Ryan Sessegnon

MyOnlySolskjaer said:
But Gareth Bale would.
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Sessegnon is playing in the second tier of football mate, watching him right now there is absolutely no way he'd currently be able to recreate those stats in the Premier League. Just watch him ffs, right now he doesn't have that "something special" like a Sane, Giggs, hell even Sterling at that age.

That said, his future is unknown and even if he if does struggle at LW in the Prem, I can really imagine him developing into a cracking full back.

My issue right now is posters claiming he's this or that based on some goalscoring stats in the second tier of football.
 
van Nistelrooy said:
Despite taking his goals well, I can't help but think that the video is quite underwhelming.

His simple passes and distribution of the ball looked really iffy.
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Pretty much why he would be poor as a LB. He needs to be allowed to make those mistakes much higher up the pitch
 
van Nistelrooy said:
Despite taking his goals well, I can't help but think that the video is quite underwhelming.

His simple passes and distribution of the ball looked really iffy.
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Its the Ronaldo effect, 'yeah he scored a hat trick but he was a bit rubbish'

I do have reservations about him because the criticisms are rooted in some truth, he isn't as technically and/or physically gifted as Sancho, Hudson Odoi, Mount, Foden or even Reiss Nelson and I would take all those players except for Nelson over him. The question is if he can keep on scoring and being effective as he steps up, if so then he will be a very useful player. He can also get a lot better at football in all aspects in the next four or five years too, it does happen with 17 year old kids.
 
He probably can be a great left back. Will need the right guidance/manager to do it though. Ideally he'll need to play in a pretty dominant attacking team who gives him a long leash to make mistakes (maybe one of the top Championship clubs?).

At the wrong club he'll keep on getting hooked (especially at a club fighting relegation) or get moved to LW. More likely if he's out there on loan because the leash is a lot shorter if a club doesn't have any invested interest in a players development. A lot more likely he'll end up as a LW
 
Regulus Arcturus Black said:
Sessegnon is playing in the second tier of football mate, watching him right now there is absolutely no way he'd currently be able to recreate those stats in the Premier League. Just watch him ffs, right now he doesn't have that "something special" like a Sane, Giggs, hell even Sterling at that age.

That said, his future is unknown and even if he if does struggle at LW in the Prem, I can really imagine him developing into a cracking full back.

My issue right now is posters claiming he's this or that based on some goalscoring stats in the second tier of football.
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It's as if you think Dani Alves, Evra, Carlos, Marcelo and all those you mentioned were born in the Premier League and La Liga. Evra started off in Serie C ffs and wasn't scoring for shit when he was 17 and a lot of the others in the Brazillian league doing feck all scoring wise at that age. If you can't accept he has goal scoring capabilities then there's no point in us continuing this argument.
 
MyOnlySolskjaer said:
It's as if you think Dani Alves, Evra, Carlos, Marcelo and all those you mentioned were born in the Premier League and La Liga. Evra started off in Serie C ffs and wasn't scoring for shit. If you can't accept he has goal scoring capabilities then there's no point in us continuing this argument.
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I'm simply saying he's a 17 year kid and his best position isn't set in stone as yet. Same as Bale at that age, same as Evra, same as Ashley Cole.

He could develop into a top left winger, or a top full back. It's you @MyOnlySolskjaer that claims it's so matter of fact that a 17 year, who was massively highly rated even when playing at LB, will be wasted if played there.

Aside from Evra and Cole, here's another perfect example for you:

Marcelo:
Under the next head coach Manuel Pellegrini, Marcelo consistently featured in the starting XI for his versatility and pace along the left flank in offensive and defensive roles. He continued to be employed as a left-winger under Pellegrini, and reached the top of the assist charts of La Liga in the 2009–10 season. He admitted in a press conference at the end of 2009, "I now feel better playing as a winger."

In the 2010–11 season under new coach José Mourinho, Marcelo was back in his natural position of left back. He started all league games, paying back the coach's confidence in him with defensive steel and attacking intent and gained the coach's admiration.
 
Regulus Arcturus Black said:
I'm simply saying he's a 17 year kid and his best position isn't set in stone as yet. Same as Bale at that age, same as Evra, same as Ashley Cole.

He could develop into a top left winger, or a top full back. It's you @MyOnlySolskjaer that claims it's so matter of fact that a 17 year, who was massively highly rated even when playing at LB, will be wasted if played there.

Aside from Evra and Cole, here's another perfect example for you:

Marcelo:
Under the next head coach Manuel Pellegrini, Marcelo consistently featured in the starting XI for his versatility and pace along the left flank in offensive and defensive roles. He continued to be employed as a left-winger under Pellegrini, and reached the top of the assist charts of La Liga in the 2009–10 season. He admitted in a press conference at the end of 2009, "I now feel better playing as a winger."

In the 2010–11 season under new coach José Mourinho, Marcelo was back in his natural position of left back. He started all league games, paying back the coach's confidence in him with defensive steel and attacking intent and gained the coach's admiration.
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I think there are similarities between Sessegnon and Marcelo in that sense. I don't think Sessegnon is quite going to cut it in the top level as a winger, but he could make a cracking LB.
 
MyOnlySolskjaer said:
It's as if you think Dani Alves, Evra, Carlos, Marcelo and all those you mentioned were born in the Premier League and La Liga. Evra started off in Serie C ffs and wasn't scoring for shit when he was 17 and a lot of the others in the Brazillian league doing feck all scoring wise at that age. If you can't accept he has goal scoring capabilities then there's no point in us continuing this argument.
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Do you think it's random which young players who breakthrough go on to massively improve and become world class players and those who don't?

For example, Lukaku was scoring lots of goals at 16 and 17. He came to the Prem and at 19 played for WBA and scored 17 goals which equated to a goal every 117 mins. Many were talking about him as the next great player after Messi and Ronaldo. Yet 5 years later, he has never beaten his goal scoring form at WBA. When he was a youngster he showed he was a good footballer, who knew how to use his size, pace and strength. But there was absolutely no reason to believe he was capable of scoring loads of long range efforts, or making mazey runs, having the touch of Berbatov or the vision and passing or Riquelme. So is it really surprising that he's still scoring at the same rate and is still just below that top tier of players? With hindsight why would anyone watch a young Lukaku and think he was going to develop greatly and become a world beater? Isn't it fair to say the tools just weren't there? He is what he is, which is a very good striker, but he wasn't far from that at 18.

A very similar argument can be made for Michael Owen. Broke through really young, knew how to use his pace and was a great finisher. But the truth is, he scored 18 goals in his break through season and by the end of his career the most he'd scored was 19 in a season. But when you look back at Owens game, what was there to suggest he'd ever get much better? He was using the assets he had really well, but was there any evidence he had lots more ability in his locker and would turn into the world beater everyone was predicting? I think only a rubbish scout would think that.

One final example (and there are loads) is Theo Walcott. Again there was a massive storm about him and he was seen as the next wonder kid. He went to the WC before playing a single game and was signed by Arsenal back when people thought Wenger was a good talent spotter. He was super fast and had a decent strike, but once again, I'll ask was there anything in his game that suggested he had some special talent and could develop beyond a really fast player with a decent strike?

Now contrast those types with the likes of Rooney and Ronaldo and ask yourself if it is really random? Because if you look at these videos I think it's pretty damn clear that those two had incredible technical ability, that given the right coaching, management and time could be developed into something special.





Ability wise they are so far ahead of the likes of Lukaku, Owen and Walcott. They are in a different universe to Embolo (who 3 years ago was the Sessegnon of today) or Jack Rodwell.

Given there are no attacking players at really top clubs that don't have at least one, but usually several, things that make them brilliant, surely that means Sessegnon needs to significantly develop. But there are also no examples of players in their late teens suddenly becoming technically brilliant. The point I'm making it's not random which players go on to the great heights and which ones don't develop that much more. Yet every single time a young player breaks through, fans, people in the game and the media act as if it is. People react as if they've never seen a 16, 17 or 18 year old break through and make a real impact at senior level before, when in reality we've seen it loads of times and by now should be massively more aware of which one's are have the potential to massively improve and which will progress less.

It really shouldn't be difficult to tell if a player is potentially brilliant or not. You don't need to be a pro scout or anything, just an ordinary person who watches top level football and see's the extraordinary qualities needed to succeed at the very highest level. To be an attacking player in a team challenging for Premier League and CL glory, you need to have great ability. Sessegnon is a very good young player, but I think we've all seen enough of him to realise he's not some special talent. Who knows what he can be as a LB, but as a LW, he can have a good Prem career, but anyone who thinks he's going to suddenly develop the attributes that separate the very best attacking players from the rest, is just ignoring everything they've witnessed in the years they've been following the sport. The fact Sessegnon is 17 and has scored lots of goals in the Championship doesn't change the fact that when people actually watch him play it's striking how unimpressive his game is in terms of technical skills and that he doesn't have insane pace or anything. If players don't develop those skills (and they don't) and players without them fail to make it at the biggest clubs, then why should we want to sign Sessegnon as a LW?

I want to make it clear I'm not saying he isn't a great talent or can't go onto have good career at a decent club and play for England. But this is a league in which the champions have the like of De Bruyne, Silva, Sane and Sterling as their attacking mids. That's simply the standard needed. Sure Sessegnon could score similar amounts of goals to someone like Jay Rodriquez did before his injury at Southampton. That's a lot of goals, but that level of player doesn't help you win Prem or CL titles.
 
redmeister said:
Do you think it's random which young players who breakthrough go on to massively improve and become world class players and those who don't?

For example, Lukaku was scoring lots of goals at 16 and 17. He came to the Prem and at 19 played for WBA and scored 17 goals which equated to a goal every 117 mins. Many were talking about him as the next great player after Messi and Ronaldo. Yet 5 years later, he has never beaten his goal scoring form at WBA. When he was a youngster he showed he was a good footballer, who knew how to use his size, pace and strength. But there was absolutely no reason to believe he was capable of scoring loads of long range efforts, or making mazey runs, having the touch of Berbatov or the vision and passing or Riquelme. So is it really surprising that he's still scoring at the same rate and is still just below that top tier of players? With hindsight why would anyone watch a young Lukaku and think he was going to develop greatly and become a world beater? Isn't it fair to say the tools just weren't there? He is what he is, which is a very good striker, but he wasn't far from that at 18.

A very similar argument can be made for Michael Owen. Broke through really young, knew how to use his pace and was a great finisher. But the truth is, he scored 18 goals in his break through season and by the end of his career the most he'd scored was 19 in a season. But when you look back at Owens game, what was there to suggest he'd ever get much better? He was using the assets he had really well, but was there any evidence he had lots more ability in his locker and would turn into the world beater everyone was predicting? I think only a rubbish scout would think that.

One final example (and there are loads) is Theo Walcott. Again there was a massive storm about him and he was seen as the next wonder kid. He went to the WC before playing a single game and was signed by Arsenal back when people thought Wenger was a good talent spotter. He was super fast and had a decent strike, but once again, I'll ask was there anything in his game that suggested he had some special talent and could develop beyond a really fast player with a decent strike?

Now contrast those types with the likes of Rooney and Ronaldo and ask yourself if it is really random? Because if you look at these videos I think it's pretty damn clear that those two had incredible technical ability, that given the right coaching, management and time could be developed into something special.





Ability wise they are so far ahead of the likes of Lukaku, Owen and Walcott. They are in a different universe to Embolo (who 3 years ago was the Sessegnon of today) or Jack Rodwell.

Given there are no attacking players at really top clubs that don't have at least one, but usually several, things that make them brilliant, surely that means Sessegnon needs to significantly develop. But there are also no examples of players in their late teens suddenly becoming technically brilliant. The point I'm making it's not random which players go on to the great heights and which ones don't develop that much more. Yet every single time a young player breaks through, fans, people in the game and the media act as if it is. People react as if they've never seen a 16, 17 or 18 year old break through and make a real impact at senior level before, when in reality we've seen it loads of times and by now should be massively more aware of which one's are have the potential to massively improve and which will progress less.

It really shouldn't be difficult to tell if a player is potentially brilliant or not. You don't need to be a pro scout or anything, just an ordinary person who watches top level football and see's the extraordinary qualities needed to succeed at the very highest level. To be an attacking player in a team challenging for Premier League and CL glory, you need to have great ability. Sessegnon is a very good young player, but I think we've all seen enough of him to realise he's not some special talent. Who knows what he can be as a LB, but as a LW, he can have a good Prem career, but anyone who thinks he's going to suddenly develop the attributes that separate the very best attacking players from the rest, is just ignoring everything they've witnessed in the years they've been following the sport. The fact Sessegnon is 17 and has scored lots of goals in the Championship doesn't change the fact that when people actually watch him play it's striking how unimpressive his game is in terms of technical skills and that he doesn't have insane pace or anything. If players don't develop those skills (and they don't) and players without them fail to make it at the biggest clubs, then why should we want to sign Sessegnon as a LW?

I want to make it clear I'm not saying he isn't a great talent or can't go onto have good career at a decent club and play for England. But this is a league in which the champions have the like of De Bruyne, Silva, Sane and Sterling as their attacking mids. That's simply the standard needed. Sure Sessegnon could score similar amounts of goals to someone like Jay Rodriquez did before his injury at Southampton. That's a lot of goals, but that level of player doesn't help you win Prem or CL titles.
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Wow, has to be the longest post I've seen here
 
He’s been nailed on for Spurs all season. The most Spurs signing ever.
 
He gets to stay in London. No real pressure on him as they never win anything anyway and gets to look a decent player playing with an attack minded outfit....If I was him I would probably have done same thing
 
Easy choosing between Spurs and current United. It is not a contest. I wouldnt go to United In his position
 
izec said:
Easy choosing between Spurs and current United. It is not a contest. I wouldnt go to United In his position
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Really? Play for a team full of serial chokers or a team below par but capable of reaching finals and winning trophies... Unless, you mean something else. If anything, Spurs seem to have peaked.
 
If we have finally given up on Luke Shaw to take first spot place in this team then we should chuck him and sell him to spurs and get Ryan and loan him for his development.

His football style is much like Ashley cole in my opinion and would suit Mourinho's tactics.
 
Di Maria's angel said:
Really? Play for a team full of serial chokers or a team below par but capable of reaching finals and winning trophies... Unless, you mean something else. If anything, Spurs seem to have peaked.
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Would he get to play and develop with United tho. Personally if I’m a young player in his position, for my career if I’m choosing between the two then i’d take my chances at Spurs over United. Personally i’d Be treating it as a stepping stone to something else eventually, but realisticly he has more chances of featuring at Spurs I would say.
 
Andersons Dietician said:
Would he get to play and develop with United tho. Personally if I’m a young player in his position, for my career if I’m choosing between the two then i’d take my chances at Spurs over United. Personally i’d Be treating it as a stepping stone to something else eventually, but realisticly he has more chances of featuring at Spurs I would say.
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Given our predicament at left back, he has every chance of making it here. Although, I read that he wants to remain in London to stay with his family so that'll be the biggest factor in his decision.
 
Di Maria's angel said:
Really? Play for a team full of serial chokers or a team below par but capable of reaching finals and winning trophies... Unless, you mean something else. If anything, Spurs seem to have peaked.
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It is all about playing time and finding his position. Lack of trophies will be an issue in a few years, for now i would imagine he wants to establish himself in the league and at the national team. I dont think he thinks about which club offers more silverware now, but which club wants me more and where can i succeed better individually.

I dont see Sessegnon under Jose getting a lot of playing time, because he lacks top level experience and his defensive abilities at LB are still questionable. Scoring some goals here and there is nice, but there is more to the position than attacking threat. At LW we got Rashford and Martial, he has no chance against either of them. Jose would always prefer Rashfords directness and energy. I dont think he would be happy with being a rotational player here.

Then you got the fact that we have much more pressure here, and Jose has much more pressure to win big trophies. To top it all off, he would probably prefer London. I also suspect our priority is Sandro, while Spurs may surround and put more effort in convincing Sessegnon to join them. Looking at the whole package, i dont see many arguments to join United. What counts for Alexis Sanchez, doesnt necessarily apply to someone like Sessegnon at this stage of his career. Sours dont offer him as many trophies and money, but less risk and more playing time.
 
Di Maria's angel said:
Given our predicament at left back, he has every chance of making it here. Although, I read that he wants to remain in London to stay with his family so that'll be the biggest factor in his decision.
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He’s not better than any LB we currently have tho so he would be unlikely to be any upgrade. He is what he is a decent talent that needs games and guidance and someone who is going to give him the chance and opertunities along with accepting that occasionally mistakes are going to happen. Does that sound like something United would offer him currently?
 
izec said:
I dont see Sessegnon under Jose getting a lot of playing time, because he lacks top level experience and his defensive abilities at LB are still questionable. Scoring some goals here and there is nice, but there is more to the position than attacking threat. At LW we got Rashford and Martial, he has no chance against either of them. Jose would always prefer Rashfords directness and energy. I dont think he would be happy with being a rotational player here.
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At leftback he would definitely get a chance to claim first choice. He would surely be the preferred option. That's not to say Jose wouldn't end up favouring Young ahead of him if he doesn't perform, but he'd definitely get the opportunity.

If he sees himself as a left winger/attacker then he certainly wouldn't come here.
 
If we signed him surely it wouldn't be as a starter ? Guys we're Manchester United not Ajax what other big club would sign a 17yo that's had a great season in the second division and play him in the first XI ? Also he hasn't played at left back all season and in the biggest most important high pressure game in his career against Birmingham he was very poor imagine the pressure playing for United.
 
Poch can work with young players really well, so it makes sense for him to come and enjoy some attacking football as well, he'd get maybe more money at us and uncertain future and boring system..
 
Why would a 17 year old sign with us now? Especially one getting regular football?

At best he gets a loan. At worst he plays 15 matches at reserve level, and sits while 33 yr old Ashley Young starts for reliability. Plays a few cup games against lower league opposition.

Has Jose ever signed then developped a very young player he didn't inherit?
 
Judas said:
Christ the negativity on here, people thinking he'd be better off at Spurs, this place really is slipping into a depressive state.
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Slipping? It's there man, has been for months. Victories versus City, Liverpool, Chelsea, Arsenal, Spurs or even a Cup final haven't been able to hold back the tidal wave.

But aye, he should go to Spurs, who have had yet another "meh" season, are miles behind us still might even manage to produce the most Spurs-eque bottle job of all later this week. That's not a bad place for a young lad, feck all pressure to win anything.
 
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I'm pretty sure the reports started in France.
 
Beachryan said:
Why would a 17 year old sign with us now? Especially one getting regular football?

At best he gets a loan. At worst he plays 15 matches at reserve level, and sits while 33 yr old Ashley Young starts for reliability. Plays a few cup games against lower league opposition.

Has Jose ever signed then developped a very young player he didn't inherit?
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Varane ?
 
Would you rather splash 30 mil for a 17 years old or 60 mil for a ready made first team member? I want us to sign Sessegnon but with our current predicament on LB position it would be wiser if we pick the latter option.

Beachryan said:
Why would a 17 year old sign with us now? Especially one getting regular football?

At best he gets a loan. At worst he plays 15 matches at reserve level, and sits while 33 yr old Ashley Young starts for reliability. Plays a few cup games against lower league opposition.

Has Jose ever signed then developped a very young player he didn't inherit?
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Ludicrous. by this logic you think that Luke Shaw has been better than Youngy this season or season before?
 
Watch the inevitable happen.

  • Signs for Spurs for a relatively cheap fee
  • Has a outstanding few years
  • United want to sign him for a ludicrious fee after he was available cheaper just a few years ago
 
Judas said:
Christ the negativity on here, people thinking he'd be better off at Spurs, this place really is slipping into a depressive state.
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Not really negative, just realistic. A 17 year old left sided player would see a young left back and 2 young left sided forwards already struggling for games and wonder whether it would be wisest place to move to at present. Even of martial is moved on he would need to get past Rashford just to get sub appearances.
 
He'd be a great addition to the squad, but it's like destiny has other plans for him. Screams 'Tottenham Hotspur signing'.
 
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