane. Hopefully this is just smokescreen, just like Alves, Clyne case for Darmian, or whoever for Schneiderlin.
I'd rather we play pereira
Why do people think we need smoke screens to sign other players?
Please Lord, let this be all lies and rumors.
28 pages?Are people really believing we're signing him?Not gonna happening imo.We leaked to the media about the bid last week that only us and Soton know whether it's true and so far Soton denied it.Right after we pulled out on Pedro.See the logic?
I suspect this is just something to feed the fans who're desperate to see some transfer activities (despite we already signed 5).
I suspect this is just something to feed the fans who're desperate to see some transfer activities (despite we already signed 5).
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30 games last season in the league, 10 goals including that infamous hattrick and 4 assists. Is he the goalscorer that LvG looking for? Arguably Mata, Herrera and others beside Rooney and Memphis are more creator than goalscorer in the team. Plus, he has that speed that others are lacking. Not sure about creativity side but 4 assists is not bad. Probably playing with better players might improve that stats, but will he improve United though?
For me, based on recent histories at least, Chelsea during their earlier Abramovich years, seemed to always go for United targets and was able to offer more money. Firstly, it was Duff, then Robben, then Essien, the Obi Mikel. It might just be theories but happened to often to be just theories. Might have some truth in there.
I don't think people know what 'smokescreen' means.
It's possible, however, that the Mane offer is a bluff to force negotiations for a different player.
Kind of like 'if you don't sell this mango to me for a fair price, I'll buy a mango at the other stall which all the scousers shop at'.
It's possible, however, that the Mane offer is a bluff to force negotiations for a different player.
Kind of like 'if you don't sell this mango to me for a fair price, I'll buy a mango at the other stall which all the scousers shop at'.
Me too. But does LvG think he's not quick enough ?
That would be a pity, since then Pereira, Januzaj, Mata, Fellaini and maybe even Herrera and to some extent Rooney are all competing for the #10 spot.
Pereira's a couple of seasons away from being ready. Januzaj is probably one season away. Both of them need to increase their upper body strength.
I for one would not mind if we can get him for 15m. Has the potential to take over Young's position for the future.
How would this work exactly? Most clubs want to keep their key players. It's not like clubs will say: 'Oh no! United are threatening to sign Mane instead of our key player! We'll accept a lower fee for one of our best players (who we don't want to sell) now.'
It's hardly like the mango scenario, because the person selling the mango wants to sell the mango. That's the purpose of the mango.
If that were the case, players would never get sold, ever.
Maybe we want to buy Berahino and bid £25m but West Brom think they have us over a barrel and ask for £35m because they realise we're desperate. They'd probably sell for £30m, but they know we have money and we're running out of time. Tell the world that we're after Mane as well and all of a sudden West Brom will stop being so bullish. They may not want to sell Berahino, but every player has a price. Showing that you're willing to walk away precipitates that price and encourages the selling party back to the negotiating table. If they want to get the £30m that would make a sale worthwhile, they'd have to act fast. A lot of teams need to make sales in order to balance the books.
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Perhaps to distract other teams by saying supposedly United wanted to sign Player A (e.g. Clyne) but in actual really discussed about Player B (e.g. Darmian) so there won't be too much attention heading towards Darmian by other teams.
Transfers don't work that way. It may be the impression that the public gets through the media, but behind the scenes, agents will be contacting clubs to try and get a bidding war.
We fans are just a bunch of spackers on the internet. We barely get a fraction of the big picture.
And, coming back to my example above, us negotiating for Mane won't stop Spurs negotiating for Berahino at the same time. Transfers aren't a turn based strategy game.
That is simply because there is only a limited pool players that both Chelsea and United will be going for.
It is not like either club are stealing bargain basement players that the other club has identified. They all star players that almost anyone with even a passing interest in football would know.
I don't see why players would never get sold.
But anyway, I see your point. I guess it depends on the club and the player. Some clubs would just say 'Great. Go and buy Mane then. We'd rather keep Berahino.' If anything, I think it would force the player's agent's hand more than the player's club's.
Because if the selling clubs never wants to sell, negotiations would never happen. They'd all just ask for a big fee from the outset and never budge.
Showing that you're willing to walk away is one of the oldest tricks in the book, when it comes to haggling.
Yes, it does depend on the club. We don't know if there is another club at this point, but since we're talking about a specific transfer saga we might infer that Woody has decided that the strategy could work this time round. It's certainly more plausible than the idea of smokescreen, imo.
Ballack in 06...Hazard in 2012
OK and I suppose Shaw and Schneiderlin were bad signings too? And Clyne won't be a good signing for Liverpool? If we took the attitude that players from teams below us in the league weren't good enough we'd never buy players. It's all about talent and Southampton have given Mane last chance to flourish in the league.
What about Rooney, Valencia, Smalling? And looking abroad are Sporting at our level? Or Torino?
For those saying he's a left winger... He can play anywhere across the front. I think to be honest that's what LVG likes about him. A lot of Southampton fans say he was best in the number 10 role and we know LVG likes quick players in that position. Imagine the interchanging between him, Memphis and Mata or Januzaj. He could also fill in for Rooney if needed.
I followed Mane quite closely during his time for RB Salzburg. He has been the best player in the Austrian league for most of the time. He formed a great attacking line with Kampl, Soriano and Alan.
He was also one of the main actors when RBS trashed Ajax and defeated Bayern 3:0 in a friendly. I was pretty obvious for everyone following Austrian football that he will leave rather sooner than later so it was not a big surprise that he went to Southampton.
It might have been a good move to go to a mid-table team in one of Europe`s top leagues before entering the main stage.
Kampl who directly joined one of the big guns (Dortmund) is spending most of the time now on the bench. He was not able to adapt as fast as Mane did.
It might sound like an underwhelming signing. Selling AdM and then going down the muppet pecking order Bale-Müller-Pedro-Mane does not sound very attractive but Mane and Memphis could become one of the very best pairing of wingers.
Bayern has also been linked to Mane 2 months ago before the went for Costa. And he was close to signing for Dortmund.
For something like 15 Mio pounds I would take the risk.
Just one thing: His behaviour when he forced his move to Southampton was really bad. He just did not turn up for the game against Mamö. I guess that was the reason for Dortmund to stop negotiations.
He was also one of the main actors when RBS trashed Ajax and defeated Bayern 3:0 in a friendly. I was pretty obvious for everyone following Austrian football that he will leave rather sooner than later so it was not a big surprise that he went to Southampton.
It might have been a good move to go to a mid-table team in one of Europe`s top leagues before entering the main stage.
Kampl who directly joined one of the big guns (Dortmund) is spending most of the time now on the bench. He was not able to adapt as fast as Mane did.
It might sound like an underwhelming signing. Selling AdM and then going down the muppet pecking order Bale-Müller-Pedro-Mane does not sound very attractive but Mane and Memphis could become one of the very best pairing of wingers.
Bayern has also been linked to Mane 2 months ago before the went for Costa. And he was close to signing for Dortmund.
For something like 15 Mio pounds I would take the risk.
Just one thing: His behaviour when he forced his move to Southampton was really bad. He just did not turn up for the game against Mamö. I guess that was the reason for Dortmund to stop negotiations.
sorry about my misbehaviour I was quite drunk, anyway don't think there is any need to make such fuss and 28 pages about rumour which seems quite bullshit.
My opinion is, let Mane paly one more year , let him show if he can be a world beater or just good fit for us, till that tim I think we've got Pereira and Januzaj who are not far away from him. If want s1, it whould be world beater not potentially great player even mane looks just good to me now..
Ive watched Mane a fair bit and although he is productive and a good player at Saints. He has a license to roam, and is not similar to Young at all. Defensively he doesnt work back as much and going forward Saints often play him as a 10 and he pops up wide right wide left through the middle.
I think he's good but he'd be nothing more than a squad player for us, who I dont think would make it and would be sold in the future. This isn't what we're looking for in our squad at all.
I hope it gets better
We are possibly choosing Mane over Pedro. Pedro is a multi Champions League winner with Barcelona, a World Cup winner with Spain. He is a top quality player and the type of player we should be buying. Mane is no doubt a good player but he does not stand out at Southampton the way Shaw & Schneiderlin did. We should be buying players that can help us challenge for trophies.
But what's to say Pedro will be a success in England? We all thought ADM would be.
Something united used to do so well under fergie was take young players from the premier league with bags of potential and make them stars. Mane has that star dust ability about him if we can get him to be more consistent.
If the manager sees him serving a specific tactical function then fair enough. However I think we're fully stocked with players who may step up and now need someone of low risk, LvG seems to have expressed that sentiment as well.
I'd just be worried as he's only shown it for a year as per Kane and he'd be another player we'd find difficult to get rid of as he'd cost a fair bit and come in on higher wages than others will pay.
I'd just be worried as he's only shown it for a year as per Kane and he'd be another player we'd find difficult to get rid of as he'd cost a fair bit and come in on higher wages than others will pay.
Interesting, thanks for the info.
I respect your opinion but disagree. I don't think he's that good. He seems to have become that good in the last 24 hours. If we sign him and he gets good I'll be happy. I'm not sure that he will and I think Southampton will rape us on the price.
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